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Defensive postures adopted!
[i]Why do you care how much of a “workout” someone you don’t know is getting?
Just seems odd.[/i]
Why do you care what someone on the internet thinks about how much of a workout someone he doesn't know is getting?
Just seems odd.
any e-bikes are coming to http://www.southlakesbikefest.com its an extra £10 for you dudes, to pay for the diesel for the generator 🙂 not all routes will be ebike friendly though”
I know nothing but does such a thing exist as a portable renewable energy source and storage device? versus the use of a diesel generator – I’m imagining a collapsable wind turbine and battery pack with a bank of solar…..probably doesn’t exist, yet.
How about some kind of pedal powered generator/turbo type arrangement?
I was absolutely apauled and therefore joined.
its unacceptable…This has to be a troll. This is the most blue pilled forum on the interwebs I know of. There is literally a thread about how bikes are bad for the environment ffs.
Wonders if apauled is related to ru-pauled.
I was absolutely apauled and therefore joined.
And today’s strangest reason for joining the forum award goes to you. Incidentally that’s also how I joined.
reflect on the importance things in life that actually matter
Like joining forums just to tell people on the forum that they're doing it wrong? That's the bestest thing I've evah seen.
"How about some kind of pedal powered generator/turbo type arrangement?"
This is good...so analogue cyclists can be lined up stationary and use their efforts Matrix style to provide power for the e-bikers to go off and have their fun...maybe we have some software attached to the generator which shows who has provided the most watt's into the battery...a sort of WOM...everyone kept happy.
I’d be happy knowing the unnecessary kitkat I’ve just eaten will be helping get a fat bloke up a hill...
ebikes are ****ing shite - end of discussion
I'm too fat and lazy to be apauled.
I'm going to be e-pauled instead.
ebikes are **** shite – end of discussion
Until SC or Yeti launch one, then you'll be all over like a tramp eating chips. 🙂
^^^^^^ LOL 🙂
“How about some kind of pedal powered generator/turbo type arrangement?”
This is good…so analogue cyclists...
There must be a way to tap into the Zwift/Peleton communities' efforts..! Imagine using all that wasted pedal energy... Genius!
Huuumph!
People with gears complaining about eBIkes?
Kettle/pot surely.
Gears have ruined it for the singlespeeders who have already ruined it for the fixed wheel fraternity who ruined it for the rod-brake guys.
Will this desecration never stop - or is it Karma? 🙂
I don't normally get involved as the genie is out of the bottle and I don't think it can be put back but here goes nothing.
Bought my Kona Remote Control beginning of this year, its replaced my Process. Reading this thread I did a bit of adding up. So far this year I've ridden about 2,800 miles under 800 of those on the RC. All the rest on a combination of a couple hardtails and a flat bar converted CX bike.
As far as I'm concerned at 63 I'm channelling my 8year old self. For me it's just acting the goat 🐐 on a bike in the woods 😳 It's no more complicated than that 😁any fitness benefit is purely secondary for me. Even if I say so myself I'm not bad for my age 😎
Do I need an E Bike? Of course not! Want and need 2 entirely different things! I consider myself very lucky to be able to please myself even if I sometimes need reminding 🙄
When I was told 10 years ago by a spinal specialist to never ride off road again I couldn't have imagined what I've done and where I've been on bikes.
Maybe mr montblonc should have a look at the forum properly before banning us all. Like others have said, this site is my go to on the web. Its like going to pub with your mates. More posts on here make me laugh out loud than anywhere else. Maybe he should ask gnumas and a couple of other guys what this forum can do?.
Regards the OP, is there a better feeling than roasting anyone on ebike to be asked "what setting are on?" just before they realise it just your legs. Priceless.
Nobeerinthefridge
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ebikes are **** shite – end of discussionUntil SC or Yeti launch one, then you’ll be all over like a tramp eating chips. 🙂
Nice try,
Don't be a hater cos I have some spare money to spend on nice bikes and legs to power myself up a climb and not a lazy ****er
SC and yeti I cannot imagine will make them
Genuinely embarrassed everytime I see some one on one
And they are still shit and will remain shit till the day I die
And they are still shit and will remain shit till the day I die
That's going straight into the criminal intelligence spreadsheet...
Cool story bro.
Lots of folk like to judge me on my Bronson, as I'm sure you've experienced yourself, I try not to be such a cock to ebike users.
chill.
Is this the Daily Male Forum (or againstum?)
Life’s too short. Better off out riding and catching midges with yr smiling gnashers.
Is this the Daily Male Forum
Nah. Strumsnet.
Debz
Why do you care that I care what someone on the internet cares about someone else on the internet
Just seems odd
I don't singlebollockstu. You must've misread my post.
How do you know how many bollocks I have?
Andy why do you care enough to post about it...
This is good…so analogue cyclists can be lined up stationary and use their efforts Matrix style to provide power for the e-bikers to go off and have their fun…maybe we have some software attached to the generator which shows who has provided the most watt’s into the battery…a sort of WOM…everyone kept happy.
I was thinking more that all the "it's just as much of a workout as a normal bike" riders could ride them on a turbo and have the motor feed the power back into the battery.
Andy why do you care enough to post about it…
Well this took something of a poignant turn...
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I was thinking more that all the “it’s just as much of a workout as a normal bike” riders could ride them on a turbo and have the motor feed the power back into the battery.
The Irony in my comment may not have been immediately obvious. Having the E-bike on the turbo in a self perpetuating energy cycle, albeit one closer to the cafe, restricts the need for the e-bikers to be having their all important consequence free 'fun' times - better to repurpose the excess muscle energy of the fitness obsessed who can be so easily placated by a self congratulatory comparison algorithm and can't possibly be enjoying themselves on the trail at their sub-warp-speed pace anyway....the darkness slowly creeps.
Oh Lordy, this thread gives me so much joy.
I’ve never actually seen an eMTB in the wilds. Mainly because I avoid other bikers in case they run over my kitten. I have seen a few in assorted country pub carparks where they have seem to have been bought by couples as a way to go on a pub crawl without risking the driving license.
Rider wins, pub landlord wins. Nothing to complain about there.
The Irony in my comment may not have been immediately obvious. Having the E-bike on the turbo in a self perpetuating energy cycle, albeit one closer to the cafe, restricts the need for the e-bikers to be having their all important consequence free ‘fun’ times – better to repurpose the excess muscle energy of the fitness obsessed who can be so easily placated by a self congratulatory comparison algorithm and can’t possibly be enjoying themselves on the trail at their sub-warp-speed pace anyway….the darkness slowly creeps.
I was thinking more that they could sit there spinning away on zwift charging the battery ready for the weekend.
A bit like KERS in F1, but with moobs.
"A bit like KERS in F1, but with moobs."
Ah yes, I see now, I like. A Mooby 'Push-to-Pass' function.
I really wanted to post a Jay and Silent Bob Mooby clip but couldn’t find one that wasn’t totally NSFW.
E bikes have taken over High Lodge TC in Thetford Forest. 100% of the bikes I saw when I was there Saturday morning were E bikes. Ok, it was 7am and I only saw two other riders, but the figures speak for themselves. I’ll be writing a stern letter to the FC!
I’ve just returned home to discover my rigid steel bike has been stolen and replaced with a full suspension, carbon fibre e-bike. If this wasn’t bad enough I walked inside to tell Mrs F and the funklings, they’re not there! Instead, three more mother****ing e-MTB’s. You’re right OP they are taking over.
It too live in Macc and have yet to see an e-bike on the local trails. To be fair I'm not out on the local trails much as I spend most of my mountain bike time with my kids at trail centers mostly Llandeglla but also Cannock, Sherwood and FOD where we go on hols. At all four there are a lot of e-bikes.
I'm torn on the issue if your injured or old and want to carry on riding they make sense and in areas that an uplift is required like the downhill tracks at FOD i can see you'd get miles more runs in with an e-bike.
But they do create an artificial flow round the trail its like having loads more elite riders on the trail and at somewhere like Sherwood Red where its all singletrack it gets annoying for the kids constantly having to give way. Also, I had a chat with one of the guys at Sherwood with an e-bike he was saying it removes all the climbs, what climbs?
Part of the justification for funding of trail centers must be on improving health, and not to provide a ready-made track for e-bike fun. The most depressing thing I've seen in a while was climbing the hill at Lllandegla with my 7 and 10-year-olds been overtaken by two young teenagers on ebikes.
I know Lllandeglla is private so they can do what they want but I would ban them from FC trail centers during the busiest periods.
The most depressing thing I’ve seen in a while was climbing the hill at Lllandegla with my 7 and 10-year-olds been overtaken by two young teenagers on ebikes.
Aye, child poverty, record drug deaths, knife crime, organised paedophilia, all pales into insignificance when faced with a teenager on a pedal assist bike.
The most depressing thing I’ve seen in a while was climbing the hill at Lllandegla with my 7 and 10-year-olds been overtaken by two young teenagers on ebikes.
You need to get out more
Sorry in relation to mountain biking. There I am trying to encourage my family into an active outdoor lifestyle and they can see there's an option to cheat not get fit and get propelled to the top of the climb with little effort. I feel sorry for them.
Last spring my older son really struggled with that hill, a few weeks ago we got up it for the first time from bottom to top without stopping by putting the effort in over the year and getting a lot fitter. This has also translated to his running and made a huge improvement in his effort in his football.
I could of thought **** it I'll just buy him an electric bike it would have made my life easier not having to stop every 5 minutes. He'd stil be struggling to keep up with his siblings at park run rather than catching them and not be the most improved player in his football team.
Stainypants hits the nail on the head. Sometimes the juice is worth the squeeze. The downhills taste that bit sweeter when you've pedalled yourself to the top
Op get a fat bike then people will like you and ask about your girth while your blowing out your Harris trying to climb a hill whilst them nasty ebikers ride past saying that looks like hard work. The things I do just to get attention from someone 😭😭
I’d rather those kids were out in the outdoors having fun on their e bikes than sitting indoors on their x boxes.
Kids on e-bikes is hugely problematic, can't see the necessity of it (unless they're disabled). I'd rather see kids learn skills and a respect for their surroundings at a slower pace, and learn that with effort you can improve and grow physically without having to resort to the easy option. Can totally see how other kids would be upset by the difference...maybe more so than some of the adults on here.
Kids nowadays. Back in my day it was just e, none of this biking bollocks attached to it.
Kids on e-bikes is hugely problematic
Jesus, the experts are out in full force today.
Honestly.
Cyclists complaining about e-bikes are what give cyclists a bad name.
Massively on the fence with this one. I have a titanium plate in my knee... At 39 I ride daily on my analogue bikes. Not sure how much longer it will last and I will possibly NEED not want an e bike to continue to ride as much as I do now.
I am not fat... I am not lazy... But my knee bloody kills me every day (and I ride every day)
One thing that really puts me off is the whole attitude to e biking and some of the bellends that I have come across round swinley. Sure they could be hiding issues like me but I took my girls for a spin today and stopped for an ice cream and coffee in the shop (it's really bad coffee by the way) and counted 13 e bikes and around 15 "normal" bikes. That's almost a 50/50 split. Been riding round swinners for years and years and they are bloody everywhere now.
I will have to get one soon because of my knee but people who look at me will think I am lazy 🙁
I will have to get one soon because of my knee but people who look at me will think I am lazy
People like yourself and some of the bellends on this thread will, yes.
This thread is quite an eye opener. In my early 50’s and riding around 3 times a week and have done so for 20 years, not fat, pretty fit, however recently diagnosed with heart disease meaning that while road and gravel riding as i currently do is fine, I need to avoid HR peaks which are common on short sharp MTB sections. Full suss ebike is on order and I will be keeping the non e drop bar bikes. Selling current FS and track bikes.
Sounds like I’m in for a tough time...
To those ridiculing, may fate and the health gods be on your side...
Holy ****, this thread keeps on giving.
Simon... I don't think I will call myself lazy 🙂 it's a juxtaposition for me as I don't want one but will need to get one to continue to ride. I am not sure I would want one if I didnt NEED one.
That's just me anyway and how I feel right now.
Sounds like I’m in for a tough time
Ian.
I'd seriously not worry about anyone giving you a tough time.
I don't get spoken to any differently when i'm on my ebike or my none ebike.
Just like I speak to other people the same no matter what they're riding.
Kids on e-bikes is hugely problematic
Oh ffs 🙄
Get a sense of perspective pleeease.
It’s kids on bikes 😳
Live and let live.
Done.
I rode mine up an Austrian mountain this morning, in turbo most of the way. Sweated my nuts off trying to keep it at 15mph. Around 900m ascent in an hour or so. Proper workout.
Then I ate cake.
On the DH bike tomorrow at Leogang but that’s downhill so obviously uses zero energy. That’s why all the good riders are fat knackers like me.
I’ll still eat cake afterwards though.
Oh ffs 🙄
Get a sense of perspective pleeease.
It’s kids on bikes 😳
Well, the trail centres near me are some of the most technical in the country. Seeing as adults end up in ambulances at the trailhead on a fairly regular basis what's so wrong about being concerned about the safety of 7-10 year olds pilling into trees at 25kph? FFS....whatevs. Swinley may be a different kettle of cod. Wasn't it just a few weeks ago that 2 kids in London died on electric scooters?
To counter the "you don't get a workout on an ebike" argument, I cycled to work today on an ebike and the computer says I burnt roughly 450 kcal on the way in, 500 on the way back (hills). That's over the course of 7 miles each way. It also says I put in about 25% of the effort and the motor put in 75% which given I was in turbo seems about right. It also says I averaged about 220W human output over both directions, a bit more when fighting the hills than not which I think isn't too shabby for a workout. Side note I love having a computer with speedo, watt meter etc to get all this data out and I'm considering a Bluetooth heart monitor to extend the stats.
Now I could turn the motor off, and then I'd burn 2000 calories doing the same route because I'm supplying all the power. Then again that would probably kill me. No I'll just gradually reduce the power mode as I lose weight.
Can kids not reach 25kph on none ebikes then.
I'm all for e-bikes, speaking as a non e-bike rider. A slightly different angle, my dad has a life long health condition that limits riding on a normal bike to 15/20km of flat pootling. A year ago he got an e-bike and has done 9000km since, granted it's not as exercise intensive as a regular bike, but it's distance he never would (or could more importantly) have done previously. It's also replaced a lot of short car journeys for him too, adding an additional benefit.
Even more than that it's meant I (age 24) can now ride with my Dad (56) and enjoy long/off road/hilly rides for the first time together, completely fantastic! A few weekends ago we did the Trans Cambrian Way over 3 days, he stayed in B&Bs to charge the battery overnight while I bivied, his speed on an e-bike matching nicely with mine on a regular bike. This is something that absolutely would not have been possible without an e-bike and I'm incredibly grateful that it's given us a chance to do something like this together.
I don't care what people ride as long as it's not causing a nuisance or damaging any trails.
It also says I put in about 25% of the effort and the motor put in 75% which given I was in turbo seems about right. It also says I averaged about 220W human output over both directions,
Something's wrong there. 220w on the flat gives you nearly 22mph. And thats only a quarter of your total output??
Campgareth, are you sure those figures are correct? 220 watts human effort, but you were only putting in 25% of the effort? Between you and the motor does it really average close to 900 watts for a 7 mile journey? (I ask out of not genuinely not knowing, not snarkyness)
I ride with a power meter, I tend to average between 200 and 250 watts for an hour and half ride, so 1000 watts as an average sounds like fun.
Looks like I may have inherited my dads heart condition, I'm 47. Depending on how things go over the next few months I may well be joining the ebike crowd. (I'm 47, 67kgs, raced road only stopping racing last year - so most definately not a fat knacker). My dad is 70 and still rides every day, but on an ebike.
To counter the “you don’t get a workout on an ebike” argument, I cycled to work today on an ebike and the computer says I burnt roughly 450 kcal on the way in, 500 on the way back (hills). That’s over the course of 7 miles each way. It also says I put in about 25% of the effort and the motor put in 75% which given I was in turbo seems about right. It also says I averaged about 220W human output over both directions, a bit more when fighting the hills than not which I think isn’t too shabby for a workout. Side note I love having a computer with speedo, watt meter etc to get all this data out and I’m considering a Bluetooth heart monitor to extend the stats.
Now I could turn the motor off, and then I’d burn 2000 calories doing the same route because I’m supplying all the power. Then again that would probably kill me. No I’ll just gradually reduce the power mode as I lose weight.
Your computer is wrong. A 7 mile commute wouldn't burn 2000 calories,not even on a fat bike with a flat tyre.
My 25 mile commute burns about 1700 on the road bike, 1900 on the mtb or about 2100 on the fat bike (based on strava average power estimations which are ballpark accurate).
7 miles on an mtb is probably about 350 calories on a normal bike! Assuming the proportions are accurate I'd start with dividing that by 4.
I'm not personally sure the numbers are correct because I have no way to verify them. It's not as if I can replace bosch's torque sensing cranks with my own and have the whole system still work. Knowing what the bike is like when the motor's off (bosch mid drive so draggy, combined with rohloff hub gear, belt drive, full suspension and dual batteries for 30kg total weight) and how it comes alive when the motor's cranked up, it may well be putting in hundreds of Watts. If it is though the batteries aren't showing it, I consume about 250Wh doing both legs of the commute. Total ride time is about 1:15 so the average out of the motor must be about 200W, but how is that 75% of the effort if I'm also averaging 220W?
Let's label this as further investigation required.
220W on a road bike on a rolling/flat should see you over 20mph, so your 7 miles takes 20 mins or so- and I would expect less than 500cal for around 75kg rider. Bike weight, position, tyres will of course add to that. I have no idea but am intrigued how these numbers would compare to ebike. How accurate is the power reading I wonder?
Analogue or E-bike, makes no odds to me. If some impatient idiot decides to sit on my back wheel on a tight trail then I just back off a little and hold them up even more. I'll give room when the trail conditions allow, not before.
No one should feel pressurised to interrupt their ride for someone else.
@endoverend it isn't a road bike, full suspension mountain bike with losses in the belt and hub gears. It also isn't the flat, rather a muddy/cobbled canal tow path with plenty of locks. It's more like 150kg between 115kg me and the 30kg bike plus a laptop and locks. Lightly nobbled rock razor tyres in 2.35". Position fairly upright. Average speed about 12mph. I've held 28mph on it before but that's a real strain.
Now I'm curious if anyone has a bosch road bike with Kiox or nyon displays (both do this kind of tracking). They'd get some interesting numbers for comparison.
Quite intrigued by the new direction this thread is going on, with regard to the analysis of the @campgareth data.
Meanwhile, on the OP’s opinion on ebikes, “I’m sure they serve their purpose for people with disabilities and old age going against them.”
Care to expand on this?
“Will we all be forced out of the convinience of trail centres and pushed to the the secret squirrel trails and out into the middle of no where so the ebikes can’t find us.”
How could you be ‘forced’?
Same as wheelchairs for people who can't walk.
If you can pedal a bike I don't see why you need a motor attached to it. And if you want a motorbike buy a Motocross bike and get some balls.
Campgareth I think you need a new bike computer
If you can pedal a bike I don’t see why you need a motor attached to it.
Because it’s fun. Duh.
I’m beginning to wonder why I bother being courteous to clockwork riders when there’s judgemental bellends like you indiscriminately slagging off Ebikes and tarring us all with the same brush.
Yim
Did the nasty ebikers at Coed y bum your dog or something.
Did you tell them any of this shit you're typing on here face to face while you had the chance?
what’s so wrong about being concerned about the safety of 7-10 year olds pilling into trees at 25kph? FFS….whatevs.
Which 7-10 year olds were riding ebikes?
And anyway, are there no downhills at this place? I assume 25kph is easily achievable by kids going downhill.
Or do you not let them ride downhill in case they pile into trees ?
Whatevs.
I would have told them but they were speeding past me at about 20mph eating crisps
Two thoughts from me.
A. Riding bikes is great. Any bike. Any one.
B. Rule No.1 applies to everyone.
Kids on e-bikes is hugely problematic
Jesus, the narrow minded are out in full force today.
FIFM
I would imagine when they’re riding their ebikes to my sailing club that they’re thinking “ look at that old man on his clockwork dandy-horse”
Like they really care what you think 🤯🙄
Clearly you preferred life in black and white, just after the war when rationing was still prevalent and hovis was “jus, up, t’ill”
🤷♂️
I would have told them but they were speeding past me
Yes sure you would...
So all 15-20 of them pasted you at the same time and you didn't get chance to tell them?
Like I said up there somewhere.
No one has ever spoken to me differently when i've been on my ebike to how they speak to me when i'm on my none ebike.
I have a feeling you may live in the same area as me.
Feel free to give me your thoughts if you see me out on the trails.
I am not fat… I am not lazy… But my knee bloody kills me every day (and I ride every day)
That's fine, you will get a disabled pass from the anti ebike brigade. Maybe stick on a blue badge so they can see that you are riding it for disability reasons which will stop them getting all upset about it as they seem overly angry about it already so anything to calm them down.
Will do singlespeedstu I'll wear a flower in my helmet so you'll know it's me
I'm all for blue badges for ebikers.
I'll know it's you
You'll be the one that doesn't say a word until you get behind a keyboard.🙄
Kids on e-bikes is hugely problematic, can’t see the necessity of it (unless they’re disabled).
Was going to treat the kids to a big day out at C-y-B on hired e-bikes, found out that they're illegal in the hands of under 14s.
“If you can pedal a bike I don’t see why you need a motor attached to it.”
I hope you don’t drive a car or ride a motorbike then!
I commute on my eMTB. It’s also replaced my full-sus. As I’ve said in every thread like this, when riding with my mates (on normal bikes) I’ll often leave the assistance off.
If you think it’s more satisfying pedalling a normal bike up the climbs, try doing that with one that’s 20lbs heavier with no electric help. Or I could just call you riders on lightweight 30lb bikes lazy!
Do people at sailing clubs foam at the mouth about motor boats like this?
Its all getting a bit self entitled/ holier than though/ don't do as I do, do as I tell you etc... ad nauseam...