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My eldest, nearly 4 and very tall, is doing really well (at last!) on her Isla Rothan balance bike. She finally clicked with it this spring/summer and now enjoys it and scoots around well. Despite having the long seat post for it, since she is pretty tall for her age, she's gong to be beyond it in a few month time so I need to be looking at the next size and a first pedal bike. I'm fairly hopeful she will be off and pedalling pretty quickly, yay!
I'm thinking If I start looking hard on ebay now I've a chance of getting a nice one at the normal used price, before the Christmas elevation kicks in. Is Isla still the go to brand and whats the net size?
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Posted : 01/09/2019 6:47 pm
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Isla or Frog both very good.


 
Posted : 01/09/2019 6:48 pm
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Cuda just as good as Isla and a touch cheaper.


 
Posted : 01/09/2019 7:00 pm
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Sell Frog in shops which means you can go and try one.


 
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We looked at both and settled on a frog 48 for our 4 year old, mainly because we could go to the lbs and she could sit on it first. Thought about second hand but to be honest, for what they sell for we decided to buy new, let both ours use it then sell it on and actually not lose much money


 
Posted : 01/09/2019 7:07 pm
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Yes kids bikes hold their value well. we will likely make money on the 2 Rothan we have (youngest is on one too, and the going rate on ebay seemed up £10-20 by the time i bought that one). If i don't get one on ebay in Sept/Oct I'll think hard about buying new instead as the christmas price elevation is a fair bit.


 
Posted : 01/09/2019 7:33 pm
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We got a mint Isla bike (cnoc something or other) for our daughter a year or two back. I think we paid £180-190 for it. We covered it in hot pink duck tape and flower stickers, and she absolutely loves it.

She's getting a bit too big for it so I'll be taking the tape off for my son, and getting her a bigger bike. Unless they do something silly on it I expect I'll get £100+ for it in a few years when I sell it on, so total cost for 3-4 years use £90. Great bike no regrets.

The frog bikes seemed a bit more robust but also heavier. They're decent as well but for my daughter I felt like I'd made the right choice (she's quite careful with herself and her stuff).


 
Posted : 01/09/2019 7:35 pm
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Islabike hasn't been the only game in town for a while now but are still as good as any out there. I brought my kids up on Frog bikes but they used to be cheaper than islabikes, but now they seemed to have hiked their prices and looking at 24" wheeled bikes the Frog is now more expensive than the Islabike equivalent by the tune of £80 (not compared spec's maybe they've upped the spec?) and a good £150 more than what I paid when I bought it about 4 years ago, which is a shame...I thought the Frog's were good value when I got them for my kids, but are up there on price now so not such the bargain they used to be.

But the Frogs have been great for my kids so can recommend if you can get one within budget. If not then there are plenty of others to choose from these days.


 
Posted : 01/09/2019 7:38 pm
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If you can find one, an Early Rider Belter is a belter of a bike.


 
Posted : 01/09/2019 7:52 pm
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Squish, they are lighter in the smaller sizes and a bit cheaper too.


 
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We bought ours a frog 43. Great bike but did have a couple of niggles, not least the cog unscreewing itself from the free hub.


 
Posted : 01/09/2019 9:54 pm
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I would go for an Isla almost solely on resale value. They cost next to nothing if you buy/sell smart. They are definitely not without their issues but they sell like hot cakes second hand. There are plenty of really nice other bikes out there but they will cost you far more eventually as they will be worthless second hand. I would also advise staying away from the early rider belter mentioned above. They look amazing and are really high quality but they are heavy, the rear wheel is draggy and the spacing on the bottom bracket and rear wheel/ chain stays is far too wide for kids little legs. I bought my lad an Isla for off-road and a belter for on-road and he didn’t like the belter. Said it was too slow. I ended up giving it my brothers kid who also prefers his Isla.
Edit: also the brakes on the belter were rubbish. I think they were the same as the Isla but they barely worked. I could only put it down to the painted braking surface.


 
Posted : 01/09/2019 10:20 pm
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Probably a Cnoc 16?

There’s a Facebook group for selling s/h Islas. With the bigger sizes there aren’t as many about though, and the brand premium is a bit silly hence #1 is riding about on a nice Trek.


 
Posted : 01/09/2019 10:21 pm
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I've stuck a bid in on a cnoc 16 on ebay....suspect i wont get the first though


 
Posted : 01/09/2019 10:36 pm
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Dawes Academy's are good, not that I have a 14 I'm trying to sell or anything. Though you may not get much milage out it by the sound of it.

Honestly though, Islas are not the only game in town. Squish and Dawes are the same bikes but Dawes has a BMX style bar and Squish has an mtb style. Frog are also good.


 
Posted : 02/09/2019 12:27 am
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Squish are good value, nice little bikes.


 
Posted : 02/09/2019 8:28 am
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I've had Isla and frog, the frogs just didnt seem to fit quite as well, and the Isla held its value better too


 
Posted : 02/09/2019 8:30 am
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My three kids have all had Frogs, combination of new and secondhand. Great bikes. Always sold within days of sticking them on Gumtree.


 
Posted : 02/09/2019 9:00 am
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The underrated value option is the Carrera Cosmos, found a secondhand 16" wheel one for my tall 4 year old back in the Spring for £80. Although new is only £147 right now with the Halfords offers. Same weight as a Cnoc 16, proper alu frame, nice small brake levers and V brakes, aheadset/stem, Kenda tyres, etc.

Both Isla and Frog have dedicated buy/sell Facebook groups that are worth getting on too, ebay prices go a bit silly.


 
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Yeah, just about to put my daughters Frog 62 up for sale so just trying to gauge going selling prices and they're all over the place on Ebay with some people asking silly money. Will probably just try to sell locally via the FB group and local buying and selling groups. The number of times we've been stopped on rides by people asking me about the bikes they're bound to sell without too much problem.


 
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I would also advise staying away from the early rider belter mentioned above. They look amazing and are really high quality but they are heavy, the rear wheel is draggy and the spacing on the bottom bracket and rear wheel/ chain stays is far too wide for kids little legs. I bought my lad an Isla for off-road and a belter for on-road and he didn’t like the belter. Said it was too slow. I ended up giving it my brothers kid who also prefers his Isla.
Edit: also the brakes on the belter were rubbish. I think they were the same as the Isla but they barely worked. I could only put it down to the painted braking surface

Id say the opposite.
My daughter had a Rothan, then a C-Noc14 which she just could not get on with at all, heavy for its size.
She tried an Early Rider Belter 16" and just rode off on it, despite her being a little small for it. She progressed superbly on it with loads of confidence, her brother then did the same.
They both then moved on to Belter 20" bikes which are superb too.
I`ll have to think about what to move them on to next.
I was an Islabike fanboi, but my kids got on much better with the switch to Early rider, they are lighter than Isla or Frog, better specced and hold their value very well.


 
Posted : 02/09/2019 11:09 am
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Bought my nephew a bright green frog (smallest with cranks) which he's outgrown. That will by used by his little bro soon.
Thanks to here (cheers Jason!) he's now got a Belter.


 
Posted : 02/09/2019 11:17 am
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both my kids (5 & 9) have gone through a Frog Tadpole, Frog 48, Frog 55 and the eldest is now on a Frog 69.

skipped the Frog 52 and 62.

sold the tadpole and the 48 which pretty much funded the 69.


 
Posted : 02/09/2019 12:05 pm
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Got my Sophie a commencal ramones 16. Has proper Mtb tyres. If all you want is a play about bike get a second hand one. Paid £15 for one that fits her and V-brakes.


 
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I was an Islabike fanboi, but my kids got on much better with the switch to Early rider, they are lighter than Isla or Frog, better specced and hold their value very well.

Burn the heretic!

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Posted : 02/09/2019 12:54 pm
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we have an isla for the 8yo and can't fault it

but we also have a Wiggins from halfords for the 6yo and it's a great bike, equal spec for less than an isla


 
Posted : 02/09/2019 1:20 pm
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Although we bought an eldest a Cnoc 14, he outgrew it before really 'getting' pedalling. We replaced it with a Vitus 16 for fraction of the cost of the equivalent Islabike and though there was a difference in quality, the Vitus was actually really well designed and put together. I totally get the whole residual value thing, but I ended up being far more relaxed about how he used the cheaper bike. He had a tendency to drop it and let other kids have a go, as well as it being left outside while camping etc.


 
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Why does no-one mention Pinnacle?

As good if not better than Islabike and shitloads cheaper. We've had a few, the smaller ones have stuff like bottle cages, crud catcher mounts, and also feature longer wheelbases than usual for decent stability. Finish and quality is excellent. And you get proper sized tyres instead of tiny hybrid style ones like Islabike have. Not every kids ride features smooth gravel.


 
Posted : 02/09/2019 3:18 pm
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just got my oldest a 20 inch Hoy , its a pretty smart looking thing . before that hes had a 16 inch isla and a 14 inch frog . They are all pretty good and most importantly for him came in red .


 
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My 5 year old has a Vitus 16. Really nice bike. Fractionally heavier than a Isla but well made, just needed grippier pedals.


 
Posted : 02/09/2019 5:46 pm
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Lol at Flashy!

Well if I don't win the Cnoc I've bid on I'll look at the frog and belter and that carerra (as light as the isla cnoc? really? wow)

I should have said the bike will likely get used by the youngest too, who turned 2 at the weekend and has started to get the hang of her rothan a bit more just this last weekend. Although then again...she is nuts and desperately wants to copy her big sister so I can see her needing a cnoc 14 in a year or so as she'll not be happy on a balance bike once big sis is pedalling!


 
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We've had an Isla and Frog. The Isla was a nicer looking bike but functionally no better than the Frog. That is onto its second child and reincarnated as mini-mtb/ skate park/pump track bike with some knobblies, fluro grips and see-thru pedals.

Isla are still the middle class favourite so they do hold value well, Frogs less so


 
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Another vote for the Early Rider Belters.

After first starting out on an Isla balance bike, both our girls went through Belter 16" and 20" models with zero issues. Our 6 year old is still on the 20" after moving up from the 16" this summer. I much prefer the belt drive on these small wheeled pedal bikes and they are super light (5.6 kg for the 16") if you stick to the rigid models. Build quality is great and the brakes do work, lol.

If you are interested our 16" Belter is now up for sale and in excellent condition. It's this model, perfect size for a 4 year old:-

https://earlyrider.com/products/belter-16


 
Posted : 03/09/2019 10:56 am
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I've got a red Cnoc 14 in the loft which I guess ought to have a new home… probably a bit late for a tall 4yo, though: ours rode it aged 3-5 and 3-4 before moving on to the Beinn 20.


 
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We skipped 14" bikes as both our girls are tall too. Even the 16" had a pretty short window for us, although it was at a critical time for progressing. Our girls had both outgrown the 16" at around 6.5 years, so I can't imagine a 14" would have lasted more than 12 months from age 4. They had no issues fitting on a 16" aged 4.


 
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Hmm that's interesting Moshi. I have been outbid on the cnoc 16 so I'm able to think wider again and one thought I had was to look at the 14s. I'll explain. Although my eldest is tall and now doing well on the balance bike, her younger sister appears to be a little shorter and combined with being only 2 years younger and more determined to copy big sis/a bit...a lot more physical, I suspect the youngest could be progressing to a pedal bike in 12-18 months when acnoc 16 would be too large. If I get the eldest a 14 now (well, Christmas) she then gets a 16 in another year and the youngest gets the 14 which should fit... Hopefully. I could see this repeating and both girls stepping up a size every year but at least it's only one new bike each time and with luck I'll get much of the outlay back on resale.

On the frog, it is a kilo heavier ( for the 16") which puts me off, the eldest is tall but very very very skinny and a heavy bike could be an issue. Does anyone know the actual weight of the Carrera? So far I've just found it's 'lightweight alu frame'.

Pfff, this is harder then choosing my own bikes!


 
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We just went 12-16-20 for ours, so only 3 bikes instead of 4. They both went from 12-20" wheels in less than 2 years, so in hindsight I don't see the point in a 14" (at least for taller kids). Our eldest, now nearly 10, is currently on a 24" and almost ready for a 26". Her sister at nearly 7 is already close to moving up to a 24"


 
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My boy started on an Early Rider balance bike, and is just transitioning to a Belter. I bought the Belter 2nd hand for about what I would expect to pay for a Frog etc new, but it looked like a much better bike to me, and should hold its value too


 
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Why does no-one mention Pinnacle?

As good if not better than Islabike and shitloads cheaper. We’ve had a few, the smaller ones have stuff like bottle cages, crud catcher mounts, and also feature longer wheelbases than usual for decent stability. Finish and quality is excellent. And you get proper sized tyres instead of tiny hybrid style ones like Islabike have. Not every kids ride features smooth gravel.

That's what I like about the Orbea I replaced the Dawes with, she has a previously hacked down Mk1 Crud screwed into the down tube and chunky Kenda Small Blocks. The only thing I'm not a fan of is the long cage rear mech which is far too close to the ground for my comfort, I may swap it for my old Sora. Oh, and no Gripshift!


 
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Mini loved his Cosmos, it’s pretty light, 8 and a bit kg if I remember rightly. Not Isla bikes light but it felt comparable to his cousins frog.

Edit. It’s got nice big pedals as well which gave him confidence. I put a conti explorer on the front as it was a bit slippy on the Kenda SB 8 style OEMs on wet grass.


 
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It’s got nice big pedals as well which gave him confidence.

Yeah, I replaced the plastic pedals with Wellgo KC003's, take while to get here but were well worth it.


 
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He insisted on replacing the small plastic pedals on his next bike, so I got him some gusset slim Jims


 
Posted : 03/09/2019 9:20 pm
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8 kg? right the cosmos is too heavy then unfortunately, the isla cnoc 16 is only 6.2Kg. Shame in a way as its seems great value. I suspect I'll end up paying through the nose for the middle class status symbol of the isla....but at least its resale could mean its cost of ownership is low anyway.


 
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My boys 3rd birthday toward end of year and I'm keen to get him a first pedal bike. But reading this thread, did most of you wait until yours were older (ie skipped the 12" and went to 14")? He's reasonably confident on his Strider balance bike... On holiday found a hire bike more or less the right size for him and sat him on it but he didn't get it at all.

The Pinnacle Koa doesn't look too much of a budget stretch, and would become a hand-me-down a couple of years later too.


 
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8kg from memory, it was 3 yrs ago. I don’t recall him struggling with it at all. It is considerably heavier than the Isla bike though based on those figures.


 
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I got caught up in the hype and spent months bidding on Isla Beinn 20's and was always outbid, then somebody recommended the Orbea MX20, proper bit of kit and I got one that had been ridden once for £120 off ebay. Its a proper bike.


 
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Early rider fans here. We have a belter 16 as it was the lightest (affordable) bike we could find. Significantly lighter than an Isla 14.

Shame the early rider trail 20 is so expensive, we've had to look elsewhere then change tyres etc to get the weight down.


 
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8kg from memory, it was 3 yrs ago. I don’t recall him struggling with it at all. It is considerably heavier than the Isla bike though based on those figures.

As said Isla save most of that weight by fitting tiny tyres. You could do the same to a cheaper bike and save a ton of weight and still money.

The Carrera one though looks like it has typical kid bike geo in that it has a steep HA, which makes them twitchy. If you watch little kids on these tootling down the cycleway they are weaving all over the shop. With our bikes being longer than most and slacker they were far more stable.


 
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fair point molgrip, I'd noticed the geometry looks very different to an adult bike but assumed there was a reason for it....maybe not though. Just looked at the orbea mx16...sweet looking bike! very slack angled hardcore hardtail, formed top and down tubes, I'd be proud to ride a bike like that (without the chain guard and stabilisers....one day 😉 ) I shall take a look at that. Annoyingly they refuse to quote the weight on the website...instead some narrative about go to the lbs and feel it blah blah. Jeez...any busy parent has enough to juggle, I'm just after some info to narrow down my choices before making loads of trips to go and 'feel' a possible kids bike....any parent also knows the kids fall in love with things based on some weird asthetic and th risk of a BSO made from scaffolding being THE must have bike because its got pink streamers on the bars is too high to risk lots of lbs visits too!


 
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applying a bit of control theory to the head angle thing....twitchy also means responsive. Is it needed because other things make the bike stable but unresponsive? i.e. maybe the low CofG....this may mean a bigger lean is needed to initiate a turn for any given head angle? No....I can't be bothered to get my brain working on problems it left behind at university 20 years ago... the easy way to answer it is...oh...take the eldset to the lbs to try them. Maybe if I blindfold her so she can't see the streamers.....


 
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I solved the "pink" issue simply by applying a few pink flower stickers to the silver frame. She was delighted and it actually looked pretty good. A pretty bell and front basket are good accessories too for tarting it up.


 
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@sirromj - We just went straight from a 12" balance bike to a 16" ER Belter aged around 3.5. Both our girls could scoot around faster on balance bikes until they were nearly 4 and then it was a very easy transition. Literally just a few minutes to get used to the pedals, no balance issues.


 
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Monkey jnr was rocking the local parks on his Spesh Hot Walk balance bike to just before his 4th birthday. Got him a CNOC 14 which was perfect. That was his 'going out on proper adventures' bike as he had a shitty BSO to trash elsewhere. Upgraded to a Beinn 20L at 6yrs IIRC (from this parish). Just sold that as it happens. Brilliant in every way except for the grip shift - he never got used to it.

Bottom line: I'd happily go the same route but am well aware many parents are equally happy with offerings from Frog et al.


 
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applying a bit of control theory to the head angle thing….twitchy also means responsive. Is it needed because other things make the bike stable but unresponsive? i.e. maybe the low CofG….this may mean a bigger lean is needed to initiate a turn for any given head angle?

Don't think so. Little kids tend to weave all over the shop, especially when distracted by trailside things which is often. So maximum stability is useful. Not many kids are thrashing tight singletrack and demanding lightening fast steering at that age.


 
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Nothing wrong with the Carrera geometry.
Think your probably seeing things, photos can create weird optical illusions, especially with bike angles.
In the flesh, you wouldn't see a difference. Have had next to mates Hoy's, pinnacle, Isla frog and Wiggins. Looks the same and rides well for the kids to when dealing about.
Have used for 2 kids learning to ride, just good neutral/stable bikes and just goes where they want it to, no twitch no probs.
Littlest kid even got about 2 foot of air on the BMX track and just rolled the landing out really smooth. Great bike.

However, Carrera also do a "girls" model called the star and that's the one to get. Same geo and spec but the top tubes been dropped , bit like a ladies step through shopper or balance bike, so the standover is better for learning.
Prob the most important feature for building confidence.


 
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got caught up in the hype and spent months bidding on Isla Beinn 20’s and was always outbid, then somebody recommended the Orbea MX20, proper bit of kit and I got one that had been ridden once for £120 off ebay. Its a proper bike.

Pah. You could have had our islsabike bheinn for way less than that.

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I'm at exactly this stage with my son 3+4 months old. He was scooting past kids on Isla (pedal) bikes at the bmx track (:
I bought a Cuda on his birthday which is ok but too big for him and a bit porky.
I then sat him on the Wiggins Macon 16" last week. Possibly a smidge too big still but not much. he put a few pedals in round the shop and squeezed the brakes. Anyway it felt really light, nice build and i could'nt really fault it at £140 (£154 today). I wont be spending £350 on his first bike. I've seen a few Carrera Cosmos out and about and they looked good but a bit weightier when lifting one up.


 
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The Carrera Cosmos doesn’t look slack in person. It looks more like a mini version of my BFe 275. After the previous BSO hewas bought it was a revelation for him , gave him lots of confidence and he really enjoyed riding it. Micro will have it next.

@neilnevill - I will climb into. The room with some scales at the weekend and weight it. If there is no response by Saturday bump the thread.

Edit- I was hoping they did something similar in the next size up but everything weighed a ton and had that traditional twitchy look.

Edit edit - I’ll measure the head and seat tube angle as well.


 
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Here's my journey...

Ridgeback mx14 - brilliant, light, simple. Lasted boy no.1 from 3 to 6, then boy no.2

Vitus twenty - cheaper and better than equivalent frog/Isla imho due to bigger pedals, wider handlebars, wider rims giving a wider and more stable tyre

Orbea mx24 - got one with my Occam am. Very good, better to get a slightly cheaper one as the one I got was spec'd up and you pay extra for triangular tubes and front forks etc which probably unnecessary. Having said that I spoke to Adam at Biketart and got a very good deal

Frog 65? (26"). Crap. Ridiculously narrow handlebars. Pedals too small. Lasted a year before getting a small proper bike so a waste of time

Couple of skip bikes, unbelievably heavy old things. Not worth the bother but filled a gap

If I did it all again, Vitus all the way but you have to watch the prices as they yo-yo through the year


 
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@neilnevill I wouldn't worry about the weight of the Orbea, they are nice and light.


 
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the vitus 16 looks nice. 7.2Kg with kenda tyres and £180 new on wiggle and CRC


 
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Pah. You could have had our islsabike bheinn for way less than that.

/Worst stealth ad evah

Not at all, do a search on eBay for sold Isla Bheinn 20 Large over the last year and they generally have all sold for about £220+, there's a few outliers, but they appear to be collection only in far away locations that I wouldn't have bid on, in fact one sold for only £75! But that one would have been a 10/11 hour round trip for me. 😁👍


 
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the vitus 16 looks nice. 7.2Kg with kenda tyres and £180 new on wiggle and CRC

That's still pretty heavy for a 16" bike. Especially coming from a 12" super lightweight balance bike. It's actually very close to the weight of our 20" Belter (8 kg), which feels a lot heavier than the 16" version (5.5 kg) when you pick them up. Not saying it would be a major issue, but IMHO weight is king for little girls! Our 6 year old went from the 16 to 20 this summer and at first she really baulked at the 2.5 kg weight difference. It sounds like nothing, but look at how much weight weenies bang on about saving that kind of weight off a 14 kg (30 lb) trail bike!


 
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Wowsers! 5.5! Well, 5.6....i just checked. I thought the Isla was light at 6.2! I tend to feel weight will be a big part of my eldest enjoying the bike, she is tall but so skinny it's not funny. Younger sister, 2 years younger, bosses her about and beats her up at times! I'd not taken much notice of the mentions of the belter...I am now.
It's not cheap new, and looks like but many in eBay, but if she enjoys riding it then it's money well spent. Belter and Isla are the front runners I think.


 
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Belter and Isla are the front runners I think.

I agree for a first pedal bike. What swung me to the Belter was.... the belt. No oil on the clothes, no need for a chain guard, zero maintenance. I had no reservations buying the 20" version either. Both have been brilliant for us and the girls are now both really strong riders.


 
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Yes and remove the guard and replace a heavy chain with a rubber band.. save weight.


 
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8 kg? right the cosmos is too heavy then unfortunately, the isla cnoc 16 is only 6.2Kg

Don't get me wrong (I bought a frog for our tall but skinny 4 year old after all) but I think as people who are "into bikes" we get a bit obsessed about weight and spec. Let's be honest, we probably all learnt on fairly heavy BSO and still enjoyed it and are still doing it now.

Someone said here before that the best bike is the one the child is excited to ride, if that's pink with a basket, streamers and a doll's seat on the back then so be it.

Right, ban me for life


 
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Weighed it. 7kg . Head angle measured at 69.5 using compass clinometer. Measure BFe 275 at 68 in same spot. (Cotic quote 68.6 with 100mm forks). Lots of variables I know, but for what it’s worth approx 70. Also it has very long chain stays.

I forgot to measure the seat tube angle.


 
Posted : 07/09/2019 11:53 am
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Early Rider Belter fan here too.
Ours is from The Hope Academy At £6/month and change for the 20” whenever he’s ready.

Fantastic bike and better spec than mine by a long way! 😂👍

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I bought tip shop bikes for my little fellas. People splash out ridiculous money on bikes that get ridden often but for very short distances so have very little wear except for cosmetics, then they get junked and are easy fixers.

Five year old has his brother's hand-me-down 6speed and is a boss on seesaws and climbs like a champ. Eight year old has a rebuilt 18sp Trek MT60 that we had fun putting together out of donor parts and he's already had a crack at black runs. Fact is they're kids they'll have fun whatever they're riding as long as there's no pressure.

I figure paying off the mortgage quicker will be of more benefit to them in the long run than me trying to impress other parents.


 
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The net cost of buying a decent used Belter or Islabike is negligible once you eventually sell it on. Even if you buy new you can get about 2/3rds of your money back on re-sale.

Certainly isn't going to make any difference to your mortgage, lol!


 
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jeez that hope belter is bling!

really kicking myself that I waited a few seconds too long and missed ot on a really good condition belter very close by yesterday! been outbid on another today...fingers crossed for another in 10 mins...


 
Posted : 07/09/2019 2:52 pm
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Not at all, do a search on eBay for sold Isla Bheinn 20 Large over the last year and they generally have all sold for about £220+, there’s a few outliers, but they appear to be collection only in far away locations that I wouldn’t have bid on, in fact one sold for only £75! But that one would have been a 10/11 hour round trip for me.

I'm an outlier. Got a Bheinn 20 small for sale for £90 with no interest at all. TBH it's had a hard life but I'd have been open to offers...... any offers......

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really kicking myself that I waited a few seconds too long and missed ot on a really good condition belter very close by yesterday! been outbid on another today…fingers crossed for another in 10 mins…

Where are you located? We have a pretty mint Belter 16 for sale now our youngest has recently moved onto the 20"


 
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Balls! 2nd highest for the third time in 24 hours! Cent understand how eBay bids work sometimes...I bid £185 and was showing as highest bidder but lost to a bid of £185.35. how was that allowed?

Ooooo, Moshi, I'm south London but can pay postage? Could you pm some photos?


 
Posted : 07/09/2019 4:15 pm
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Kids won't appreciate a 'good' bike over a normal one...plus they grow at a staggering rate so utterly pointless investing too much. I got Frogs for my kids but at the time they were pretty reasonably priced, but now their prices have seemed to have take a bit of a hike so they're no longer the value for money prospect they once were and if my kids were young now I wouldn't be investing so much in their bikes.

Ultimately if the kids are properly using the bikes, like we probably did when we were kids, they won't be used for serious cycling, they'll be playthings and will get battered so going for a lightweight bike is not really a good idea, you want something robust, that will be dropped, bashed about, picking up scratches, scrapes, crashed into trees and lampposts etc. The'll have them for 18 months maybe 2 years before they grow out of them.


 
Posted : 07/09/2019 4:26 pm
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Kids won’t appreciate a ‘good’ bike over a normal one

IME kids notice a lot more than we might think. Ours definitely appreciate "good" bikes and I wish I'd had something similar when I was a kid instead of the ridiculously heavy hand-me-downs that were way too big. Both our daughters ride a lot better than I did at their age and it's not even expensive in the end because "good" bikes hold their value and go the distance. So it was a no-brainer for me, but each to their own.


 
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Ooooo, Moshi, I’m south London but can pay postage? Could you pm some photos?

I'm in Buckingham, so a bit of a trek for you. Ideally I would prefer not to bother with postage because of the risk of damage, but might consider it if it doesn't sell locally. I've noticed they usually go for around £175-200 on ebay in good condition.


 
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Fair enough


 
Posted : 07/09/2019 5:16 pm
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Kids won’t appreciate a ‘good’ bike over a normal one

Piffle.

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A kid thoroughly enjoying a good bike.


 
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