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So here it is, would have liked to have got it built earlier this week, but been very busy at work. Off down the FoD on Sunday to christen it anyway...
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Far from everyones cup of tea, in fact this is going to be even more Marmite than the Following I reckon, but... It promises to be a very blunt object with which to beat the trails into submission, and that'll do nicely for me. Quick pedal round the carpark reveals that it feels (as you would expect) a lot like a following but with more travel.
Looks quite mice. Saddle would probably benefit from being a bit higher though.. 😉
Drive would be enhanced by a sweep.
Delta-weegle-box thingy looks very weegly and boxy.
What happened to your last one?
White wrims wrong
Other than that well nice
Reminds me of a stumpjumper I had in like 1996 ( the colour)
I have been considering selling a kidney/hoppy Jr to fund one based on the blazing bikes demo one. Not sure on the white detailing there but the build spec looks good.
I lov that frame, but white rims need to be black dude! I just got ride of mine on my similarly coloured yeti for the same reason. An awesome looking frame.
You can barely see any cracks in those photos!
White mudguard needs to go too
Not keen on the white rims at all, and the bottom of the head tube looks a bit too chunky relative to the forks but very nice apart from that
Whatever you do, DONT review it 😉
Do a saddle up pic
I can't say I'm a fan of [the appearance of] evil bikes but nor can I say that doesn't look fun.
The white rims are fine by me, it's the very (practical I'm sure) down tube curving so far behind the head tube that really gets me
yossarian - Member
Whatever you do, DONT review it
aaaawww don't be mean! "ERMERGHERD I LOVE MY NEW BIKE" reviews are the best reviews!
Looks great to me and posts like this are likely to do severe damage to my financial situation in the near future. I couldn't give a toss about the white rims. these things are expensive so any savings you can make are welcome (assuming the white rims are cheaper). Anyway if the bike is as good as it looks then they'll be mud coloured most of the time.
For the record, I really enjoyed his 'the following' review and it's the next bike I'm buying.
The responses were hilarious though.
Saddle would probably benefit from being a bit higher though
Precisely 6 inches (ooer missus!) higher per chance? 😉
Drive would be enhanced by a sweep.
If it was my driveway I'd agree...
Delta-weegle-box thingy looks very weegly and boxy.
BIG innit?!?! Houses a long old shock in there to be fair to it.
What happened to your last one?
About to be stripped and frame sold to another forum member... Will miss it but can always get another if this proves too much! 😥
White wrims wrong
Cheap and they stand out... This bike is a demo bike (though I will get to ride it a fair bit), I'd rather have to replace a rim at £40 than one at 2 or 3 times the price! It may well gain some carbon rims in the future for my own use 😛
Headtube is kind of disgusting tbh and the logos are proper rubbish. But everything else is awesome.
looks ace, love the colour, love the white contrast bits. Even the Headtube and logo
you must be chuffed . 😀
I know its got wagon wheels but looks a little too steep in the HA to be in proportion for some reason.
Otherwise if Evil now have their QA and CS in order and I could afford one I'd have one.
EDIT:...and nowt wrong with white rims OP!
Whatever you do, DONT review it
PMSL 😆
assuming the white rims are cheaper
Yeah for sure... Lots cheaper as they're old stock!
looks ace, love the colour, love the white contrast bits. Even the Headtube and logo
you must be chuffed .
The proof will be in the pudding riding it, but quick car park test confirms it feels very much like a Following but with 30% more travel (which basically it is) and a bit more weight. Got a LOT of shock and fork fiddling to do before Sunday though as both the Lyrik's and the dual chamber monarch are new to me. Hoping I can get a good setup with the Lyrik as last Pike I had I wasn't that impressed with even with loads of tokens in.
too steep in the HA to be in proportion for some reason.
Optical illusion I think, it's just over 66 deg HA Right now, and about 65.5 if I flip the chips to lower the BB.
Otherwise if Evil now have their QA and CS in order and I could afford one I'd have one.
I sold 7 Following's last year, they're all still going strong (and there's plenty more out there from other shops too)... Their rep was badly tarnished for sure, but they're certainly well on the mend...
I think there's just a 29er optical illusion tbh, I was half convinced that I'd put the angleset in my BMC the wrong way round or something but the forks do measure 65 degrees- they just don't look like it. My Remedy's the same.
I did the long travel 29" thing a few years ago, and wasn't overly bothered with it then.
I can see the appeal of a Smuggler, something short travel & fun, longer? Not bothered.
Did you keep the seat down to hide the ridiculously slack seat angle? 😉
Put the bloody seat up and show it off properly .
Put the bloody seat up and show it off properly .
For the XC Jeyboy's amongst us... 😉
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Did you keep the seat down to hide the ridiculously slack seat angle?
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Does look odd I'll grant you, but as long as you're not too long in the leg, the effective seat angle (which slackens as you raise the saddle due to starting way in front of the BB) isn't too bad.
I can see the appeal of a Smuggler, something short travel & fun, longer? Not bothered.
The Following was absolutely awesome bike, way more capable than its travel and the 29er wheels would suggest. This is the logical progression though... Time will tell, and at least I'm in the fortunate position I can downsize back to a Following at will if this is too much bike... That said, have you seen the Yeti SB5.5C? Mmmmmmm 😛
Isn't that seat angle a bit Maverick?
Odd looking thing is that.
Sure it rides amazing though.
Like mboy says the effective seat angle is pretty normal, it's just that the seat tube doesn't aim at the BB like in most bikes.
Did make me wonder though, I've had reverbs in slack seat-tubed bikes before and found they get a bit temperamental, I don't think they like the side loading much, and this looks to be a few degrees slacker than mine were...
Isn't that seat angle a bit Maverick?
Very much so, but then Mavericks weren't actually all that slack, it was an illusion caused by the bent seat tube.
Besides, until I owned my first Evil, my Maverick Durance is/was my favourite bike I've owned in 20 odd years of MTBing anyway! I have also owned an Intense Tazer FS at one point though, now that thing was slaaaaaaaack...
Sure it rides amazing though.
I'm sure hoping so. The Following will be a tough act to follow, but all reports from US owners that have had them for a couple of months already are that it's just like the Following but on steroids!
Did make me wonder though, I've had reverbs in slack seat-tubed bikes before and found they get a bit temperamental
I've found the key to Reverb ownership... Just expect that it's going to break soon enough, so buy them new from a UK source so you get a full UK warranty (which means they will fix or replace asap) and have another bike to ride in the meantime.
I've only had to warranty 1 Reverb in 10 months of Following ownership, which is way better than average for me. On my old HT, I killed 3 in less time than that!
I demand thepodge gives his/her opinion a sap! Is this a progressive geometry or not?
Does look odd I'll grant you, but as long as you're not too long in the leg, the effective seat angle (which slackens as you raise the saddle due to starting way in front of the BB) isn't too bad.
I think with my height the seat would be back by the rear axle - that picture just highlights what people are complaining about.
That said, have you seen the Yeti SB5.5C? Mmmmmmm
Yeah, that's like being the meat in a potential warranty buttf*cking nightmare sandwich. Still, you could have fun betting on who's going to hurt you first.
I think i'll continue waiting patiently for the carbon Smuggler 🙂
Oh dear, this has given me the giggles.
In the absence of Podge I'll step into the breach and point out that the geometry is about average for current bikes, a bit short for my me and certainly not "long".
I'm never gonna be paying the best part of £3k for a plastic frame from a company with a chequered history of customer service, but even if I was - I'd be looking for something with a sleeker and less fussy/confused aesthetic.
Same colour, much more my cup of tea looks-wise...
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Honestly hope you enjoy it though mboy - and don't let the negative responses (like this one) stop you posting.
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In the absence of Podge I'll step into the breach and point out that the geometry is about average for current bikes, a bit short for my me and certainly not "long".
I quite agree, and hopefully is all the better for it. It's longer and slacker than bikes most of us were riding only 3/4 years ago, but I've got quite a short torso and long legs for my height (5ft10) so much longer and it'd be too big for me. For instance, Whyte's G-160 is too big for me in a medium, I preferred the fit of the small, and I wouldn't even know where to start on a Mojo Nicolai Geometron other than asking them to make the ETT and reach a bit shorter for me!
Same colour, much more my cup of tea looks-wise...
Tried a Smuggler out last year, albeit briefly. Felt too steep in the seat angle and a bit too long to me, pedalled very well for a 4 bar though. Get the feeling it's been designed around taller people than I am. Maybe I should have tried a small?
uld be back by the rear axle - that picture just highlights what people are complaining about.
Yeah but if you're tall, you'd run a large or XL sized frame not this medium I'd assume? The seat masts are longer and slightly more upright for each respective size as they get bigger.
Yeah, that's like being the meat in a potential warranty buttf*cking nightmare sandwich. Still, you could have fun betting on who's going to hurt you first.
The SB5c and SB6c seem pretty reliable so far and have been on the market a couple of years. Granted the SB66 had its issues, but the newer models seen more reliable. Just the same as Evil have turned a corner on their woes of the past...
I did the long travel 29" thing a few years ago, and wasn't overly bothered with it then.
Just curious but what were you riding? Different bikes have vastly different characters of course...
Honestly hope you enjoy it though mboy - and don't let the negative responses (like this one) stop you posting.
Don't worry, loved my Following so this should be more of the same. Can understand why they're not for everyone, we're all different, but a few nay Sayers on here ain't gonna make a bit of difference to my enjoyment of the bike!
you forgot single piviot
Nice frame colorway but it's an ugly design fush-ho (i too prefer the trannie). H2R regardless.
I know it's an EVIL71A3 as it says so on the downtube but not everyone here is a bike nerd, so with that in mind, can i ask what kind of Evil it is?
Good looking bike, hope it rides with a similar feel to the short travel following, a friend has one & raves about it.
I've ridden a insurgent & was very impressed with it, very stiff & point it down hill & it was a mini DH bike.
I wish I'd been able to demo one before getting my hightower, couldn't say no as I got a incredible deal on the frame, look forward to reading about how you get on with it.
Each to there own re bike choices, I really don't get slagging some one else's choice of bike.
Euro, it's a 'Wreckoning'
Also, 'Wrothless Wrarranty'
You're nearly as up to date as the kids making jokes about why Skoda's have heated rear windows Rorschach! Impressive stuff...
Anyway...
Up early, the sun is shining, today is going to be a good day! Very unimpressed with Rockshox QC (AGAIN!!!) though, the lowers on these Lyrik's barely had any oil in the lowers. Last pair of SID's we had were bone dry from the factory, and one customer had to warranty some 5 ride old Rebas cos the stanchions were already scored because again, they were bone dry from the factory! TAKE NOTE guys, if you buy a Rockshox product these days, take it apart and get the correct fluids in there before you even ride it!
chestrockwell - I demand thepodge gives his/her opinion a sap! Is this a progressive geometry or not?
This bike does nothing for me.
For anyone interested...
Got 20 odd miles, most of it quite technical, in at the FoD yesterday...
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First impressions?
It feels, as you would imagine, quite a lot like a Following but with more travel. You do notice that it's taller though, less of a feeling of being in the bike and slightly more perched on top when compared to the Following.
Climbing wise, it doesn't feel much different to the Following, which is a good thing. It's a bit heavier for sure, but it's barely noticable, and for a 160mm travel bike it climbs very well. The one thing I did notice, is that despite the optical illusion, the seat angle feels ever so slightly steeper than on the Following for my correct saddle height, which is no bad thing.
Didn't get much of a chance to get it up to speed, most of the trails we were riding were relatively low speed technical stuff, will comment more on its high speed and big terrain ability more when I've been somewhere like BPW on it, but it definitely wants to go fast. On the slow(er) speed technical stuff, where I've absolutely loved the Following, the Wreckoning feels slightly taller and less wieldy by comparison.
Only one ride done though, got to mess about with settings a bit as didn't bottom out either end, and the bars feel like they need to go lower still (part of the problem with big travel 29ers I guess!), so got some more messing about to do yet to get 100% happy on it.
Ooh that looks lovely ! (The yeti in the first pic)
Kidding , Glad first ride went well, update when you get it dialed in
Ooh that looks lovely ! (The yeti in the first pic)
Haha, you're bang on... I built it for him, and he gave me pretty much carte Blanche on most of the spec! 😆
Have you noticed any difference with Flows rather than the Enve's?
Have you noticed any difference with Flows rather than the Enve's?
Big time!
Have had the ENVE's up for sale for a couple of weeks now cos they're on normal, non boost CK hubs... The plan was when they sell to then get some new Carbon Boost Hubbed wheels for it to replace the Flows. I'm already considering re-lacing these rims (and getting new stickers) this week in time for the Mini Enduro at FoD this weekend!
Don't get me wrong, Flows are very good, but I've really got used to the ENVE's, and this bike more so than the Following feels like it would benefit from really stiff wheels.
Seen you Enve's up for sale, very tempted for my smuggler!! But using my face as a break recently has resulted in some spend on a new lid etc etc!! 😆
Get on the case mate, they're a steal at that price even if I do say so myself! 😉
Seriously though, got a killer deal on some new E13 TRSr carbon wheels, but they're out of stock for a few weeks. The ENVE's are amazing, but I CBA with buying boost hubs, new spokes, and all for what is a 2yr old (though VGC) pair of rims.
Right, got the morning off (perks of being your own boss!), and back down the FoD again in the morning... Gonne give it a bit more stick again this time, see if I can really wind the bike up! 😀
Whats the inside measurement of the Enves? looked on ENVE website & they say M60's are suitable upto 2.25 but surely they can take bigger tyres than that???
Cheers
Just seen your email yorkycsi, will respond that way...
Ridden it twice now, and... Well it's epic! I was worried I'f prefer the Following, but this thing really has no downsides! With that in mind, I've now nicked a few of the bits off my Following...
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Changed the bars and stem out for my preferred Burgtec items, Minion DHR2/DHF combo on for the Mini Enduro at the FoD tomorrow, and swapped the saddle out for my super comfy (yet crazy design) Fizik.
Got a few PR's on the bike on its 2nd run out, and the Following isn't an easy act to follow by any means!
Do you know where I could buy one? 😛
2 or 3 dealers within 25 miles or so of you Stu so I'm told...
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Looks very purposeful and loads better with black bars
I won't miss you if I see you tomorrow on that!
Yeah you won't miss me fathomer! I'll be the one whose bike is doing the most compensating for my skills there... 😉
How you getting on with your Wreckoning? A mate has both a wreckoning and a following and races competitively in Enduro and DH.
He thinks that he'll probably keep the following and sell the wreckoning as the following is the better all round bike.
How you getting on with your Wreckoning? A mate has both a wreckoning and a following and races competitively in Enduro and DH.
He thinks that he'll probably keep the following and sell the wreckoning as the following is the better all round bike.
It probably is the better "all round" bike but is he not finding the Wreckoning better for his racing, more of a specialist application?
Spent about half an hour late last night, writing an in depth and considered response, then fell asleep on the sofa! Laptop died and everything lost... Haha. Anyway...
So, I've been getting the miles in on the bike... 170 miles on it, mostly off road so far. Everything from local XC miles to the FoD Mini Enduro, Dyfi Enduro and some bonkers steep natural stuff at Afan. It's had a good mix thrown at it already.
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So the Elephant in the room... Is the Wreckoning as good as the Following?
Well no... And yes... Basically, it's complicated.
How so? Well Joe Public thought Evil was a bit bonkers making the Following, a super slack 120mm 29er trail bike with an obvious bias on descending, at the time the most extreme bike in its already niche class. Since then, many people have realised the merits of the formula and bought a Following. Almost universally, those that have ridden them, love them. So where does the Wreckoning come in...?
Well could you imagine 3 years ago, a company saying they were going to make a 160mm travel 29er and expecting to get taken seriously? Evil have acknowledged that they conceived the Wreckoning before the Following even, but realised that it was too extreme to release onto the world, and had to bring another bike out first (the Following) that would ease the path of acceptance towards a 160mm travel 29er. The Following is so good at descending (not just good for a 29er, or good for a 120mm bike, just good full stop) that it has had many people, myself included, asking "what if it had just that bit more travel, how much better would it be then?"
The answer is a resounding "wow"... Any shortcomings (largely dictated by the amount of travel on burlier terrain) the Following had on the descents are gone, whilst all the good bits remain. My standard one line answer when people ask me what's the Wreckoning like compared to the Following is a very Spinal Tap-esque "it's just like the Following, but with the volume turned up to 11". It's been a while since I've ridden a cutting edge DH bike, but I can see how the likes of Luke Strobel & Toni Ferreiro are so damned fast on this bike. I'm a pretty average rider at best, the Following made me look good on descents, the Wreckoning steps that up a notch further!
Downsides?
Well, predictably, with all that travel and 1lb extra frame weight, it doesn't climb quite as well. The fact that it climbs incredibly well for a 160mm travel bike (it really does!) is irrelevant when comparing it with the Following. Both are very good climbers, but the Following is lighter and the shorter travel rewards your efforts on the pedals slightly more. So what you've gained in one hand (total confidence in the bike on the descents) you've lost in the other.
Then there's the fact the slack actual seat angle (the effective isn't too slack for most) decreases the effective seat angle the higher the saddle. So if you've got relatively long legs for your height, you'll struggle to get a good seated pedalling position sadly. At 5ft10 with a 33" inside leg on a medium, I've got my saddle shunted forward on the seatpost rails a bit, but I'm more than happy with the saddle position for seated pedalling. It's worth trying to get a demo on one (happy to help in this respect for any medium sized riders) if at all possible to check it will fit.
And then there's the cost. The Following isn't cheap at £2499 frame only, the Wreckoning is £400 more. You've got to know it's the bike for you, put it that way!
If you've got this far, kudos to you. For those that have shouted I struggle with long sentences and want a brief summary, here goes...
The Wreckoning isn't quite as good an all round trail bike as the Following, but what it loses in climbing prowess it more than makes up for in its ability going down. 160mm of travel has never pedalled so well before, and rarely has it been as playful or as fun to ride. All this, and you've got the extra speed and grip of 29er wheels to boot! If you're the kind of rider that wants a bike to desroy all his mates/Strava PB's uphill and down, then the Following will blow your mind. If you don't look at your Strava times for the climbs, or you're not bothered who's first to the top of the trail out of you and your mates, but you absolutely most definitely want the biggest, sharpest tool in the box to go as fast as you possibly can on the descents, then the Wreckoning is what you need.
Either will put a massive grin on your face though, I'd just say that if pushed, the Following is a 5% better climber than the Wreckoning, but the Wreckoning is 10% better on the descents.
I'd just say that if pushed, the Following is a 5% better climber than the Wreckoning, but the Wreckoning is 10% better on the descents.
I think it massively depends on your skill level and the terrain. My friend (yeah I know my mate said blah blah) hasn't (yet) found a UK Enduro course where the Wreckoning is faster (for him). He does race on the continent as well so will have to ask him what he plans to take out there. But then again he knows nothing because he keeps banging on about 29'er wheels being faster and I keep going lalalalala can't hear you :D.
What is the nearest RAL colour to Megalodon Blue?
Whilst I have no interest in buying an Evil bike, that was a really well written and considered review, especially considering you own it.
Be k retesting to see how it compares to a Canfield riot which is in between the two evil bikes.
All good fun and 29ers are the way forward
Nice review, thanks. Never buying an Evil though. Ever.
Canfield Riot on the other hand...
I've been waiting with baited breath to see what they are like, particularly their durability in the UK slop.
That's quite a good review
I'm still not sure if trust an Evil but some interesting stuff there
Tho I think [b]Specialized[/b] may have something to say about this bit...
Well could you imagine 3 years ago, a company saying they were going to make a 160mm travel 29er and expecting to get taken seriously
mboy - MemberWell could you imagine 3 years ago, a company saying they were going to make a 160mm travel 29er and expecting to get taken seriously?
The Enduro was launched over 3 years ago. So, yes.
I think it massively depends on your skill level and the terrain. My friend (yeah I know my mate said blah blah) hasn't (yet) found a UK Enduro course where the Wreckoning is faster (for him). He does race on the continent as well so will have to ask him what he plans to take out there.
I'd agree entirely. And I suspect your mate is a hell of a lot better rider than I am too. Most of the U.K. Enduro stuff that I've ridden or seen, tends to be smoother than some of the bigger terrain continental courses are producing. I'm going on what I've heard from riders I know that have raced abroad too, but seems the UK stuff on the whole can be smoother and more pedally by contrast. I'm an average rider that likes to push my boundaries, but I'm no Enduro expert so happy to be told otherwise! That said, there's probably been some stuff I've ridden where the Following would have been at least as fast if not faster due to the very pedally nature of the course.
The skill level and confidence thing is also totally appropriate. I've hit some bigger terrain faster on the Wreckoning already as I know the 160mm of travel is going to deal with it a lot better than the 120mm on the Following would. A better rider probably wouldn't see an issue with the shorter travel and would use their skill to ride round it. One place I found the Following started to show its limitations due to its travel was on 50 Shades at BPW. Haven't yet taken the Wreckoning there (hope to soon) but it's this kind of terrain where simply having more travel makes a difference. In the hands of an expert rider, I don't doubt that the Following is as quick downhill, for us mere mortals sometimes that extra bit of skill compensation makes a difference! Don't get me wrong, as an all round trail bike, and probably the bike better suited to most of my riding, the Following is incredible. I'm just having so much fun on the Wreckoning right now, and not really noticing any drawbacks, that it makes me grin from ear to ear every time I ride it!
Tho I think Specialized may have something to say about this bit...
The pedant in me wants to point out that the Spesh is only 155mm of travel, but who's counting eh? 😉
Seriously though, has it been 3 years? Thought it was less than that! Time flies eh...
Be k retesting to see how it compares to a Canfield riot which is in between the two evil bikes.
Not ridden the riot myself, but know a man who has (as well as having owned a Following, but not ridden a Wreckoning yet). His take on it was that the Canfield was more forgiving owing to its travel, but the higher BB and super short back end made it feel less confidence inspiring on the descents than the Following and on the climbs, the hefty weight and the plush back end made it harder work than the Following. That's 2nd hand information from a guy I know, so don't take it as gospel, but he's a pretty good rider to be fair. Everything is subjective though, just because one person thinks one bike is the best thing since sliced bread, doesn't mean to say that the next person will like it at all...
What is the nearest RAL colour to Megalodon Blue?
I don't know sadly, but if anybody finds it, I'd love to know too. Sadly, my ex BG VW Caddy is a very slightly darker shade of blue (but only by a fraction, in some lights it looks the same)...
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This bike does nothing for me.
Ohhhhh Viennnnaaaaaaaaaaaaa
😆 @ TINAS
While I like to read these posts, I always think mboy should include a disclaimer about selling the things.
However impartial people try to be, the fact that someone has gone through the process of selecting a brand for your shop to sell does make someone pretty 'invested'.
It doesn't need to diminish the thoughts, but I think it's important.
Thx for the review mboy, Following is still right for me, since I like the boost for climbing and have yet to find its limits on a decent, my skills limit me before the bike does.
While I like to read these posts, I always think mboy should include a disclaimer about selling the things.
I did. Way back. As an independent shop I can pick and choose within reason what I want to sell... I was so taken with the Evil Following I bought one myself when they first arrived. Didn't even enter my head that I might sell some off the back of it as I thought it would be way too niche and nobody else would "get it". Seems I wasn't the only one either, as Evil didn't have many dealers at all for a while, and I was getting enquiries about frames just off the back of my Facebook posts and posts on this forum!
Besides, it's not as if there's a signature with a link to my shops website (or lack of still) or Facebook page at the bottom of every post! My van in the pic above isn't even signwritten still... 😉
A little mid term refresh...
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Have had the EThirteen TRSr wheels on for a couple of months now, and am very impressed indeed. Not as overtly stiff as my the ENVE's I had on my Following, but they were too stiff IMO. Just the right balance, and nice 28mm internal rim width.
And then there's the Elephant in the room... The Eagle 12spd! Well that's literally just been fitted, so not got any feedback on that yet other than it was just as easy to fit and setup as an 11spd system. Happy Days!
What else to report? Well I'm still as enamoured with the bike as the day I got it! It's an incredible machine. It's probably still too much bike for 90% of my riding, for which a Following is/was the better bike, but on the 10% this just has that extra 40mm of travel in reserve and the slightly slacker HA and longer wheelbase that give even more confidence when the going gets rough.
Stunning bike.
I'd love a wee go at eagle too...

