[Closed] Female riders - would you enter an event that categorised you as a 'whore'?

the organizers are literally defining competitors (in a women-only event) in sexual terms.

oldtalent - Member
Seems fine

atlaz - Member
it seems some women DO find it at least purile/irritating and some find it offensive. Perhaps they're all frothing handwringers too.

Just picking up on that point.

I know some women, ohh I do, in fact some of my best friends are women. 😆

So, these women handwringers. Do they fancy a job? It's been a while, y'no...
😆 😉

that you can no longer say no dogs, no blacks, no irish - is that what upsets you ?

I look forward to you addressing all females as whores seeing as its "fine"

Good point well made Junkyard

It's irony/ a joke between women - get over it

The irony of that remark is that most of the women mountain bikers on this thread (and the women that were asked for their opinion by other folks who have commented) don't find it either funny or ironic.

It's not funny/mad/crazy/zany/ironic/insert A. N. Other qualifier here, it's just dull. Dull as owt. Dull on a stick, even.

If there are going to be women-only races I want them to be [u]races[/u]. I'll race any ****er, me, because I'm a chippy cow with an inferiority complex, so if I'm thinking of entering your* event I want to be in a category that makes me feel like I [i]can[/i] race any ****er, not some shitty crazy/zany/wacky 'in' joke** name for a category that's almost a throwback to the 70s. My mother-in-law, etc... Don't get me wrong, I'm not a humourless shrew and I'll happily break out the C-word as and when it's called for 😆

* not 'your' personally, 'your' generally.

** I do get that 'whore' isn't meant in the usual sense here, it just means someone who can't get enough of racing enduros. Still lame, mind.

it seems some women DO find it at least purile/irritating and some find it offensive. Perhaps they're all frothing handwringers too.

Given that that the event was well subscribed, with plenty of women apparently being fine with the category names, maybe the organisers were quite happy that they wouldn't attract a section of women riders that wouldn't see the funny side?

A little (very little) bit like SSUK shouting it's shonky bollocksness from the rafters - stony-faced roadie type points racers with no sense of fun are warned off, and the event is what it is as a result.

So I checked with some whore friends, they said they didn't want to be associated with filthy mtbers.

A little (very little) bit like SSUK shouting it's shonky bollocksness from the rafters - stony-faced roadie type points racers with no sense of fun are warned off, and the event is what it is as a result.

Not even a [i]very[/i] little bit like that. Decent effort though!

'If I have to explain it, you won't understand' springs to mind here. There's no red-faced frothing outrage at all, just indifference to the event because of the category names. It's the same kind of thinking that causes ads for women-only group rides to mention there'll be cake and coffee after. FFS, I know there'll be cake and coffee/tea/whatever because 1) I like cake and tea and 2) I'll probably be ****ing starving at some point in the ride so, yes, I will stopping for something to eat- you* don't have to reinforce the fact that We're Women Out Riding Bikes In A Male-Dominated World And Aren't We Awesome For Having A Go.

It's the organiser's fault for not being confident enough in their event that they've used such 'naughty' (giggle, etc...) names for the categories. We don't need 'permission' to ride or race bikes but these category names seek to 'make it ok' for us to have a go. It's not feminist at all in the slightest ever, it's just a bit shit and 'Oh? Really? This? [i]Again[/i]? Are we still doing this?'

* not 'you' personally, 'you' generally.

kayla, with you 100%. See my comment early on page 1. I've got 3 nieces, 8-11 (different families if you're scratching your head at the maths!) and in a little way, I represent mountain biking to them. I think it's a brilliant sport/activity/pastime/way of seeing the country and I'd be very happy if they got into it. I'd be a bit upset and embarrassed for the sport if they saw this race and the categories. I might be being overprotective over sensitive, but I'd feel like I had some extra work/explaining to do.

Just doing a little devils advocating, thought experimenting up there^.

It's the same kind of thinking that causes ads for women-only group rides to mention there'll be cake and coffee after.

Jeez, that's just wrong.

Any decent ride should have cake and coffee [i]during[/i] as well.

nedrapier, I got it! 😀

My niece (7) is into boxing and kickboxing and I'd love her to grow up knowing she can do anything she wants (within the law, obvs, and abiding by Rule #1) and doesn't need permission from anyone to do (or be) anything she wants.

I'm not militant about this sort of stuff, just forthright. Like I said before, I'll race any ****er, me!

edit- Bez, well, yes, [i]obviously[/i]... 🙄 😆

Wouldn't put me off no (I'm a female btw), I can understand that it may offend some folk but all I see is this... event organisers (who ever they are, I don't know them btw) are just probably trying to spice things up and add a bit of humour to their events, if anything it has caused plenty of publicity and a bit of a stir around women's mountain biking, which I think is a good thing, well played!

Life can be far too serious sometimes and there's more important things to worry and complain about that category names in a MTB event, which people very kindly go out of their way and put a lot of time and effort into organising.

I do get that 'whore' isn't meant in the usual sense here, it just means someone who can't get enough of racing enduros. Still lame, mind.

Thank christ , mind breaking it down for those that clearly don't despite having it explained already?

Just a thought, instead of moaning about it on here has anyone who is in a reasonable position (ie. the few women who have commented here) to make a case against it contacted Air Maiden to voice their concerns? If you think it's regressive or whatever then nothing will change if you don't do something about it.

(I should add that I feel pretty much the same though can see where the joke is and that this is how in-jokes get folk into trouble. However given I'm not eligible to compete I don't feel it's in any way my business to force my views on the organisers)

Businesses can be self limiting. If even 20% of potential racers are put off it could make or break the event in the long run as I'd imagine that once you've been put of Air Maiden events, you wouldn't go back to check out whether they're still using the names that put you off.

It's like the bike shops around where I work who complain they don't get enough business during the week but close at lunch (so they can ride) and are done for the day at 5pm. I can't get to them during the week and at the weekend I'd have to drive past bike shops to get to them. So bollocks to them, if their own "concept" causes them harm, that's natural selection.

Disclaimer: I am a man, with a penis and everything.

I marshalled enduro maiden last year, friends of mine did it, on the day nobody really gave a shit about it. It came from "race virgin", like "if you're a race virgin, what is this person that's done 1000 races" I thought it was a bit weird but it's basically trivial compared to all the positives it had- last year (don't know about this year) it was a proper full-on enduro race using EWS stages at the golfy, and a huge number of the entrants had never done any race before let alone something as daft as this. It was fantastic.

Lynn does ace events and she gets things done that other people don't. Perfect example: the people at the golf course usually hate us, bikers park in their car park and get in the way. She convinced them to provide parking, the club house, and a wee army of marshalls. Unbelievable.

rs - Member

Do the entrants get a 20s head start if they ride a cove bike with a funny name?

I suspec the head marshall rides a Cove bike with a funny name so probably not

kayla wins the thread

[quote=squirrelking ]Just a thought, instead of moaning about it on here has anyone who is in a reasonable position (ie. the few women who have commented here) to make a case against it contacted Air Maiden to voice their concerns? If you think it's regressive or whatever then nothing will change if you don't do something about it.

Somebody could just send them a link to this thread (and before anybody asks why don't I, it would be better if a potential customer did).

Smashing. Do I win a fiver? I won a Ladybird 'Space' book at school BITD, this one-

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[quote=kayla1 ]Smashing. Do I win a fiver?

No, just the adulation of a load of middle aged blokes. Sorry.

Oh 🙁

It's obvious they're using the word "whore" with the more modern meaning of using something a lot.
Still, it's a bit silly.

It's obvious they're using the word "whore" with the more modern meaning of using something a lot.
Still, it's a bit silly.

They're not using it just in that context though, are they? Three of the four categories are named after terms that are used (often negatively in the case of Whore and Cougar) to describe women according to their sexuality. That's not exactly a coincidence, is it?

The fourth category really should be "enduro jailbait" or "enduro lolitas" 😈

Does cougar really mean 'over 30'? I thought that was the american version of GILF.

Does cougar really mean 'over 30'?

Does "whore" really mean "done it more than three times"?

[quote=retro83 ]Does cougar really mean 'over 30'? I thought that was the american version of GILF.

If only there was an easy way for finding out information like that on the internet...

I do get that 'whore' isn't meant in the usual sense here, it just means someone who can't get enough of racing enduro

This would be true if the categories were novice, regular and whore, not virgin, cougar and whore.

I find it all a bit sad and to be honest it does put me off. It doesn't make me feel offended as such, but it makes the event sound like it is aimed at lad/ladette market rather than the family-friendly market.

…it makes the event sound like it is aimed at lad/ladette market rather than the family-friendly market.

Yup, that was the one thing that I couldn't? get my head around back in the days of Page 1: it would probably just be an unremarkable bit of take-it-or-leave-it irreverent humour among adults, but it seems weird alongside the encouragement of 8 year olds to get involved. If my daughter was 20 and entering the event then great; at 16 (the minimum for that event) then maybe it's workable; but if I was looking for events for her to go to aged 8, then for me this naming would count these events out. Maybe the kids don't find out until the age of 16 that they're aspiring whores, I dunno. Just seems like something I'd steer clear of as a parent of a younger child. YMMV. Wrong end of the country for us to show up to anyway 😉

Bez - Member

it seems weird alongside the encouragement of 8 year olds to get involved in it.

There isn't any encouragement for 8 year olds to get involved; enduro maiden is 16s and over. Mini Maidens is a separate event run by the same people, there's no crossover.

aracer - Member
If only there was an easy way for finding out information like that on the internet...

Quite right, posting on Singletrack, which is exactly what I've done.

How is your research going retro?

There isn't any encouragement for 8 year olds to get involved; enduro maiden is 16s and over. Mini Maidens is a separate event run by the same people, there's no crossover.

Fair dos then, I guess. I figure there must be a de facto "career path" from Mini to Baby to Virgin to Whore, though, which still seems a bit creepy.

sweet jesus of baby Nazareth

Maidens is a separate event run by the same people, there's no crossover.

It's the organiser's fault for not being confident enough in their event that they've used such 'naughty' (giggle, etc...) name

or being confident enough that they don't give a toss what internerds think

[quote=Big-Bud ]sweet jesus of baby Nazareth

I think he'd actually be in the cougar category

matt_outandabout - Member

Apart from the fact that the day they do turn 16

Last I checked, that doesn't happen when they're 8.

And "the fact that the people who work with these young people hold these values"- what [i]values[/i]?

And "the fact that the people who work with these young people hold these values"- what values?

Well, getting ~70 women riding in an Enduro race.

I assume all those being negative all have done more for the female side of mountain biking than Airmaiden.

Photo of women being insulted in last year's race.

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Any single speed whores cougars fancy a dabble at single speeding come and sign up but be ready for the bitchiness!
https://www.ssuk17.com

I assume all those being negative all have done more for the female side of mountain biking than Airmaiden.

Life isn't that simple. Yes, they're doing something positive for female MTBing but they're also doing something which many perceive negatively and which could be easily changed with no detriment, except to the organisers' egos.

which many perceive negatively

I'm unclear on what research proves this. There's *some* on this forum, yes. If we made all of our decisions based on how people on web forums feel, we'd be in a pretty sorry place.

I'm unclear on what research proves this. There's *some* on this forum, yes. If we made all of our decisions based on how people on web forums feel, we'd be in a pretty sorry place.

If you think it's only this forum that thinks this then you can't see the wood for the trees. It's a bad joke, misfired. Just because the event is good doesn't cancel that out.

Six pages over a day - call it what you will, their marketing works 😆

If you think it's only this forum that thinks this then you can't see the wood for the trees

Still waiting...

Yeah, like.

What would Mumsnet think?

Anyone care to link em' to this thread??

I assume all those being negative all have done more for the female side of mountain biking than Airmaiden.

That's not the point.
I don't even know why something specific has to be done for female mountain biking? I've ridden my mountain bike every week for the past 9 years (except for 6 months off for surgery), I've entered events every year, I tell everyone how brilliant it is. I don't need to be attracted into it by shit attempts at humour.

Still waiting...

Try searching on Twitter. Or probably any other online shouting facility 😉 But when I looked on Twitter it seemed to be proving about as popular as a poo bobbing in the shallow end. (A good chunk of that was in response to @EverydaySexism's tweet, so no real surprise.)

I don't even know why something specific has to be done for female mountain biking?

Because a lot of women feel intimidated by racing with men. Not having to worry about someone hooning behind you, and feeling like you need to get out of the way, ruining your time is a pretty good thing.

The atmosphere at events like Enduromaiden and Foxhunt are brilliantly different.

The atmosphere at events like Enduromaiden and Foxhunt are brilliantly different.

I'm all for women's events - they're a good thing. I don't see why the age/experience categories have to be any different - there is no benefit, only bizarre sexual and frankly inappropriate language. What are they going to call Vets and Super Vets? Old Slags and Dried Up Hags?

If you think it's only this forum that thinks this then you can't see the wood for the trees. It's a bad joke, misfired. Just because the event is good doesn't cancel that out.

True, I said something similar in reply to a giant thread on one of the women's mtb FB groups about it. Lots of women thought it was shit, a thought it was fine.

Yes, I'm doing something for female mountain biking and sport in general. Supporting my daughter by ensuring she has every opportunity to try each sport she is interested in - that we can afford.

vickypea - Member

I don't even know why something specific has to be done for female mountain biking?

60-70 people turned up for enduro maiden the last 2 years. 12 women signed up for the last Scottish Enduro Series (out of 278), not enough to make a full podium for 2 of the 3 classes...

I think what they are doing seems excellent. Just the cat names seem dumb.

[quote=bikebouy ]What would Mumsnet think?

Maybe that's it - it's actually the mumsnet market they're after rather than the ladettes.

Or maybe since they're selling out they need some way to discourage some women from taking part.

Because it's quite clear (to me as a bloke, reading the responses from women on here and reports of responses from other women) that this sort of "marketing" is offputting to some women. Honestly who cares what us blokes think about it, but if it is indeed something which puts off some of the potential customers then it's probably a bad thing, irrespective of whether they're selling out or lots of other women don't have a problem with it. I can't see any negatives for less controversial category names.

And in case I need to mention it I do understand the importance of such events and that something needs to be put on for women (and that lots of women are keen on doing women only events). It seems the organisers of these events are doing a great job, about the only thing they might have got wrong is the category naming.

Hard to believe you lot have gotten yourself so worked up about this.

I entered the event and it's one of the best days I've had on my bike. I couldn't give a flying duck what the category names were, and nobody was bothered on the day. In fact it was all quite funny. I've also entered TweedLove enduros in the past and they were nowhere near the fun that this was. I doubt I'll enter another tweedlove Enduro because of the experience of racing it as a woman and their lack of considering how to get more women into it or make it a better experience.

Air maiden does so much to help get women riding stuff they normally wouldn't ride and really enjoying every minute on the bike. Lynne really gets what women are about and how they work differently from men. I think she's got a degree in psychology, so approaches things a bit differently from your normal coach.

It's definitely not aimed at the mumsnet crowd and anyone who knew Lynne would think it's hilarious to even mention the two in the same category.

The event is very much aimed at getting women racing who wouldn't normally whilst also providing a race for more experienced people to enjoy as a majority rather than the extreme minority that you get at normal enduro races. Hence, the wide range that the categories provide.

Please take your mock feminist outrage somewhere else and leave this event alone.

Hard to believe you lot have gotten yourself so worked up about this.

I entered the event and it's one of the best days I've had on my bike. I couldn't give a flying duck what the category names were, and nobody was bothered on the day. In fact it was all quite funny. I've also entered TweedLove enduros in the past and they were nowhere near the fun that this was. I doubt I'll enter another tweedlove Enduro because of the experience of racing it as a woman and their lack of considering how to get more women into it or make it a better experience.

Air maiden does so much to help get women riding stuff they normally wouldn't ride and really enjoying every minute on the bike. Lynne really gets what women are about and how they work differently from men. I think she's got a degree in psychology, so approaches things a bit differently from your normal coach.

It's definitely not aimed at the mumsnet crowd and anyone who knew Lynne would think it's hilarious to even mention the two in the same category.

The event is very much aimed at getting women racing who wouldn't normally whilst also providing a race for more experienced people to enjoy as a majority rather than the extreme minority that you get at normal enduro races. Hence, the wide range that the categories provide.

Please take your mock feminist outrage somewhere else and leave this event alone.

No one is suggesting the event is not a good thing - it clearly is doing brilliant stuff. Our sport needs to be open to all regardless of sex or gender. Events that make that happen are much needed and someone who clearly has the enthusiasm, talent and commitment to do it is obviously a real positive.

However, please note you represent the views of one woman - not all. You are entitled to your view, as is everyone else - including several women who have varied opinions already on this thread. Feminism is not just an issue for women - so perhaps our 'mock' feminism is less 'mock' than you think.

Hard to believe you lot have gotten yourself so worked up about this.

Feminism is not just an issue for women - so perhaps our 'mock' feminism is less 'mock' than you think.

Whilst that may well be true it's definitely not your (or my) place to dictate the terms.

Anyway, my wife found it amusing and now wants to do a coaching session so all publicity is good publicity as they say.

Sample response from another woman - I asked my OH her views and she said said she'd actually be [i]more[/i] likely to enter the event due to the naming of the categories! She is Glaswegian though (and very strongly feminist), so take from that what you will about her sense of humour... 😉

Please take your mock feminist outrage somewhere else and leave this event alone.

And it isn't outrage - most of the objectors on this thread have expressed their views carefully so as to indicate that their disapproval falls somewhat short of outrage. And whatever it is, it isn't mock it is genuine, Most people expressing their views here are not trolls and I don;t believe you are either. Why do you believe people who hold views contrary to your's are not genuine?

I entered the event and it's one of the best days I've had on my bike. I couldn't give a flying duck what the category names were

That's the feeling I got from the event when I was marshalling.

Thanks for giving a participant and target market response.

[i]target market[/i]

I think this was why I started the thread.

There clearly is a target market, I really just wondered if the way it was targeted made other women who are likely to compete in that type of event feel that they were excluded because they felt the racing categories weren't appropriate.

Could they still attract their core rider group but also drag in some other people if they chose to use different class categories?

Would julzm still have entered if it had just been;

under a certain age
inxeperienced enduro racers
experienced enduro racers
over a certain age

or would that have made her feel it was too formal/traditional/mainstream?

inxeperienced enduro racers

Noobs with Boobs?

nobody was bothered on the day. In fact it was all quite funny.

People who turn up to event support event shocker....hold the front pages

IN later news racists at lynching were not upset by black mans suffering

The event is very much aimed at getting women racing

GOd I wish i had a fancy degree in psychology to let me know if using these names encouraged all women. whilst some wont be bothered its obvious some will so its just not helpful in achieving that goal as it will deter some of their target audience.

Please take your mock feminist outrage somewhere else and leave this event alone.

Could they still attract their core rider group but also drag in some other people if they chose to use different class categories?

I refer you back to Northwind's comment. 70 women sold-out Airmaiden.

12 out of 278 were women in the last Scottish Enduro Series round.

I'd say they've got the marketing spot on from those stats.

[i]am exercising my right to debate an issue of legitimate public concern on a public discussion forum.[/i]

Trouble is though - this isn't the sort of debate where anyone* is prepared to change their views based on what anyone else says. Which makes it a pointless merry-go-round of bollocks.

*someone might have but I didn't read it all.

Would julzm still have entered if it had just been;

under a certain age
inxeperienced enduro racers
experienced enduro racers
over a certain age

Of course she would have! She said, I quote - she "couldn't give a flying duck what the category names were, and nobody was bothered on the day. "

[i]Of course she would have! [/i]

So why choose what they did, knowing that some women would choose not to enter? Just ends up seeming unnecessarily divisive, 'edgy' for the sake of it.

the issue was did the name deter folk from entering who otherwise would have entered

Its obvious, even to you dez, that it did not deter those who did enter.

Its seems pretty obvious it would deter some women - like say having a category for rapists would deter some men from entering an event
its a no brainer of a question.

So why choose what they did, knowing that some women would choose not to enter?

I'm confused by this. I live in the valley, and ride with a lot of the local female riders and no one sited the category names as a reason not to enter.

Trouble is though - this isn't the sort of debate where anyone* is prepared to change their views based on what anyone else says. Which makes it a pointless merry-go-round of bollocks.

This is true of most threads that go beyond a few pages though. But the usual suspects seem to have fun on the merry-go-round so no harm done. But this thread really !!!
This post should have ended the thread 😀

I entered the event and it's one of the best days I've had on my bike. I couldn't give a flying duck what the category names were, and nobody was bothered on the day.

Its seems pretty obvious it would deter some women - like say having a category for rapists would deter some men from entering an event

Maybe that was the idea - it sold out, so less disappointed people (wimminz).

I'd sign up for a rapist category (if I raced). Wouldn't bother me in the slightest, cos I know I'm not one. And anyway it would be "Enduro Rapists" and you can't rape an enduro. Said he, joining in with the merry-go-round of bollocks.

Its seems pretty obvious it would deter some women -

This is true but people are all different especially relating to their take on humour. If you try to not offended "anyone" make everything inclusive at every level things become dull,dull,dull 🙁 The category names reflect the organiser's sense of humour and a hope the event will be conducted in that spirit. If you don't buy into that fair enough,just tick it as another thing to ignore. I do that all the time.

Hard to believe you lot have gotten yourself so worked up about this.

I entered the event and it's one of the best days I've had on my bike. I couldn't give a flying duck what the category names were, and nobody was bothered on the day. In fact it was all quite funny. I've also entered TweedLove enduros in the past and they were nowhere near the fun that this was. I doubt I'll enter another tweedlove Enduro because of the experience of racing it as a woman and their lack of considering how to get more women into it or make it a better experience.

Air maiden does so much to help get women riding stuff they normally wouldn't ride and really enjoying every minute on the bike. Lynne really gets what women are about and how they work differently from men. I think she's got a degree in psychology, so approaches things a bit differently from your normal coach.

It's definitely not aimed at the mumsnet crowd and anyone who knew Lynne would think it's hilarious to even mention the two in the same category.

The event is very much aimed at getting women racing who wouldn't normally whilst also providing a race for more experienced people to enjoy as a majority rather than the extreme minority that you get at normal enduro races. Hence, the wide range that the categories provide.

Please take your mock feminist outrage somewhere else and leave this event alone.

I do find it odd that a commercial event has used this terminology, my thoughts that I posted earlier in this thread was that it was rather juvenile. Common sense dictates that one doesn't want to put off paying punters, how can you seriously expect paying punters to know that the organisor has their own individual sense of humour?

I don't race but even if I did that terminology would deter me from entering. It's not clever and it isn't funny, imo obviously.

Maybe that was the idea - it sold out, so less disappointed people (wimminz).

I'd sign up for a rapist category (if I raced).

If you try to not offended "anyone" make everything inclusive at every level things become dull,dull,dull

It might be just me but if i wanted to encourage women to participate in something i would use an approach other than calling them whores and using overtly sexualised categories, unless i was organising a swingers night or an orgy.

Who knew it was as simple as call them whores to get them to engage.. i should try this more often

I do get that 'whore' isn't meant in the usual sense here, it just means someone who can't get enough of racing enduros. Still lame, mind.

Since you need it explained again.

rickon - Member

I refer you back to Northwind's comment. 70 women sold-out Airmaiden.

And something else I should have mentioned- the proportion of novice racers or first-time enduro racers was off the scale. These days the mainstream events seem to have gone a bit DH, it's a lot of the same faces, and the "entry level" events are mostly piss-easy. Come and ride a red route, yay! I don't think many if any real enduros get such a high proportion of first timers. It was ace- reminded me of being at enduro ground zero at innerleithen back in the day. One of the things people miss out on now is that original "we have no idea what we're doing" feeling- if you turn up for a race now, everyone understands the format and knows what they're doing so doing your own learning curve must feel harder than when we were all going wtf together.

I'd sign up for a rapist category (if I raced). Wouldn't bother me in the slightest, cos I know I'm not one.

But are you [i]really[/i] unable to understand that people other than yourself, men and women included, would object to events trivialising and normalising rape as part of a wider culture in which we all exist, and why such objections might be valid?

I refer you back to Northwind's comment. 70 women sold-out Airmaiden.

12 out of 278 were women in the last Scottish Enduro Series round.

I'd say they've got the marketing spot on from those stats.

It'd have probably sold out anyway, given that it was marketed as a women-only event. The category names aren't part of the marketing, they're secondary to the the fact it's women-only and you'd only discover them if you looked at the event website after having decided to look at the website after the marketing had hauled you in. The thought process might go-

1. Oh, a women-only enduro, that sounds like it might be good fun. I think I'll enter*.
2. Oh, I see what they've done with the age/experience category names there- very (funny/droll/wacky/dull/must try harder)**

* Not me personally, it's too far away
** delete as applicable.

It's the 'women-only' and the fact that will have spread across various FB groups that's the marketing here, not the category names.

Again, meh, no froth/rage/whatever here. I'm not angry, just [i]disappointed[/i] 😆

[quote=DezB ]Maybe that was the idea - it sold out, so less disappointed people (wimminz).

Yeah, I suggested that earlier as a piss take. Presumably if they don't sell out next time they'll consider changing the category names?

[quote=Northwind ]And something else I should have mentioned- the proportion of novice racers or first-time enduro racers was off the scale.

I'm not sure of the relevance of that - I think everybody agrees the events must be great. Are people really suggesting that the category naming actually results in some people entering who wouldn't have otherwise?

Are people really suggesting that the category naming actually results in some people entering who wouldn't have otherwise?

That was my point in my last post, the category names aren't part of the marketing, it's the 'women-only' bit that did all the heavy lifting.

aracer - Member

I'm not sure of the relevance of that

The relevance is that it proves what a total success the event is despite people's enthusiastic fault finding.