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Here's what it comes down to,
My budget is £750
Should i buy:
A 2012 Orange Five DB air, hope headset , £720
A 2012 Orange Alpine 160 with Cane Creek coil, hope headset for £650
An ex atherton GT force Carbon, no shock £500 Ono
Toby
My ASR5a? 🙂
What/where do you ride?
How convinced are you about the ex-atherton thing? Just about every used GT on Pinkbike is ex-atherton. This XL Halfords Aggressor is Rachel Atherton's old bike! IIRC there's been a couple of carbon Forces and the geometry's pretty questionable on some, proper GT tall and steep weirdness.
I think I've see that Alpine, and of the three it's the one I'd have, but I am not you. The GT would be of interest though
Have a five with rp2 and 32's. I do all mountain on it ie everything. The odd dh run, xc spins and mainly natural single track. It is a great bike. Only thing that let's it down is the shock on long descents. If I did more dh stuff I would go for the alpine, but for everything else I find it the perfect all rounder. Just fitted a single offset bush and it corners even better and it's a bit more stable on the flat out dh runs
Pretty convicted by the Atherton thing, but I know what you mean! He's selling lots of other ex team frames, and has pictures of his with the athertons and riding with them. As it turns out the Five is a 2013 with hope headset and bb ! Is that what I should go for? I like the alpine, I ride a lot of trails, my locals are steep, loamy and berms and jump galore, but I spend most of my time doing singletrack and xc riding! The gt is gorgeous, but I know what you mean about the steep angles, not sure if I'm a fan or not?!
Oh and Chojin, not after an asr5 unless it's carbon or you have a spare sb66 knocking around 🙂
You appear to be finding the best deals on the internet right now! I've only seen a (very similar sounding) Alpine for £750, and Fives for over £800
I like the alpine, I ride a lot of trails, my locals are steep, loamy and berms and jump galore, but I spend most of my time doing singletrack and xc riding!
Sounds more like the Five would be up your street. It has no issues whatsoever on the steep and fast, but can handle as much XC type work as you need. I wouldn't fancy the Alpine for flatter, undulating type rides
If it's the latest Force, it's got [i]fairly[/i] sensible geometry to my eyes, though I've not ridden it so pinches of salt.
Oh well, if you decide not to go for that one, do you happen to have a link? Not exactly in the market but, well, curious
I spend most of my time doing singletrack and xc riding!
Five.
Nicolai CC in large?
Shredder of this parish has a very very nice one in the region of 800
Like the alpine for that price if I could find one
I dunno the answer to your mtb woes but I think you should change your username.
If the Alpine 160 is 18" - defo DO NOT BUY IT - post the link for me instead?
🙂
Alpine. Sell the shock and buy a used fox RP23. Awesome light long travel frame cheap.
This is what I did on a 08 with a 216x63 RP23.
To be fair - it does sound like the 5 suits your riding best. I am a 5 rider. I want an Alpine (almost) entirely due to Peaks descents that I really want to do quicker (I'm ready to suffer it everywhere else for that extra speed going down).
You suffer in the Peaks on a five?
Awesome light long travel frame cheap.
Light and Alpine aren't two words you generally hear together
Two five riders were surprised by mine. Its the build and suspension that you use
Yup, lightest I think I've heard of was 31lbs with air shock, air fork, XTR drive-train and no dropper
e.g. http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/orange-alpine-160-what-does-yours-weigh
No hora - ready to 'suffer' the Alpine going up! I'm already 100kg though - so I suffer everywhere (apart from going down)
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Suits you Sir 😉
My Alpine is sub 31 lbs at 30.6 lbs but it's a pretty expensive build -bos devilles, rp23 (soon to be replaced with heavier ccdb air cs), crossmax enduro wheelset, conti barons (tubeless), carbon easton havocs,thomson stem, xtr brakes, xo cranks with works direct mount ring,carbon mrp amg top guide, vaults, 1x10 set up (xt cassette, saint shifter, zee mech), x fusion hilo (stuck with 27.2 options), selle italia flite and probs some other bits i've missed lol! It's an awesome bike for descending on and climbs well enough but would be pretty boring on tamer xc trails i think - i have a hardtail for that.