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I've had a learn to jump course booked at Farmer John's that's been cancelled twice now, bah 🙁
No time to rebook before we're going away but as time's booked off work already, maybe I'll go there anyway by myself.
Never been there and can't jump very well... will I die? Ok with some jumps if they're not too big or steep or scary, same with drops. I'd rather not die or break myself/my bike just two days before we go on holiday (where I hope to ride Fort William).
Thoughts?
You can easily be ride the jumps without jumping, plus there's a steep woods section at the bottom.
Yeah i'd still go and have a mess around. The steep woods section has a fair few tracks through it which are fun to session.
As Keefezza says most of the jumps are rollable anyway. Take a look at ben cathros video 'how to jump' -
this taught me the basics before having any coaching.
I've been dying to visit Farmer John's but I haven't found the time yet. I'm also crap at jumping. If anyone wants to go along and be terrible together let me know.
I live within walking distance of Farmer John's. I have been several times, but only on foot to watch / photograph races or en route to somewhere else. I can't jump. Actually that's not true, I CAN jump I just have fear of doing so as I'm not sure I can land safely.
I really should go up there and learn
@sharkattack i'd be up for that, next couple of weeks are hectic though.
Could look at a group coaching session if there's a few of us
I'm free Friday to Monday every week because I'm a bloody part timer. School holidays though innit, once the Mrs goes back to work it's party time.
Ok, I'll probably get along there later this evening and have a play around 🙂
What's the worst that could happen?
I'd be up for going. I also can't jump but it's only 10 mins from mine so I should make the effort.
Edit: did I see somewhere that full face helmets were mandatory...? That cuts me out...
Second edit: website says full face helmets are mandatory. And they don't hire them. I knew there was a reason I'd not been there other than just being a bit crap!
What’s the worst that could happen?
https://singletrackmag.com/2022/11/machete-gang-targets-mountain-bikers
I didn't actually want that question answered, thank you very much!
@crazy-legs Yes they are. I got a 7idp M1 from Tredz, seems the most affordable at £65
TBF that article is a couple of years old, though someone had their e-bike taken at knifepoint in Whaley Bridge a couple of days ago
and likewise, I don't have a full face helmet
I may be there Sunday with the wife and 2 boys (13 yes old been before and oozes confidence, 9yr olds first trip) if anybody goes there. I'll be on a rocketmax so say hi.
Ok, that was great. Everything's a lot bigger/harder/steeper than it looks on Youtube!
Explored everywhere and even went down the steep bit in the woods, had a couple of "ohshitohshitohshitimgonnadie" moments but made it down alive, rode maybe 80-90% of it. Gave me a new respect for downhillers, seeing that kind of thing up close!
The line of jumps in the car park is great for practising, I probably spent about 45mins just there, determined to make that double cleanly before going home... didn't quite manage, but got much better overall. Some of the people there just make it look so effortless.
10/10 would go again
I've been meaning to go there for some time. I've a full face helmet in the shed, unused for about 10yrs other than the colony of wasps that made their home in it a couple of years ago. If a visit is sorted I'm in in principle
The line of jumps in the car park is great for practising, I probably spent about 45mins just there, determined to make that double cleanly before going home… didn’t quite manage, but got much better overall. Some of the people there just make it look so effortless.
Take a slightly longer run up. Skim/squash the first three small tables/lumps. The third little table is key, you need to land it perfectly on the downslope to get a crank in before the double. With a reasonable pop you will clear it and cruise on to overshoot all but one of the rest of the jumps!
Edit: Most people seem to hang about on the jumps, the surfaced tracks and less so the woods. You sort of need two different suspension setups to ride both optimally. Rock hard for the jumps and much softer for the DH tracks.
If the timing is right I could be up for a session here, never been but would love to give it a try.
FYI the first jump from the top start hut, after the drops is the cause of many having to take an early bath at A&E. It's no where near the biggest most daunting feature, but probably the most dangerous for first-timers in the park! You come barrelling into it off the drops and can get bucked to oblivion if you're not ready, as the takeoff is surprisingly abrupt and the landing way too small.
When you get the hang of it, you can either brake check and land on the downslope or **** it, pull up and boom it to flat. There is a better option of taking the bigger left-hand jump line, which although bigger rides better!
Good advice, thanks.
Fair comment on the jump, it is a kicky little number. Some of those in the middle aren't great either but I'm terrible at jumping.
Looking like we're going tomorrow now.
Thanks for the post about this. Booked a session for junior #1 and #2 for 1:1 coaching there, and I'll ask for a jumps and drops session.
Does anyone know if there's anything in the area to entertain a toddler? I really want to go over there for the first time and I can either go solo or take the Mrs and Junior. I'm sure they'd spectate for a but he'd be bored in an hour. It looks like there's not much around according to google maps.
There's a soft play in a mill building in Marple.
The same Etherow woods FJs is in are nice for short walks and there's a cafe by the lake. Different way in though, but not far.
We're local and have a 2 yr old... there's a decent options tbh...
Either the park/playground at Memorial Park up the road in Marple. Or there's a small 'farm' at Roman Lakes (Google The Garden House - Marple). Can either park there, or park at Marple Bridge car park - behind the Midland pub, and walk along a footpath next to the River Goyt to the Garden House that way. There's also the canal and locks which my lad enjoys seeing ducks, narrow boats, etc...
Other option is Etherow Country Park - can get busy but always a space. My lad loves it there.
Libby's in Marple Bridge does nice cake's, etc.. to take-away also.
Does anyone know if there’s anything in the area to entertain a toddler?
Take the toddler over to the Garden House on lakes road, there's a playground and animals to stroke and look at. It's a really nice walk from the back of the car park in Marple Bridge to the garden house, then stop for a pint in the Norfolk arms afterwards
Nice one, thanks for the info. Wasn't expecting so many options! Might try it out next week some time.
Well there you go point proven. Here it is on this weeks Friday Fails #328.
Caning it then bucked to oblivion. Which one of you lot was it?
To think the jump has been reshaped twice, it used to be worse!
FYI the first jump from the top start hut, after the drops is the cause of many having to take an early bath at A&E. It’s no where near the biggest most daunting feature, but probably the most dangerous for first-timers in the park! You come barrelling into it off the drops and can get bucked to oblivion if you’re not ready, as the takeoff is surprisingly abrupt and the landing way too small.
When you get the hang of it, you can either brake check and land on the downslope or **** it, pull up and boom it to flat. There is a better option of taking the bigger left-hand jump line, which although bigger rides better!
Well I chickened out of the drops at the top, so that's not a problem haha
They look fine on camera but HUGE and steep up close. They're my second target, after getting that double...
Im potentially dropping the Eldest and his mate off at Farmer Johns, is there riding nearby to kill several hours or is it better to go Hayfield or somewheree and head into the Peak trails that I know.?
I'd just go from there scruff. There are loads of tracks over the moor to Hayfield and then onwards into the Peak. Or you could do a dense ride within that section [Marple Charlesworth Hayfield New Mills] and not repeat yourself.
Im potentially dropping the Eldest and his mate off at Farmer Johns, is there riding nearby to kill several hours or is it better to go Hayfield or somewheree and head into the Peak trails that I know.?
Either works fine - there are loads of options from FJ to head out to Disley, New Mills and on to Hayfield or even just mess around in the trails and paths between FJ and Mellor / Roman Lakes / Disley then up and over Chinley Churn, across to Coldwell Clough, maybe up the cobbled climb by Kinder Res and back down 20 Trees, then Thornsett, Rowarth, Ludworth Moor and back to FJ.
A look on Strava heatmaps should give you a few options. Some of it might be footpath although around here I wouldn't worry too much about the technicalities.
Post up on here when you're doing it, there's probably someone local who can show you around, join you for some of it etc. I'm WFH most of next week. There's a few forum regulars around the Marple / Disley / New Mills / Hayfield sort of area.
Thanks for the route advice. I did an antoclockwise route round to Kinder reservoir. It was all quite lovely and the youth were buzzing from Farmer Johns, Impressive what they've done with that place, full of kids jumping bikes off jumps, brilliant .
Following on from the "can't jump" bit... any advice about handling the drops there?
Specifically the ones at the top and the one going into a bombhole type dip a little further down?
I can handle the car park drop fine. Are these actually so much harder? They look much (much) more daunting, but maybe it's just because they're on a steep hill or blind. It may be perception and they're not *that* much bigger and may even be easier as they land on a larger downslope so they're harder to case.
TL;DR: Will I die?
Specifically the ones at the top and the one going into a bombhole type dip a little further down
The top ones have changed a bit since I last went. There a bit smaller than when they were made of wood! The landings are quite harsh for there size and although there's a sloped landing, they feel similar to flat drops. But still nothing a reasonable FS bike and competent rider can't handle. It's just a flat drop like a kerb but bigger. The only difference is the amount of time you spend in the air and how harsh the landing is!
The bomb hole type dip. I assume you mean the one with the dry stone takeoff? It's actually one of the best built and easiest drops I've ever done anywhere. It's so well built and smooth you can hardly tell you have left the ground! For steep drops you can go slower and sort of dive into them if that makes sense. Just make sure you don't crumple at the bottom of the compression and get flung out of the next jump all out of shape!
So in other words you've got two different types of drop, flat (the top ones) and steep (bomb hole) landing. If you're used to the slightly different technique for each you'll piss it. It goes without saying, don't do anything stupid like panic brake before going off or the deadly stopping the back wheel with your arse (easier to do with 29nr) by going too far back off the bike!
I always tackle drops like I am going to ride it out no matter what happens i.e. looking ahead, straight off, brace for impact. At the end of the day the bikes suspension and frame bare the brunt of it before you do.
We're of to FJ's over the holidays - going to do a recce before Daughter races there in May.
Am I right that we just turn up and pay on the day and don't need to book in advance?
Thanks
But still nothing a reasonable FS bike and competent rider can't handle.
the deadly stopping the back wheel with your arse (easier to do with 29nr) by going too far back off the bike!
I have a 29er hardtail. I'm sure it'll be fine 😂
If I can go too slow off the car park one and survive casing that then it sounds like I'll be fine going off these. Just a matter of working up the nerve!
Thanks
Am I right that we just turn up and pay on the day and don't need to book in advance?
Yes 👍
We went yesterday - myself and daughter.
We got there just before 10:00 and had the place to ourselves for a good couple of hours as most of the schools up that way had gone back.
Cafe wasn't open - I assumed it would be as school holidays, but as above they'd finished.
Car park line was good for warming up on.
We went on to the upper trails which were fun - I'm not a great jumper but they were all squashable etc.
Nice to see proper wooden features too.
We tried the woods section for a bit but struggled to work out which bits linked up with which - we also noticed that no one else entered the woods at all during the day....
I got a bit fed up with the top sections after a couple of hours so I sat out for a bit and watched/offered advice to Daughter on a couple of sections.
Around lunchtime it started to get a bit busier with quite a few kids and a couple of adults.
I noticed with a fair few of the kids that there seemed very little technique - all very nose heavy off the drops - relying on speed to get them off it and land ok, which worked for a fair few but there were a couple of offs - although these seemed to be fixed by more speed!
For £12 for the day I thought it was pretty good value, just a pity that the trails aren't a bit more cohesive - there looked to be some good lines in the woods.