[Closed] Garmin Edge 520 vs Wahoo Element Bolt

I'd go for the Wahoo every time.
I had a 520 and it was rubbish, kept freezing up and would never upload rides. I sold it and got the 820 which was just as bad but with a rubbish touch screen. I decided to get the Elemnt Bolt but was also unsure about the mounts. The difference with the Wahoo is night and day. It works exactly like it's meant to, the routes work well, the mapping is good, it's easy to upload new routes to it from Strava or Ridewithgps.
It basically does everything it's supposed to without all the troubles of the Garmin.

With regards the mounts you can use the basic Garmin stem mounts by turning them 90 degrees and trimming a tiny piece of plastic off the mount. I've had no issues after doing that.

I’m really impressed with my wahoo so easy to use

I haven't had a Garmin to compare to, but my Wahoo Elemnt Bolt has been very easy to use. Simple to set up, easily customisable display, and seamless synchronisation with RideWithGPS and Strava. Battery life us as advertised. My only slight complaint is that it takes a while to turn on, but that's a minor issue.

I am considering the same 2 options as you OP as i want to replace my edge 25. Having read everything possible to arm myself with the best info i have decided its the wahoo by a long way. Not having to deal with garmin updates/software is a massive tick for me plus battery life on Garmins seems to be nothing like advertised,case closed.

Edit: different mounts is not really an issue as it involves 1 screw and there are plenty of cheap mounts available.

+1 for Elemnt Bolt.Previously had a Garmin Edge. Wahoo is easy to use, simple to upload GPX files to, has decent battery life, can view data on phone and mapping works fine on roads.

I have an Edge 500 and have been longing for the time when some companies come along to offer decent competition to Garmin.

The hardware side of my Garmin seems fine, but the software is just cak. I never really trust that it will get me where I am going when using it for navigation.

I won't be buying another Garmin, unless there is literally no other option.

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I’ve got an Element Bolt and it just works.

I’ve just ordered a new out front mount and sensors so I can use it on the “gravel” bike as well as the roadie.

Yep, another Bolt convert here. The usability wipes the floor with all my previous Garmins - numerous 500 and 510's. Changing the settings via the app, not the bloody infuriating menu system is a Godsend.

Had an 810 for about 5 years until I left it in an airport, worked well for me, had the occasional hang/crash at times but that was maybe once a year. Worked well with bluetooth and the garmin watch it was paired with for HR.

Replaced it with the 520 as having the extra sensors and mounts made sense, it's been good, miss the touch screen a bit as having to use the buttons is a bit slow sometimes but it's been solid and reliable, paired with my phone on day 1 and uploads straight to strave, have the screens configured as I like them. Only thing I've not spent time working out is map zoom as it was always nice to be able to zoom up and down fast on the 810 when you were in the trees etc.

So no reali issues here and does what it says on the box.

Converted to a bolt from a 510.

The wahoo wipes the floor with garmin offerings imo.

I've had both.

Wahoo is head and shoulders above. The phone app makes it super easy to use.

No contest at all

Slight hijack, but any of you Wahoo owners use it for off road navigation?
Cheers.

@madedgar - I have. Where the route or trail is clearly defined or obvious e.g. SDW it's OK to follow, but where you're looking for a new trail that's not immediately obvious, e.g. navigating to a new strava segment it's not ideal due to GPS accuracy and scale IMO, but I haven't got anything to compare it against.

We've just (yesterday) had our first delivery of Wahoo through, very very impressed. Gone for an Element myself, the setup was a complete piece of piss, excellent. Had a 510 before that, which was ok - but I'd not go further than that!

I'm after a new garmin after my 500 died, was going to buy a 520 but think I'll now go for the element.

Whats the difference between the element and element bolt?

Another happy wahoo convert here. I used it off-road on the BB200 and on some rides more local to me (in suffolk). Generally it's fine as long as you have a route you want to stick to.

It's not great for "having a look around" as while zooming out is possible, detail is lost and you can't pan about.

It's comes with maps of everywhere and (in the UK and France at least) that includes off road ROW.

Creating and syncing routes with Ridewithgps is a doddle.

Three final things that the Wahoo does better than Garmin, 1. when you pause/stop a ride none of the options are the fatal "discard ride" option.

2. On the one occasion I've managed to run it flat, I plugged in a battery pack and it booted up said "recovering ride" went from 0 to 100% and carried on if nothing happened.

3. My 810 would start shutting itself down when on charge and it reached 100%. The wahoo just keeps on trucking.

The two Wahoos are essentially the same but the Bolt is smaller, more aero and only has one row of leds.

The leds are ace. I have the vert ones give me a colour based HR reading (frees up a data panel on the map) and the horizontal ones flash left or right for turns and red/green for on/off route.

scott_mcavennie2 - Member
Converted to a bolt from a 510.

The wahoo wipes the floor with garmin offerings imo.

Same here. Grew tired of Garmin issues and failures. Went from 510 (my last ever Garmin!) to a Bolt.

Thanks johnnystorm. I thought with the £50 price differences there would be functional differences.

So Bolt is 520 sized ish and element 810ish?

A more cautious opinion of the Wahoo:
https://mashing53.cyclyc.com/wahoo-navigation-nailed-or-failed/

If you use the little Edge mounts that fit with O-rings you don't need new mounts. Turn them 90deg and cut about 1mm off each tab with a knife. 30 seconds and you have mounts that work with both devices.

But they don't fit out front mounts?

Really good direct comparison here:

http://www.bikeradar.com/road/gear/article/garmin-edge-520-vs-wahoo-elemnt-bolt-49381/

I like my 820 but would be very tempted to go for the Wahoo.

The comments about the Garmin screen in the review above are fair, it can be a bit rubbish in daylight. And the touch screen, well I sometimes wish it had the same buttons as the 520 and the touchscreen was more of an optional thing that could be disabled. One thing I would miss though is integration with other Garmin devices. Vector pedals, ok I don't use the specific view but it's nice to know it's there. The remote button, really useful for switching between stats, summary and map views without getting out of the drops (though if the touch screen worked better maybe it'd be less of an issue.) And I really like the Varia rear radar and the way it's integrated into the Garmin display.

Oh the photo on that other review up there reminded me ^^. Who's stupid idea was it to mount buttons at the bottom of the Garmin? Mount it on one of Garmin's own out front mounts and you have to squeeze your finger between the stem face plate and the Garmin to press it 😡

But they don't fit out front mounts?

Not unless you can take the actual mount part out, cut the tabs and refit it at 90deg. I don't use out-fronts so I don't know if any allow that, but I suspect most don't.

Not unless you can take the actual mount part out,

With the Garmin mounts the insert is usually removable and can be taken out and rotated through 90 degrees. Not sure about cutting the tabs though.

Tried the Bolt and it is good and the maps are great for road riding, I didn't really like the LED's, but thats not a problem. When you realise your friends use the LED's connected to show their power output its quite fun to watch how hard they are pushing whilst pretending not to be, although quite demoralising if they're not trying hard and you are to keep up with themm.

Had no issues with my 520 though and for the most part using OSM maps works much better for off road navigation. If you ride around the same places a lot then its great, I've got the whole of the South East Region and London on mine. If you go to new places you have to download the maps in advance which is a bit of a faff, but the mapping is great for most of Europe.

Hopefully Garmin will up their software game or they won't have many people buying new units, but I wouldn't bet on it.

Am I the only person who preferred the Garmin ? 😆
I tried both, went with the 520.
You can customise the screen on the 520 with various downloadable Apps and screens.
The Openstreet mapping us pretty good (better than the bog standard Garmin).

I'd still get the 520 😮

Gary_M - Member
But they don't fit out front mounts?

Mine does.. mounts on my Enve Stem

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Went from an Edge 500 to a Bolt. Feels like I've joined the 21st century, so much easier to download and upload routes

Mine does.. mounts on my Enve Stem

Sorry I meant garmin mounts.

Just bought the Bolt.

Thanks for all the replies! Looks like I'll be going for the Bolt.

One last question. There's a package deal for the Bolt with cadence and speed sensors and hr monitor. But what is the speed sensor for with a GPS computer?

I have owned both and my view us that the Bolt is so much better. The firmware on Garmin's is shocking having owned several over the years. The Bolt has been perfect over several months almost daily use. I can see me ever buying a Garmin product again now there is a viable alternative 🙂

Using on a turbo trainer possibly?

I bought mine on chain reaction using my December British Cycling 10% off code.

If you want my January one then PM me.

But what is the speed sensor for with a GPS computer?

It tends to be just a bit more accurate and responsive than GPS speed.

I moved from a 510 to a Bolt and have no problems. It can be quite boring in that it just works, updates don’t break things, it doesn’t slow down over time etc.

My only gripe is the number of data fields shown on the screen, where it goes from 4 to 7, so when your on 4, there is a gap on the screen where the 5th field could go, or you have to put 7 fields on screen.

So the elemnt bolt I bought was delivered yesterday. Had a play about with it last night and it's bloody brilliant. The ability to set up pages using the app is a massive improvement on a garmin.

I have an issue with the 60 strava premium offer though as after going through the process I've been charged for a years membership. I've emailed strava support and I'm waiting on a response.

Gary thanks for the update, deffo going to buy the wahoo now if i can find one in a sale as its a bit spendy for me at the minute. Going to sell my garmin to help fund it.

Anyone got any updated experiences of these?

i am heading towards the 520 I think as I don’t seem to have problems with the garmin and I can get a 520 with hrm and cadence sensor for the same price as the bolt.

I must have had my Bolt for almost a year now and it's never missed a beat. I've never had a Garmin that's managed that!

Even if the Bolt was dearer than the Garmin, I'd still go for it I've the Garmin any day.

I love my ELEMNT. I went for the big one because it is supposed to be more durable, I wanted the extra LEDs, and the bigger screen. I sold a 520 to get it. BOLT can take a leash, ELEMNT needs a hack (take off the charger cover, loop leash around screw, and put back on.

What it does better:

- linking directly to 3rd parties like ridewithgps

- strava live segments (tracks multiple simultaneously, switch between, and chase your own PR rather than follower)

- better screen

- better navigation

- LEDs are a nice touch for navigation and HR

On mounts, if your mount has a rotatable insert, then it'll fit. Wahoo is 90 degrees to Garmin. Also worth noting it comes with an out front in the box (which I use on my road bike). I use a top cap mount for my stem on the MTB.

I've got the Elemnt, I think it's superb. I was going for the Bolt but got a great deal on the Elemnt on eBay.

Navigation is great, route planning is a doddle on RideWithGPS. Only minor gripe I have is that the warning beeps are fairly quiet, but that's no way a biggie. They're apparently louder on the Bolt.

And +1 for zerolight's comment about mounts.

whats the hack for a tether? I kinda refuse to pay 14 quid for a piece of pissing string, though I know ill regret it if I dont!

it does piss on the garmins, touchscreen is useless on the latest garmins, was fine on the older ones....only slight gripe I could say If Im nitpicking is lack of colour screen, but that's about it, navigation is way way way better, its much clearer to follow a preloaded route

I feel slightly in a different world here, I get on really well with my Garmin 520.

RideWithGPS Connect IQ app makes it really easy to transfer routes onto the 520, i can also do the same with workouts from Traning Peaks using their Connect IQ app.  On road navigation is great (using RideWithGPS courses, Garmin Connect courses are crap)

Transfers between 4 different bikes with different sensors without a problem. Uploads rides to Garmin Connect flawlessly (and then onto Strava and Training Peaks).  Battery life really good, and no issues with resuming routes when I stop - even if the device has powered off.

after increasing levels of frustration with my 510 (performance OK, i just can't read the navigation screens because I'm old) I've pressed buy on a Bolt.

So now I'll hopefully be following LED's instead. Can you have it set up to use the LED's for eg: HR monitoring but then they switch to navigation as well when needed?

I have an Edge 500 and have been longing for the time when some companies come along to offer decent competition to Garmin.

The 500 I think is one of the better ones. Heard all kinds of negative reviews on the newer models, from battery life to rain drops setting off the touch screens... Despite some minor quirks it does everything I want, and mostly of all, in over 5 years, it's been completely reliable and never once died on me.

I'm tempted by Wahoo, as the Garmin software is a bit clunky, but I'd be interested to know how they stand up to real world conditions in all weathers over a period of years? For me, a GPS needs to be dependable before anything else.

Not a 520, but I've had a 1000 for a few years and was pondering the updated version of it until last night when it very nearly ate one of my rides - obviously, one that I really cared about as I was pushing the pace and wanted to see how fast I'd gone. The ride showed the track, but had zero distances in the summary. It wouldn't sync and nor would Garmin Connect accept the fit file manually. In the end, Strava accepted the upload manually and whatever was wrong didn't seem to bother them as much as Garmin's own software. First time this has happened to me in a few years of ownership, but it's made me think about alternatives.

One of the things I use quite often is pre-planned trail following, especially away from roads. How do people find this on the Element / Bolt's monochrome screen? Personally, I've never been that impressed with the Garmin's screen, so am starting from a position of neutrality here...

@butcher - Yes you can.  When navigating the LED's signal when a turning is coming up, or you're off course etc.  In between those the LEDS will display other things such as Power / HR / Speed

Can you have it set up to use the LED’s for eg: HR monitoring but then they switch to navigation as well when needed?

this is what I do. The LEDs automatically go for navigation at turns if you're following a route. Can be a pain on a steep hill coming up to a junction when your heartrate suddenly disappears off the elemnt. You think you're dead.

how they stand up to real world conditions in all weathers over a period of years?

I've had my elemnt 18 months now. Used it in all weathers - heavy rain, continual incessant drizzle (for 5 hours), snow, -5c temps. Three hour night cycles. Off road, on road. It's never had an issue. And will still have uploaded to strava by the time I've walked up the drive. It's been excellent.

How do people find this on the Element / Bolt’s monochrome screen?

Fine for me. Just means you can see it in bright sunlight (unlike my BiL's 520 last Sunday). And if backlit, you can see it in darkness.

The route following is very good, to the extent I've carried it when walking in the lakes. Coupled with a suunto watch (with route), you know you'll never come off the path.

OK, I'm definitely tempted then. Do they do dynamic routing? e.g. "take me from A to B, without taking me down too many motorways"

I have a Garmin Edge 25 that I use on my commuter, but I haven't been able to record rides for a few days due to the thing not picking up signal.

As an alternative, I bought a Wahoo Element Bolt that I use on my road bike, and... Flippin' heck, it's amazing.

I am a guy who has zero patience with technology, and find that there is almost nothing I need to do with the Wahoo. As a few have said, above, it just does what it says it will do, with no fuss and bother.

I have made routes on both ridewithgps and strava, and both transfer over immediately. Honestly, it is the best addition I have made to my cycling life.

Do they do dynamic routing? e.g. “take me from A to B, without taking me down too many motorways”

No, there's no routing on the device. For turn directions it relies on cue points having been included in the file you download. The mapping is essentially just a visual background to the route. If you want to route on the fly, you need to use your phone. That relies on having a data signal and on having an app that does what you want: the Wahoo app has extremely basic routing; Komoot was ok when I tested it but having recently tried using it again for walking I'm finding it a dog to use, I think it's changed.

My opinion of the Wahoo in a nutshell is that it's mostly brilliant, but while many people will find its navigation abilities perfectly adequate, some aspects of those abilities suck. Chief of these is that if you need to go off-course (which I find is often) the Wahoo is really unhelpful. See my review linked on page 1 for more detail.

The navigation is better than it was, but as mentioned it needs a phone.

A brewpub? A burger? An epic destination? Where ever you want to go, ELEMNT can take you there! Just open the ELEMNT companion app at any point in your ride and start typing either the address or name of your destination. The companion app will then generate a cycling optimized route and send it to your ELEMNT, complete with turn-by-turn pop ups. Put your phone away and ride! Now ELEMNT can literally take you anywhere!

whats the hack for a tether? I kinda refuse to pay 14 quid for a piece of pissing string, though I know ill regret it if I dont!

You still need the bit of string. I had a spare from my Garmin, but ebay probably has them for buttons. You take the battery cover off (there's a wee screw. Loop the tether around the screw, behind the rubber cover, and screw back down. I've lost computers before (under a moving car tyre) due to no tether. The ELEMNT needs this bodge, the BOLT has one already.

My opinion of the Wahoo in a nutshell is that it’s mostly brilliant, but while many people will find its navigation abilities perfectly adequate, some aspects of those abilities suck. Chief of these is that if you need to go off-course (which I find is often) the Wahoo is really unhelpful. See my review linked on page 1 for more detail.

Agreed. Though in fairness, the similarly priced 520 is even poorer. The higher end Garmins are better in that regard, just, but lose out on other features. They aren't as good as incar satnav that's for sure.

Well, the 520 was never meant to have navigation as a priority: the 5xx line has always been performance oriented and the 8xx/10xx have been the navigation tools. The 520 Plus (which will square up to the Elemnt on price) appears to acquire that level of navigation functionality, though.

On the Wahoo front, when I had mine the app could do routing, but what it couldn't do was allow you to drag the route via anything other than its choice. Fine for hot-footing it to the nearest petrol station for emergency chocolate milk but useless for making a wholesale change to your day's plans: that's where Komoot just about filled the gap. I suspect that hasn't changed but I'd be happy to be wrong.

Just tried setting a basic route on my wahoo via the app, and it took the most direct cycle route, for me this was over a river lock and was exactly the route I take to go the same way. You can't edit the route or add stops but if you just wanted to get from A to B it would do the job. If you wanted a proper custom route then ridebygps or similar allows you to do this.

As for everything else, it just... Works. Strava had been uploaded before I walk in the door, it's far more accurate than Strava on my phone too. Strava rides recorded on my phone make me look like I was drunk, a straight road ends up being 200m longer...

If you wanted a proper custom route then ridebygps or similar allows you to do this.

On a computer, sure. Try it on a phone 🙂

Then try it when you don't have a data signal…

I had a garmin edge 25 which worked perfectly BUT having to put up with garmin software was too much for me. I couldnt route with garmin software because several streets in my area through it in to a hissyfit and instead routed you across farmers fields. Many other software issues had me selling it for the Bolt. The bolt has so far for the last 6 months been faultless and the software has been trouble free and a doddle to use.

On a computer, sure. Try it on a phone

Then try it when you don’t have a data signal…

Sorry - yeah I meant on a PC - though to be honest trying to make a custom route with a proper dedicated GPS sat nav unit isn't exactly on a phone either, a cycling computer with navigation as a small part of it's features is never going to be easier.

Creating a custom route for a long ride is something you do at home, not whilst on the trail, IMO.

Yeah, agreed, and to be honest Garmin's routing has always been a bit dodgy. Though I hope the new popularity routing goes a long way to improving that.

But for those times when you need it, at least you can make a detour and then be navigated back onto the your planned route at the touch of a button, even when you're out of phone coverage.

And will still have uploaded to strava by the time I’ve walked up the drive.

It doesn't rely on Strava running on your phone though? I mean in the sense that it's actively running during the entire ride and rinsing your battery. If it connects briefly at the end of the ride, that's fine, but too much reliance on phone apps maintaining constant connections would be a deal breaker for me.

Speaking of which though, are there any messaging capabilities on the Wahoos. Receiving texts would be useful. I know the Garmins do this... however, since this is the age of IoT and no one uses SMS any more, I'm really interested in something capable of communicating with WhatsApp, Messenger, etc. I get the impression such a thing doesn't exist yet, but it would be very cool if it did.

It doesn’t rely on Strava running on your phone though? I mean in the sense that it’s actively running during the entire ride and rinsing your battery. If it connects briefly at the end of the ride, that’s fine, but too much reliance on phone apps maintaining constant connections would be a deal breaker for me.

Speaking of which though, are there any messaging capabilities on the Wahoos. Receiving texts would be useful. I know the Garmins do this… however, since this is the age of IoT and no one uses SMS any more, I’m really interested in something capable of communicating with WhatsApp, Messenger, etc. I get the impression such a thing doesn’t exist yet, but it would be very cool if it did.

Nope, it doesn't ever connect to your phone for strava uploads. You set up your home/work wifi and when you complete a ride, the second it connects to wifi it uploads directly to strava. Unless you're changing settings, or need to navigate somewhere you never need to connect to your phone. Unless, of course...

You want to receive texts/phone call notifications. Then it needs to be connected to your phone constantly during the ride. Also if you want to share a live tracking link that also needs a constant phone connection. It also doesn't do whapsapp messages etc, just SMS, but then it's not a smar****ch so that functionality is basic.

Even syncing routes from ridewithgps etc doesn't need a phone connection, it does this over wifi.

As an alternative, I bought a Wahoo Element Bolt that I use on my road bike, and… Flippin’ heck, it’s amazing.

Except we kept getting lost when you tried to navigate with it the other day..

The main problem with that device seems to be that you cannot pan around the map to view ahead on the route.  Is that the case?  That would be a major pain for me, as I don't always want to stick exactly to what I"ve planned, and I like knowing where I am rather than simply following a line.

Does the Bolt definitely just do SMS?  I ask because I've set mine up tonight (sub 24hr delivery!) and it says Notifications, which would normally mean anything that goes through the Android Notification system.  No big deal for me, but it would be useful if they expanded this to allow you to bring any notifications through from the Android API rather than the App, then you could block apps and contacts on the phone while connected.  I'd basically like to get whatsapps from the Wife, but nothing else.  It would be good to have music control too, but again no biggy.

I have a bit of a niche question now mine is setup and working; my Trek Madone has an ANT+ combined cadence and speed sensor built into the frame, it connects perfectly with the Wahoo and is outputting Cadence, but I have no magnet on the wheel as I've always used GPS speed.  There's nowhere in the settings to turn off the speed sensor though.  Will it take the GPS speed if there's nothing coming through from the speed sensor or do I need to fit a magnet?

Overall, it looks like a great bit of kit, was so easy to setup (once I'd copied all the fields I wanted into a spreadsheet and arranged them!).  The layout isn't perfecton the display, it would be great if once you've zoomed it out to 9 you could then scroll down to more metrics, would save me having a second page for stuff I'll rarely use.  And more control over the single metric on the top row, there are lots of metrics where it would make more sense to put two metrics on the top row and when you zoom from 2 metrics in to 1 often it'll just remove the second metric without making the first larger, needs a bit of refinement.

Impressed that it automatically copied across my Strava routes and starred segments, but quick question on the Segment display; can I set it up to compare my times with my personal bests rather than the whole leaderboard?

First ride tomorrow, got a hilly route around Weardale planned.

Oh, despite having a million different metrics to choose from, it doesn't have Sunset and Sunrise times.  I found having sunset on my Garmin quite useful when I was riding regularly in the evening as I'd remember from a few days ago what time I needed to be back and whether I'd need lights.

Regarding the above comments on using the phone to upload to Strava, I thought it would use the Bluetooth connection and the phone if it was available rather than waiting to get WiFi?  Surely if I go away for a week it's not going to wait for me to get home before uploading.  You can control that by turning bluetooth off on your phone, but I'm sure it will try to use the phone connection if you let it.

It is right that you can't pan the map, I can see that would be a problem for some people, though I don't think it would be a particular issue for me.

Regarding the above comments on using the phone to upload to Strava, I thought it would use the Bluetooth connection and the phone if it was available rather than waiting to get WiFi?  Surely if I go away for a week it’s not going to wait for me to get home before uploading.  You can control that by turning bluetooth off on your phone, but I’m sure it will try to use the phone connection if you let it.

Just tested this and yes - if there's no wifi it'll use the phone's data connection once it's connected via bluetooth, either immediately after stopping the ride if the phone is connected whilst riding, or as soon as you connect bluetooth.

I'm 99% sure it's just SMS, all other notifications don't show - in the app under Alerts it's just messages and phone calls.

Got my Bolt too, just been setting up.

Couple of minor issues..... connecting to RWGPS, it has uploaded my routes but I also have a club account where we load the club run routes, and I can't upload from there to the Bolt, I had to copy the route into My Routes on the RWGPS site first. Anyone know how to export directly from the club routes page? The help pages on Wahoo talk about pinning routes but i don't seem to have that option?

And second - the settings screen says there's an update available but it doesn't seem to actually update despite getting the screen saying it is - the version keeps coming back as the same as it was?

I believe it updates when you turn it off.

have tried off and on-ing a few times, but not so far. Will leave overnight and see.

What version are other people running, for info?

Mine is on firmware WB09-1929 which according to here is the latest version.

https://support.wahoofitness.com/hc/en-us/articles/115000410550-ELEMNT-BOLT-Firmware-Updates

Anyone tried the trail forks app on the Garmin yet? Interested if you can just fire it up. See where a trail is, see where you are on the map and just navigate there by the map (i.e. no route as such, just map read.

Ive been sold on the Wahoo bit this could be useful .

Mine is on firmware WB09-1929 which according to here is the latest version.

Mines on WB09-1337 which looks like the original, and on my phone App it creates a Pop up saying Version WB42-1929 is available.

There isn't a WB42-1929 on that list but on the Elemnt update equivalent there is a WF42-1929, but that's for the Elemnt, not the Bolt.

https://support.wahoofitness.com/hc/en-us/articles/217285397-ELEMNT-Firmware-Updates

I'm pretty sure it knows it's a Bolt, not an Elemnt but why's it trying to load an update that doesn't belong to it?  And how do I get it out of that mindset.

Less impressed than i was now 😉

Can I upload custom workouts to the Bolt?

Use these a lot on my 520, usually either through Connect or Training Peaks.

Read something about needing a Today’s Plan subscription but I really don’t want to pay another £10 a month or whatever just to upload my own workout to my device.

jesus christ.

Been off and on most of the day trying to get connection to a wireless network. Have now reset my router using specific channels and the like and seem to have a connection that holds and doesn't drop and the app is now 'Updating' - the free space on the settings screen is dropping (about 14MB so far) so while I am several updates overdue, beginning to wonder if it should take this long........

Distinctly unimpressed with the help pages / documentation, most of the fixes I've tried have been googled........

Except we kept getting lost when you tried to navigate with it the other day..

The device can not be blamed for user error. 😉

Seriously, though, it wasn't the mapping; if I overshot a small lane, it was obvious in retrospect that I had just read it incorrectly.

and..........

computer says no. Still on the same version.