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A niche segment of the market, no?
Reminds me of eBay specials...but doesn't have saddle cover or enough accessories on.
That is right up my street, as long as my bonty muds will fit with those mudguards.
£5.5k for a commuter !!!!
That's actually the bike that about 90% of people should be riding!!!
Looks ace!
Great for round town... light MTB, and gravel/track style riding!
DrP
Initial thoughts were "why would you want a 140mm full-sus commuter". But then I realized that this isn't meant to replace a bike, it's to replace a car or motorbike, both of which would have suspension. So, yes, I'd go for it, but only if they made one in colour and I could replace one of the cars with it.
£5.5k for a commuter !!!!
Yeah. Imagine paying that much for a car!
https://livelo.se/product/livelo-1/
Same price (near as dammit), but no suspension. Does have a lot more cargo space though and is also squarely aimed at car replacement in the city.
Massive market for that sort of bike around this way - lots of people ride around the area (cotswolds) on full Sus emtbs in there 60/70's retirement (no helmet or gear) having bought, what they believe to be just a comfortable ebike. In reality it's a 5k 160mm travel enduro weapon. Theres obviously an lbs selling them either what they have in stock or what they think they can get way with price wise...
Had two gents buy a coffee in my shop yesterday on 5k treks, no helmet or specific clothing, just going for a local ride.
Looks awesome. Sort out some sort of front rack (anyone else remember Limpets?) and you’ve got a pretty much go-anywhere tourer. Ze Germans will love it.
£5.5k for a commuter !!!!
People pay a lot more than that for cars that they use for commuting maybe 75% of the time, mostly in misery : )
People also pay £500 for bikes they use for commuting but who cares, buy what you want.
There is something about 'cool' Scott and others getting into the commuter and touring market.
Lets face it, a lot of commuter and touring bikes (e or manual pedalling) are not the coolest looking of things and quite agricultural. And people are shallow - they want to look good on their new bike now they cannot drive in a generic German whip everywhere.
I have a home brew version of that basically, it's ace for commuting through the Cotswold hills. Merida eOne-Twenty with 29" Thunderburts, mudguards, hardwired lights, dropper and a DIY pivoting pannier rack.
140mm seems a lot, and i would want my town bike with some cargo capacity but other than that, great. further closing the gap between bicycle and moped.
Yeah. Imagine paying that much for a car!
My point was that for many, any old banger of a bike will do, the cheaper more knocked about and less desirable it is the better.
Yeah but how LLS is it? Can it replace my trail bike?
Seriously though. I’d buy one on retirement. Possibly before.
Pannier rack mounted as unsprung weight. Bad. Bit of an afterthought maybe?
Find a way to cantilever the pannier racks (front and rear) off the (sprung) mainframe and that might not be a bad idea. And a way to change the suspension settings when you add a weekly shop to the bike - or perhaps just a very progressive air spring / a geometry that is happy to use say 50mm of travel out of the 140mm for any given weight.
As is, not convinced.
My point was that for many, any old banger of a bike will do, the cheaper more knocked about and less desirable it is the better.
For many, any old banger of a car will do, the cheaper more knocked about and less desirable it is the better.
Yet many people choose to spend a big fraction of the income on very expensive cars that are used primarily for commuting.
I also don't subscribe to the commute-on-a-banger approach. It's probably the bike you'll spend the most time on, so it may as well be a nice one. Obviously this depends on the distance you're commuting and the security of your parking options.
Yet many people choose to spend a big fraction of the income on very expensive cars that are used primarily for commuting.
They do. And for them, looking cool is important. I feel that is what this brings to the party.
Its the audi q5 suv of the bike world, fox have even started making dedicated suspension for this niche
Am I looking at a different bike to everyone else? That's got sky high maintenance and nicked within a week written all over it. I get that bikes need to be desirable and most city ebikes look like failed A level projects but that's just wrong in so many different ways.
Only £5.5k? I'll get one for each day of the week. 😮
As above, gone in over 60 seconds if you're really lucky.
OK... I'll say it.... £5.5k for something that looks that ugly??!!
Looks like a Volvo replacement, no?
Or maybe not?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/184928309534?hash=item2b0e96111e:g:EucAAOSwUqFg5bBR
Jesus wept the hardtail version at the bottom is gopping!
e-SUV
WTF
Jesus wept the hardtail version at the bottom is gopping!
Jesus wept the hardtail version at the bottom is gopping!
That's none too pretty, I'll admit - but getting close to what I would to buy for Mrs C. A step thru eMTB lite. Step thru as she has bolloxed hips. But mtb enough for bigger comfortable tyres off road, slacker than commute angles for very (very) mild mtbing for someone lacking much confidence.
This is the best I've found so far...if it's ever available to buy.
Focus do a kinda similar bike in the Thron.
I think it's worth realising that this bike isn't really intended for it's stated purpose.
Sure its a "commuter e-bike" in the same way a model S is a runabout, i.e. a flagship, aspirational product that drives consumers to want it, obviously beyond the means of most. But there's always something similar further down the range you might be able to stretch to, that's the trick. They draw you in with the stupid bling and then find your real price point... Why do so many high cost products exist? XTR is really only there to make XT/SLX/DEORE look more reasonable...
Ultimately the whole idea of a posh commuter is a flawed concept, An expensive, desirable tool for doing the most utilitarian duties. But if you think £5.5k for a bike pedal to the office that screams "MONEY" at strangers (and eventually get stolen) is a sensible use of anyone's resources, then I doubt I'll convince you otherwise...
late-stage capitalism is fascinating.
Ultimately the whole idea of a posh commuter is a flawed concept, An expensive, desirable tool for doing the most utilitarian duties.
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What point do you think you're illustrating with that photo then?
That as a concept it may well be flawed. But buyers love it - and happily spend a fortune an a German whip.
I can see people increasingly spending on a German ebike such as this. Yes the FS element is niche for commuting, but there are more and more folk who will look buy one on never never. And £150 a month is a lot less than the bimmer costs them.
And they will get to dominate the commute....
I suppose it's down to how caught up in the "cult of stuff" you are (we all are to some extent). If shiny and expensive with "performance" numbers you don't quite understand impresses you or not. I'll be honest I sort of consider myself to have outgrown top trumps, and kind of expect most people over 25 to have done the same...
My friends who drive 'nice' Bimmers/Mercs/Audi all seem to Acknowledge that half of the appeal is the "intangibles", the projection of status, wealth and notions of taste or luxury. But in fairness they're not just using them to trundle 5 miles to their office, most are doing more motorway miles, visiting clients, etc there is some further justification.
At the same time a bog stand vauxhall would do the same basic job for about half the price and use roughly the same amount of fuel, the difference being those precious "intangibles".
Modern car culture is just an extension of wider (broken) consumer culture, I fear bicycles are now well along the same trajectory, and manufacturers are busy selling image and aspiration rather than just selling the useful, affordable, environmental mode of transport that people already want.
"Car Guys" are harmless enough, bashing one out over a new 5 series or whatever car mags say they should, their little caveman brains have made some people very wealthy over the years. But I sort of wish the marketeers wouldn't try to apply the same techniques to every other product. It's just lazy.
Nudging the whole world towards Hyperbolic ****tery and conspicuous consumption because that's what man-child consumers have consistently responded to for the last 70 odd years, well It's kind of predictable, and I'm not sure it quite correlates for bikes even when you stick an 'E' on them. The kind of people who are looking for a bicycle with panniers won't get a raging boner and start grunting when they see it's got all the suspensions or lots of watts, they'll mostly tut at the price and move on.
I suppose if you have to compare an overpriced, over-specced bicycle to a £50k+ car to make it seem like a reasonable idea, you're sort of demonstrating that it's not.
Modern car culture is just an extension of wider (broken) consumer culture, I fear bicycles are now well along the same trajectory, and manufacturers are busy selling image and aspiration rather than just selling the useful, affordable, environmental mode of transport that people already want.
Agree but then I am on the high ground driving an Aygo and an £800 bike 🙂
Probably an age and/or found contentment thing but I see no point in flashy or fast cars to trundle along in constant traffic (which is now worse than pre-pandemic levels even at 07:30 in the morning going to work) Bike is a bit different as I happen to like such simple bikes that they can't really be expensive that easily.
The previous Axis model 2020 was my first choice when deciding to get an ebike, but I felt the lower end shock and fork it had made it a poorer choice and went with the genius 920 instead because it had a fox 36 and float dps shock.
That axis shares the same frame as the genius, and you might find this shares the same from as the basic patron trail bike.
If people can look past the rack, guards etc and consider it a trail bike, thats effectively what it is.
This is far better
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Where's the motor?
In me legs.