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are they taking the pish or what?
always bought endure stuff as it was cheapish and half reliable.
just had a look at their new stuff.
I wont be bothering no more.
I think most outdoor clothing has the 'outdoor cool' tax applied.
Compare cost of half decent running baselayers, windproofs etc with cycling or hillwalking gear.
Compare some of the more basic things from Decathlon etc.
I *do* agree that there is a difference - any Regatta/Tog24/Craghoppers etc that we have bought has not lasted as long as say ME/Patagonia/Montane gear. I would also say the expensiver stuff is generally better cut.
Cycling is 'in' at the moment and that means £10+ on every single product extra 'outdoor cool' tax.
There's a marketing phrase for this, I forgot what it's called, but a lot these brands try to sell to everyone at all price points rather than targeting a single group.
The new stuff is expensive to get as much as they can from the people with money to burn who want the branding or the latest kit. If you can't or won't spend that much there's always sales or vouchers for last season's stuff that make it affordable.
They now do a 'Liteville' branded top which I thought might be quite nice to have as I ride a Liteville...
It was about £80 for one 🙁
I would also say the expensiver stuff is generally better cut.
Than Endura? Damning praise. There's a roll of sacks under my sink that are better cut than most Endura kit I've tried/owned.
Than Endura? Damning praise.
Nope. I have not bought Endura for years for me after a pair of bibs fell apart and a pair of singletrack shorts. My old, old singletrack shorts refuse to die though. Mrs_OAB has two Endura ladies XS/size8 lycra shorts that are same model, just a year apart, and they are totally different size.
IMO, there is much better for the money.
I *do* agree that there is a difference – any Regatta/Tog24/Craghoppers etc that we have bought has not lasted as long as say ME/Patagonia/Montane gear. I would also say the expensiver stuff is generally better cut.
Are you sure it's not how you treat it ??
In general I find the stuff like zips and fasteners can be greatly different ... whereas the actual material even on the cheapest stuff seems pretty robust... (at least any ripstop stuff)
As an extreme example: I have a set of shorts I really dislike... absolute crap... "funkier" they didn't last 10 minutes ... they were so crap they didn't get to the trails... I literally sat down in the car and the 1st zip snapped... (there are about 10-12 zips... and all of them snapped over a few rides) ..
The stitching looks so bad it's beyond blind monkeys ... and the material is really thin (the main reason I wanted some light summer shorts and they were cheap)
The thing is I've wiped out on all sorts... but the material hasn't torn at all...
I guess the point is that the outer materials all seem to be the same... perhaps different DWP treatments but whereas when I was younger the fabrics were a distinguishing feature now it doesn't seem so... and the stuff like zips and buttons seem to be what gives.
If you get the decent fastenings on the cheaper I don't think much of the high end stuff is that different...
That said I was wearing a 30 year old fleece yesterday... back from when Karrjmor were made in Accrington and it hardly looks work at all....
My old, old singletrack shorts refuse to die though.
Mine too, the cut was so bad I never wore them
MTB has become a much more fashion-driven 'lifestyle' sport than it was, and lots of brands know their customers have plenty of dosh and want to look good on their Go-pro edits. Mix the two and you get massively overpriced kit. Can't blame brands for taking as much money as they can from the vain or naive. They're businesses, not charities. Endura seemed less guilty than others, but perhaps that's changed now.
cheapish and half reliable
Maybe* it's now twice the price and fully reliable? Same VFM at that point.
There's also the Movistar Grand Tour team, Trek World racing and Danny Mac to cover the costs of sponsoring...
*I still have nagging doubts over Endura's QC. Shame as for the most part the kit is well designed and fits me pretty well now
If you haven't ridden the new endura kit then you'll be surprised.
The road kit is easily as nice as the top end castelli, if not nicer.
The MTR kit is also top notch.
Enduras pro SL road jersey is like 80 quid, castelli is over 140. How is that unreasonable?
Are you sure it’s not how you treat it ??
Pretty sure. I am also trying to filter out any preference for cooler gear too....
As an example: Youngest_oab has a Patagonia kids Torrentshell. It is three years old, daily in school bag, goes MTB'ing, walking etc. It is still waterproof and all zips work. Eldest_OAB has a Montane small mens Atomic. Again, daily abuse with more at weekends. Still all bits work.
Middle_OAB had a Regatta jacked - zips lasted about 6 months, and waterproofing less than a year.
This is the reverse of a couple of years ago - middle_OAB had Salomon, other two had cheap. Cheap didn't last.
Had a few bits of Endura over the years and the quality is ok, but the cut is pretty poor. Religiously ride in 7Mesh gear, yes it's expensive, but the cut is beyond exceptional, it is incredibly durable and it has a nice, understated look to it that is about as far away from glorified MX pyjamas you can get (Yes I'm looking at you, Fox, whose quality also leaves far too much to be desired!)
not sure the items people are saying have bad cuts,
the mt500 jacket and my hummvee jacket werent great, but shorts wise,
they fit and are shaped so much better than other brands, i have bombproof singletrack, MTR, MT500 all quality
are you shopping around op,
i have bought 2 pairs of MTR shorts for under £45 this year, (leisurelakes, cyclesurgery), I'd never pay full rrp
my main go to brand is gore, can get some right deals of gore kit on amazon,
got a couple of the C3 zip jerseys this week for £12-17, headband £4.60, LS jersey £25,
I always think Endura stuff is reasonably priced. Of course, new ranges of any manufacturer (MTB or other) are going to be more pricey; I've never paid full price for any of their stuff, given most of my MTB garments are black anyway buying last season's range in sale is a non-issue.
Fit is a very personal thing, taller thinner riders will probably not suit the Endura shape. I'm pretty boxy, so fits me well.
Singletrack II shorts used to be one of the best basic baggies for a reasonableish price you could buy. Triple stitched and panelled sensibly to prevent wear. Daft magnetic pocket closers aside!