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I've just bought a CAADX (2015 Rival disk) as I'd been looking at the Boardmans for a while and it was too good a price to pass up.

It's currently in its original specification with heavy-ish wheels and Schwalbe Sammy-Slick tyres.

So I'm wondering
A) worth saving 150g/rim swapping to something like Stans Iron Cross ? Or would CX/Road rims turn out to be a bit fragile if used everyday outside the confines of a CX race?
B) Ditto tyres, I presume most CX tyres are soft compound and thin sidewalled intended for maximum muddy grip. What's more like a scaled down 'trail' tyre?

Planning to use it for a mix of commuting (with some other wheels and the slick tyres) and longer weekend rides off-road when I can't meet up with a roadie club.


 
Posted : 17/01/2018 10:35 pm
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I use Schwalbe G One 38mm on my Diverge. Pretty good tyres until it gets really muddy.

worth saving 150g/rim swapping to something like Stans Iron Cross

Not really no


 
Posted : 18/01/2018 6:43 am
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worth saving 150g/rim swapping to something like Stans Iron Cross ? Or would CX/Road rims turn out to be a bit fragile if used everyday outside the confines of a CX race?

Rather than faffing replacing the rims, I'd use the wheels as is for your use. Once some part of them is knackered beyond economical repair, I'd upgrade the complete wheelset to something like kinesis cx or similar, where you're more likely to notice the 700-800g weight difference.

For tyres.. again, I'd use what you've got then replace with something lighter/grippier when they've worn out from your commuting miles 🙂


 
Posted : 18/01/2018 6:52 am
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I am running WTB Riddler tires tubless on Stans Arch MTB rims.

The combination has proved to be very reliable so far!!!


 
Posted : 18/01/2018 7:20 am
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Rather than faffing replacing the rims, I'd use the wheels as is for your use. Once some part of them is knackered beyond economical repair, I'd upgrade the complete wheelset to something like kinesis cx or similar, where you're more likely to notice the 700-800g weight difference.

I'll probably commute on the original wheels, but the bridleways round here are often filthy so I think something other than semi slicks is going to be a necessity.

Downside of disk brakes is I expect to never wear wheels out again! I've got a spare set of hope hubs so no need to actually swap the rims, just build up another set on those, just wondering what rims to use for non-racing.

Can't find an exact figure but I'm guessing the Maddux rims are ~550g, so I could go 100g lighter easily but not sure how much I'd trust light rims. Although I suppose the other option is Chinese carbon.


 
Posted : 18/01/2018 7:46 am
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29er XC rims are plenty strong enough. I use Mavic XC421 rims on my gravel bike and they weigh 450 grams (and only cost £30)


 
Posted : 18/01/2018 8:12 am
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I use aileron velocity rims which are road / cx rims and I have smacked the crap out of them over the last two and a half years without an issue and am about 95kgs and clumsy. Mrs kilo uses grails and is a lot lighter and has no issues either. Tyres we use vittoria tubeless cx tyres never had any issues other than the odd puncture and they're OK on the road. We use the bikes for longish cx runs out rather than racing


 
Posted : 18/01/2018 8:20 am
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If you’re planning to use road tyres at any point, you’ll need road rims like Pacenti SL25s (425g) but if you’re planning on using big CX tyres, you might get away with Crest rims (370g)

Remember, tubeless and tyres might also save you another 200-250g per wheel and if you were to use like three spokes (Revs or Dlights) you’re probably liking at another 70g per wheel. All totalled, you’d be 450g per wheel lighter....that’s a pound in each wheel.


 
Posted : 18/01/2018 8:24 am
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Iron cross are plenty strong enough for non race scenarios, I bought some for race duties but use them all the time, including cack handed bashing down rocky trails and they've stood up to the abuse well. As Daffy says, their litiation is the low pressure limit. I think its 45psi, so putting road tyres on is suspect. For commuting i put on schwalbe 30mm g-one speeds and pump up to just under 50psi and they have been fine though


 
Posted : 18/01/2018 8:34 am
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If you’re planning to use road tyres at any point, you’ll need road rims like Pacenti SL25s (425g) but if you’re planning on using big CX tyres, you might get away with Crest rims (370g)

I'd stick with 35c tyres even on the road so low pressures wouldn't worry me too much.

Although I did once put 50psi in some 2,1 SB8's tubeless on crests and they blew off the rim so I'm a little wary of that option.

I've got a set of DT470 rims somewhere in the shed, hadn't considered using them, presumably at 470g they should be more than tough enough (I gave them a right pasting on my mtb ditto the crests) but they're a bit narrower with proper sidewalls (unlike stans stubby little bead hooks) so should cope with higher pressures better?


 
Posted : 18/01/2018 8:53 am
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I managed to drop a whole chunk of weight off my caadx by swapping from the standard 2.3kg Maddocs too a planet x parts bin special build. Cl25 rims, and an xt front and el guapo rear hub. Came in at 1.8kg.

Lost a further half pound swapping from the standard tyres to gravel Kings.

Total cost including tyres and dB spokes built by my lbs was around 260 quid


 
Posted : 18/01/2018 11:51 am
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I ran 37c tyres on Crest rims for 2 years at 48psi (and no more) without problems.


 
Posted : 18/01/2018 12:58 pm
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Mavic Open Pro's hand built on to whatever hubs take your fancy?

After destroying the factory built wheels that came on my Cotic X commuter/gravel bike the shop re-built them with Open Pro's. 15,000km of gravel, cobbles and road later and they're true and reliable. I've run 35c cyclocross tyres and 28c road tyres with no dramas. Support you local shop and go hand built...it will be worth it!

I got fed up of swapping tyres in the end and settled on Schwalbe CX Pro which work well on both and have a puncture strip. They can be found for about £15 each.


 
Posted : 18/01/2018 1:03 pm
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I've got the same bike, the Sammy Slicks are actually a decent tyre for road use, there a pretty fast rolling tyre if you are using the bike for commuting and mostly road use, I used mine for commuting, off road use (in summer with the Sammy slicks) sportives and general road riding at weekends and they never punctured once, however, they do wear out pretty quickly if your putting the miles in, once worn you’ll loose that grip and you’ll soon know about it in the wet, it will start feeling twichy on the back end, not what you want in winter!

I changed to some continental CX Race tyres for winter and for racing (when I’d got a summers wear out of the sammy’s) much nobblier tyre but loads of grip and more suited for off road and mud, general winter riding etc. The stock wheels have been very good too to be fair over the last few years I’ve had the bike, might not be the lightest but they have been strong and stayed true.


 
Posted : 18/01/2018 4:56 pm

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