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So the change in ownership seems to have resulted in a bike which isn't actually hideous.
Spare a thought for the poor Moment though;
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2003 rang. They'd like their saddles back.
looking at the seat mast on the first one - is it so tall you couldn't run a dropper?
Namescript doesn;t exactly ooze class, does it 🙁
Chronicles on flows?? Rollofftherimtastic
not ugly content
Eye of the beholder and all that but I think that's a minger.
What's the top one? Rocker looks a little short to be an Epiphany.
I think Ellsworths look great btw (said the Moment owner...).
frame may not be bad, but holy moley that typeface is gopping!
Really?Ellworth - warning; not ugly content
Those are hardly easy on the eye are they.
Nope, still ugly. Rear linkage looks like it's ready to snap 😯
Eye of the beholder and all that but I think that's a minger.
It's not going to win any contests, granted but in the context of the name Ellsworth, it's hardly offensive. Unlike the bottom one, which is. Both will come complete with the surliest customer support known to man.
It's an epiphany, loddrik.
2003 rang. They'd like their saddles back.
2008 also left a message - they thought their 'a bike can have no straight, round tubes' ruling only applied to that year.
Not a complete minger of a bike, but not great-looking by any means, either.
Eye of the beholder and all that but I think that's a minger.
+1
Never been a fan of ostentatiously "curvy" frames though.
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. no.
I see Ellsworth are refusing to give-in to the ridiculous new trends of dropper-posts and stems shorter than those found on most road bikes.
Wedging plus-size tyres into a 29er frame buy using narrow rims is clearly the future and worth chasing.
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2003 rang. They'd like their saddles back.
Think they might be missing a stem too. Possibly even a seatpost.
Wedging plus-size tyres into a 29er frame
Wasn't that the whole point of them to start with?
I'd happily take the person outside who designed that god-awful logo and give them an almighty shoeing for crimes against typography
What a mess. If you're bikes are quite gaudy/aesthetically challenged why when doing builds for promo pics would pick a load of components with loud and clashing logos? And those decals are like something a primary school kid would consider 'well wicked'.
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Ellsworth: "Customers out there are scrambling for trail bikes with 462mm chainstays and a 70° head angle. Believe me, 29ers need those to go around corners."
"Of course our downhill bike should have 426mm chainstays and a 370mm BB height. How else are people going to get the rear wheel over slow speed obstacles?"
"No one needs more than 435mm of reach. Customers will put 100mm stems on. Trust me, this is where bike design is going"
Ellsworth: "Customers out there are scrambling for trail bikes with 462mm chainstays and a 70° head angle. Believe me, 29ers need those to go around corners.""Of course our downhill bike should have 426mm chainstays and a 370mm BB height. How else are people going to get the rear wheel over slow speed obstacles?"
"No one needs more than 435mm of reach. Customers will put 100mm stems on. Trust me, this is where bike design is going"
Thats a quote from 10 years ago isn't it
Team robot don't appear to like Ellsworth 😯
http://theteamrobot.blogspot.co.uk/2015/09/lessons-from-end-of-era.html
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lol. does Team Robot like anyone?
They are without doubt the ugliest bikes in the universe - mingtastic 😛
Nope..... Still horrible!
Well it's a step in the right direction- more than a touch of the shitting dog about it but at least it's the shitting dog ugly at both ends, not like the old ones with melty ugly at the front and square ugly at the back
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Does this thread not fall foul of the Trade Descriptions act or something?
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It's no worse than this;
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I quite like the swoopy look of the top one, but the linkage does look a little frail. The lower one though, wow! That's a pretty ugly bike. It just looks out of proportion.
Handcrafted, Ellsworth Carbon Fiber, CNC Derailleur Hanger, Instant Center Tracking, Carbon Torsion Arch, Torque Tube Pivots, Hex Taper Axle, Rocker Locker
Sounds great 😉
Less ugly in the same way a 2 piece KFC meal is healthier than a 3 piece..
Just checked out their website, interestingly none of the build options mention a dropper post !
Maybe droppers have now gone out of fashion ?
Christ!, someone didn't know when to put the ugly stick down with those!
But what do I know. I ride a DW Turner.
Top one not too bad.
The Moment is ok till you get to the rear linkage. Totally destroys it.
OOft. Top one isn't horrific but has the look of a parts bin special. The second one is rank.
Not a fan...the first bike was assembled with brand new suspension but with finishing kit that's languished at the back of someone's warehouse for a decade. That stem is all of 100mm long, then there's the seatpost and saddle. Seriously, who makes a boutique bike these days that doesn't feature a dropper post?
The logo is truly gopping, but that's an area where Ellsworth has never held back from the boundaries of taste in the past.
The second one is a see-saw with a hard-on.
I'm oot
It's ****ing pitiful when you think about it.
Dreadful looking bikes.
burn them, burn them now .... will no one think of the children 😉
Grim.
150/140mm trail bike.......with a 69.5 degree HA.Shit.The.Bed.
Only 4 degrees steeper than my hardtail LOLWTF.
I cannot believe that you lot are actually questioning the visionary that Is Tony Ellworth next you'll be telling us that, actually forward geometry designs have some limiting factors 😆
Loved my Ellsworth, depite it being beaten with the ugly stick, after falling from the ugly tree, and landing in the ugly puddle. Until something on it broke. Trying to source a 150 X 135 20mm rear axle to fit the "custom" hub and "industry leading" rear drop out was an utter P.I.T.A.
I cannot believe that you lot are actually questioning the visionary that Is Tony Ellworth
But have they actually identified a section of the bike-buying public that wants the geometry FS bikes had 10 years ago combined with 650b and a too-large gothic font?
too-large gothic font
But they've ditched that now - it was their USP!
Cursive is the new Gothic. Seeing as how they're working backwards through the GTA logos it'll be double bold sans serifs next.
You're right!
I didn't even clock that had changed - too much horror elsewhere in the pics.
Slik graphics could probably do you one in wingdings if you asked..
The vast majority of FS bikes look a bit s##t, these are no different.
The issue isn't just the aesthetics, everything really, the rear linkage design, geometry from 10/15 years ago etc etc
I suspect there's a fair number/enough people who are happy with how their 10 year old bike rides and just want to replace it with something that uses 'modern' materials and suspension components and maybe one of those 'new fangled wheel sizes'.
Not everyone wants to plunge down mountains with a head angle that feels like they're pushing a wheelbarrow the axle's so far in front of them 😉
Someone must like it ?
😆Not everyone wants to plunge down mountains with a head angle that feels like they're pushing a wheelbarrow the axle's so far in front of them
yes I understand that 😀
By the same token I'd prefer not to get catapulted over the bar when applying the brake on anything other than an uphill slope or the flat 😉
Tony himself ?Someone must like it ?
How much are they anyway? Still mega money?
By the same token I'd prefer not to get catapulted over the bar when applying the brake on anything other than an uphill slope or the flat
Hmmm. Perhaps we need to re-asses our expectations of what geometry is 'needed' to ride the gnar. 😉
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He's got suspension forks on that bike the coward! 😉
Anyway you know that you have to have a 62 degree headangle or less this year or it's certain death offroad...
They are 110% ugly
They've even managed to make a fatbike look uglier than they normally do:
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Sweet baby jesus and the orphans!
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Is that an optical illusion or have they pumped those fat bike tyres up so hard that the rim tape is bulging ridiculously through the rim cut-outs?
Maybe there's no rim tape 😆
OK so they might not be set up tubeless but still, tape or tube it looks like its coming through 10mm or so
I'm thinking they blew up the inner tubes with no rim tape at all. What do you reckon - 20psi?
too much whatever it is
Just again - 69.8. It's an otb 'moment' looking for a place to happen.
If they held on to the gothic font for a bit longer it would have come back into fashion. (tbh I liked it in a so wrong its right kind of way)
New font borrowed from 1985? Neighbours?
They're pretty awful looking things...I wouldn't even get to looking at the geometry!
Do people actually buy them? I don't recall ever seeing one being ridden?
I will admit I used to lust after these 10 years ago.
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In fact I still want it.
Me too woodster 🙂
I even like the font they used.
Yep - they've only gone downhill from there (and I don't mean on a trail)
Mate had a Truth which broke a chainstay in Moab. Not the first by the lack of surprise when we took it to the bike shop. Still Warrantied with a new one while he was still out there. He then bought a moment which I rode for a while while he rode my 5Spot. We both preferred the 5Spot but that Moment certainly was still a decent bike when compared to similar bikes of the time.
Those latest ones tho. Ugh.
I did have an ISIS for a while... that was, er, interesting.
I had an epiphany...great bike...mate still rides one. The late great Mr Worland rated them..i think they are dated now and th ecompany seemed to stand still and lacked the R & D other companies put in.
i quite like that old Moment posted by woodster, i even looked into buying one.
(ended up with a Hemlock instead)
But wow, the new ones certainly are ... [i]challenging[/i]. I've checked, and yes, they've used every RGBi combination that my screen here is capable of producing.
I've had a couple of Truths, really rated them a few years back - a great race bike. I still have an Epiphany which is about 6 years old now, still ride it sometimes, a great bike in its day. Don't like those new ones though!!!
The one and only bike you want to be stolen if you had insurance 😉