[Closed] Ebikes taking over trail centres

1 out of 10.
Must try harder.

How do you ride your clockwork bike with that huge chip on your shoulder ?

Insert Michael Jackson eating popcorn gif here

I have just the solution.

Don't go to trail centres.

Couchy it's taken some training but I'm still not a battery powered "mountain biker"

Pffft, up here they have vans to take you to the top of the hill and in some places there are contraptions you can sit in which effortlessly whisk you to the top. Even seen some 'pros's' using them.

All the people who say ebikes give just as good a workout I can’t seem to believe as I never noticed one of them braking a sweat

Totally agree, E bikes are for lazy bastards who can't be arsed to pedal a real bike then claim all the bullshit in the world they give just a workout as a normal bike.

Who gives an f about biking for fitness. I bike for fun. Ebikes are fun.

It’s all about the speed bro, derestricted you can sit behind roadies too it’s entertaining. Biking for me is about fun not fitness, however lost 1 1/2 stone since started ebiking, it must do something or that wouldn’t have happened. Downside is negativity and sometimes abuse from normal cyclists, I prefer to live and let live but some folk are so far up their own arses they have to share their opinion, if it makes them happy it’s all good cos they obviously need to vent 😁

E bikes are for lazy bastards who can’t be arsed to pedal a real bike

It may come as a shock but some people who have ebikes still also ride none ebikes.
It must be very confusing for you having to make judgements on people based on the bike they are on at any particular moment.

Think I'm going to need a bigger keep net 🙂

Oh you're one of "them" *shudders. I agree biking is for fun. But it used to be fun when I was a kid of riding my crappy BMX and first MTB my mom and dad got me. It was a sport for the people, not just the people who wanna spunk 5k on an ebike. I'm not saying they aren't fun.
Motocross is also fun but I wouldn't ride one through the woods for funs sake

I got a brilliant draft off one earlier.
👍
I did thank him btw.

How many did you see yim?
What about all those people there on none ebikes that cost more than 5 grand?
Should they not be allowed either.😚

I think it depends on the trail centre really. At Coed Y Brenin I didn’t see a single e bike a few weeks ago - although we rode both blacks and didn’t see a single other soul full stop.

Antur Stiniog there were a couple - although they were also uplifting in the mini bus - maybe it was their only bike that had enough travel.

Swinley I’ve seen loads of e bikes each time I’ve been here and the same at the FOD. Less so at Cwmcarn.

I’ve not particularly got a problem with e bikes except when they decide to tailgate you on a pedally / uphill section where there isn’t anywhere to let them by - especially so if they then hold you up on the downhill after that you’ve worked hard for (and they haven’t so much).

‘ Oh you’re one of “them” *shudders. I agree biking is for fun. But it used to be fun when I was a kid of riding my crappy BMX and first MTB my mom and dad got me. It was a sport for the people, not just the people who wanna spunk 5k on an ebike. I’m not saying they aren’t fun.
Motocross is also fun but I wouldn’t ride one through the woods for funs sake. ‘

I couldn’t afford a bmx I had an old Raleigh while all the cool kids had bmx’s, yup motocross is fun on an Mx bike and I too wouldn’t ride one through the woods, are you thinking an ebike is like an Mx bike ?

But as you’re One of “them” *shudder cyclists You’ll never understand, it’s another problem with trail centres they let poor people in and they get angry and jealous, enough to moan about it on the internet 😁

I probably saw 15 or 20 today. One lad on an ebike at Cannock I let past me as he was tailgating me, then he rode right at the back of another bloke and pressured him so much that the bloke came off the track and into a ditch.
Maybe we should put a cap on bike prices all together. Mines not worth 5k

Was at MTB meet-up in Saturday. Heaving with all kinds of riders and bikes.

E-Bikes probably represented less than 5% of bikes I saw.

I’m a real TC mincer, honestly I live between Afan, Cwmcarn and BPW, on top of that I’m at FOD, Brechfa and Nant-Y-Arian when I’m not at my local ones.

E-Bikes make up a tiny minority of the bikes I see.

We were there saturday and today.
Saw 3 on saturday and none today.
You sure you didn't see the same 3 keep lapping you.😜
You'd have been offended with the bike I was on as it's worth more than my ebike.😂

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If I wasn't buying a new house I'd have a levo in a heartbeat after demoing one at Traildays a few weeks back. It's not quite double the riding double the fun as they don't descend quite as well for me due to the extra weight but it's not far off. Being able to blast out quick laps would be good, the lord's hill climb at Eastridge is tedious the 1st time let alone doing it multiple times.

Eastridge was a riot on my Kenevo.

Whos gives a shit what bike someone is riding.. You must have a perfect life if all you can think about whilst riding around is whether someone has a motor on their bike or whether they're a singlespeeder or fatbiker or (fat biker) or if they're on a 26er or a 36er.
As long as you're having fun, that's all that matters.. I bet I have more fun on my bike than you so ner😉
Cannock chase is ruined by all the strava warrior ****s anyway.. Not once had a good experience there when riding with my kids.

ebikes are meh. for me roughly 1/3 more descents but less than half as fun.

1 1/3 - 1/2 = 5/6

an ebike is 5/6 as good as a normal bike.

totally sound and well founded conclusion.

I ride a lot at Cannock as it's relatively close and a good ride, although the best bits of the ride are off the main trails.

There are a lot of ebikes around for sure but the vast majority of the ones I see at Cannock are ridden by riders that can clearly handle a non powered bike and just seem to be having a different type of ride. Certainly as friendly and sociable as any other rider, so I wouldn't rant about them as a 'type'.

Ignorant people that buzz back wheels and pass in the most ridiculous places whilst on a strava hunt over the blue routes (in busy public sections) will and do get a piece of my mind. It isn't an ebike thing though.

Riding is riding, and it's all good - as long as individuals we all behave and respect one another and the land etc.

Having just watched that Guy Kesteven review of the Whyte at Whinlater, what worries me is that the speed achievable on climbs vs analog in less skilled hands is going to result in some incidents due to speed differential, getting hit by a 50lb bike and outsize rider at speed will hurt.

Having just watched that Guy Kesteven review of the Whyte at Whinlater, what worries me is that the speed achievable on climbs vs analog in less skilled hands is going to result in some incidents due to speed differential, getting hit by a 50lb bike and outsize rider at speed will hurt.

I demoed a ‘chipped’ or ‘off-road only’ Levo back in Spring. Rest assured they’re fast, but not so much you’d be skittling riders on the way up.

we are getting out numbered.

Who's this 'we'?

Silly post.

We were there saturday and today.
Saw 3 on saturday and none today.
You sure you didn’t see the same 3 keep lapping you.😜
You’d have been offended with the bike I was on as it’s worth more than my ebike.😂

Nah, I was riding black, as everyone knows e-bikers are all pussys and would have been riding the blue ‘kids trail’ (assume you saw the Twitter fall out?).😉

I’ve only ever been offended by 1 bike. My mate teamed a Lime Green frame with red tyres, the result was so bad we named it the Nausiator.

Three of the selfish so and sos overtook me today on kitbag hill at Cannock, they slowed down on approaching me, I nipped into the trees and they said "thanks" as they went past, before I carried on my way. This is the second time in three weeks this has happened. Its the end of civilisation as we know it!
I bet it was an e biker who left the litter pointed out in my earlier post*

* I have no evidence for this at all.

I nipped out for an hour on my ebike earlier, did 23km, got 4 good descents in and bagged 10 KOMs! 10, count em, 10!

So. Much. Win.

Davo rex I bet you got a really good work out in.

Love my ebike, bought on hols from decathlon in France for a thousand Euro’s and I reckon it’s paid for itself in Strava KOMs already.

I nipped out for an hour on my ebike earlier, did 23km, got 4 good descents in and bagged 10 KOMs! 10, count em, 10!

So. Much. Win.

A couple a know hired some cube ebikes at the local centre, they were getting KOM & QOM on almost every climb and she barely rides. Unbelievable how good those bikes are now.

Who gives an f about biking for fitness. I bike for fun. Ebikes are fun.

^^^This. Did Dalby last week on one and Grizedale before that. Lapped plenty of people that definitely did not look like they were having fun.

I ride a road new gravel! bike for fitness. Will admit that something is missing, was thinking the other day it's probably the endorphins.

But the very red, very angry guy shouting at his mate to slow down going up an incline as we sailed past reminded me this was supposed to be about having fun.

It didn't look fun when I saw a fat bloke pushing his ebike back to the car cause his battery ran out. He must have had a really good workout and won the Strava

If any e-bikes are coming to www.southlakesbikefest.com its an extra £10 for you dudes, to pay for the diesel for the generator 🙂 not all routes will be ebike friendly though  🙂

Rich

Op - you wouldn’t ride a mx bike thru woods!?

Exactly why I will never understand as they are wicked fun!!

Davo rex I bet you got a really good work out in.

He must have had a really good workout

Why do you care how much of a "workout" someone you don't know is getting?
Just seems odd.

Mine arrives in 3 or 4 weeks and I cannae wait to get it round Glentress as haven’t ridden there in over a year.

If any e-bikes are coming to http://www.southlakesbikefest.com its an extra £10 for you dudes, to pay for the diesel for the generator 🙂 not all routes will be ebike friendly though

Hope it's Euro 6 compliant!

however lost 1 1/2 stone since started ebiking,

Is that cos you can’t afford to eat anymore?

“It didn’t look fun when I saw a fat bloke pushing his ebike back to the car cause his battery ran out.“

I do group rides with my ebike turned off - I sold my old full-sus because the Levo was better in every way for my riding style. I use turbo mode to get there and back, rather than driving or pedalling unassisted as it saves time and is more fun.

But I am considerably more awesome than you.

Wait till Geex sees this😂

I think even geex is scunnered at this daily e-buffoonery....

a fat lad walking with his bike cause his battery had run out.

My piss is boiling.

Ebikes are for fat people, chavs, elderly and the disabled. Period.

Motocross is also fun but I wouldn’t ride one through the woods for funs sake

Why deprive yourself of the joy of watching mincing e bikers scatter and then complaining as if they are holier than thou art on a forum full of people who don't ride later.

Cars are going electric to #savetheplanet cyclist should too.

The thread is getting funnier 🙂

It's pretty funny an endurance rider who rides with half of Millets strapped to his bike think's he has somehow devised a mtb course a strong experienced mtb rider with a 15lb heavier bike won't be able to get round. 😉

Cannock chase is ruined by all the strava warrior **** anyway..

I think 'The Chase' was ruined in 2005 by two men called Gary and Stuart. Ebikes are just their latest failing.

Bloody hell. This shit again....?

E bikes are great fun. I ride for fun and thrills, hence being a mountain biker not a roadie who is all hung up on "the glory of suffering", "the honour of climbs" or whatever the bullshit is they always go on about.

Funnily enough, out on my (non powered) trail bike, I saw an absolute cock of a lycra clad XCer making a nuisance of himself buzzing people in the same way purists moan about ebikers doing. As other have said, dickheads will be dickheads regardless of mode of transport.

But if it's just that you don't like ebikes OP, give one a go. You'll be surprised how much fun it is 👍👍

It's funny sometimes when you sit behind someone going up hill you can see people physically pushing themselves as they sense someone behind them! I'm never in a hurry to pass and will wait till there's space, but it's funny watching peoples competitive side!

I usually just pass and say, yer alright, you're doing well, just a big fat cheat passing ye here! 😆 Usually gets a laugh and you can see the relief on their face that they aren't getting horsed by a normal bike!

I don't ride an e bike and I've never ridden or thought of getting one myself.
Im neither for or against there use either but the actual terminology and vile language and hatred used in this thread by some people is absolutely disgusting.
My daughter is a user on here who showed me this thread and I was absolutely apauled and therefore joined.
its unacceptable.
My job as a criminal intelligence analyst leaves me frustrated that such trivia can cause so much anger and going through the op,s posts on here along with the others I'm going to politly ask that you step away from the forum for a few days to reflect on the importance things in life that actually matter .
I've also emailed my contact details to stw if they need any assistance with this unacceptable behaviour that is quite frankly rife on some of these threads.
We have just taken 10 posts at random from the last 3 pages and 3 threads have completely the wrong tone .
I don't need to remind you life is very short .use it wisely.

@montblonc

Hello there,

I've just read the thread after seeing your post. This is the post I personally think is inappropriate. The rest is bluster and noise from posters who already know other members thoughts on ebikes. That said, I'm not the most world wise when it comes to more subtle "net grown" insults so if I've missed something of that ilk I apologise.

burner

Member
Ebikes are for fat people, chavs, elderly and the disabled. Period.

All I would say is that member has never posted before. He's literally signed up, posted that comment and that's it. Its pretty obvious he has his own agenda.

I totally agree with you that life is simply too short for inane stuff like this but this is a biking forum and people will argue for years over the size of a wheel let alone ebikes. Ebiking is just the latest emotive topic amongst some riders. For me, it's live and let live personally but people are genuinely passionate about bikes and riding them on here. Some anyway!

Personally I find this forum a refuge from the utterly ferocious and intolerant ravings I have seen on social media. To the point I simply don't use social media at all now.

I can't comment on the other threads you mention but if the mods see inappropriate behaviour they are usually very much on the ball about such things. They have a difficult task however as they can be called draconian or "lax" depending upon the view point.

To use the word you use, moderating the "tone" of a thread is much harder than it initially sounds. On the whole stw gets it right but no system is beyond improvement and I'm sure the mods would say similar, without me putting words into their mouths.

So,I am not dismissing what you say at all and find it honestly sad that your first encounter with this forum is a negative one. I'm genuine when I say that as this forum is my "home" on the net. Not just regarding biking but about life in general.

The true character of this place is the help it has given to members facing huge personal challenges and tragedies. Members on here have gone well beyond the norms to help out other members on occasion simply because they can.

Please don't write off this forum based on the few threads you have read. Its a microcosm of the real world for sure, with all that, that entails but in almost all contexts a far more understanding and tolerant version.

Please note, I'm not speaking on behalf of stw or anything, I'm just an average Joe member, no more.

My job as a criminal intelligence analyst

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I’ve never actually seen an Ebike in the wild, just commuter versions. Then again I do live in Macclesfield so we’ve probably not had electricity for that long.

leaves me frustrated that such trivia can cause so much anger

Have a read of this thread in its entirety. It's compelling and rich, and shows the forum at its best, compared to the overflow of bile on Ebike threads.

https://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/eu-referendum-are-you-in-or-out/

Provided you are a genuine new user, give it six months, you'll be raging about axle width standards and not getting acknowledged by miserable roadies as well. 🙂

Hols2

No it’s the criminal intelligence analysts, in eight months time you’ll get an enormous i2 chart of the thread that no one’ll understand 😉

As long as they don't go poking around Mumsnet it shouldn't be too bad.

Ride Cannock chase all the time. See at least one ebike every ride. Normally overtaking me up cardiac hill, but then kids with stabilizer's still on could over take me up that hill.

Some of these riders look like the could out ride me regadless of what they ride, others not so much.
But that doesn't effect me or my ride, no sure why the OP is so bothered about the ride and work out others get or don't get.

So far everyone of the ebikers and most traditional bikers has been nice and friendly just like most people at Cannock.

When I have been buzzed, it's never been by an ebike rider, as others have said. Dick's be Dick's choice of transport doesn't really come into it.

You haven't seen anything yet - wait until BMW, Audi and Mercedes start making E bikes.

If I ever get an ebike, I think I'll ride it in the nude. That way people won't be talking about the bike.

Im neither for or against there use either but the actual terminology and vile language and hatred used in this thread by some people is absolutely disgusting.
My daughter is a user on here who showed me this thread and I was absolutely apauled and therefore joined.

Eh? Vile language and hatred? What have I missed here, this is obviously a troll thread with lots of amusing responses and folks on the wind up. Where is the hatred? (Other than for ebikes!)

As for whether I'd have one...if I rode trail centres like I use to then probably yes. From my exp of glentress and inners there is very little fun derived from slogging your way to the Top, and lots from riding back down the hill. And that's coming from a watts obsessed roadie who loves climbing.

Criminal Intelligence Analyst

Kind of a renegade? Good luck either way finding intelligence on here...

 I was absolutely apauled

@montblonc. Just wait till you have been here a week or two then you will be absolutely appalled.

f any e-bikes are coming to http://www.southlakesbikefest.com its an extra £10 for you dudes, to pay for the diesel for the generator 🙂 not all routes will be ebike friendly though

Hadn't even thought of that! The added noise, polution and cost associated with having an e-bike catergory at events is going to be increasing over the years as they become more popular and affordable.

I’d say trail centres are the places where you should see them. It’s the best place for them. It makes me worry for future access freedoms when you see them out on mountains and wild trails. They’re only going to get faster, more efficient and powerful and other trail users will start to campaign against them when there’s an accident.

I don't think you're seeing as many ebikes as you think. I can ride 30k and see no regular bikes but a fair few ebikes... because the ebikes over take me. But that doesn't mean the regular bikes aren't there, you just don't see them so its skews your view on numbers.

More importantly though, how do we know that burner and montblanc are not the same person?

Rode my first ebike today, 4000ft up an Austrian mountain - hilariously effortless, those that claim it is some form of exercise are seriously deluded.

how do we know that burner and montblanc are not the same person?

Surprised that he didn't go for 'senior social worker' to tip the wink to the cognoscenti. Standards are slipping.

I personally don't have much against e-bikes, I've had a couple of demos and they are hilariously good fun. But I must admit I took daily mail-esque umbrage the last time I was at Glentress and got passed by a train of e-bikes on the spooky wood climb. Not because they passed me but because they had all taken an uplift to the bottom of the singletrack climb!

Uplifting an E-bike at at a trail centre is a bit of a piss take.

Rode my first ebike today, 4000ft up an Austrian mountain – hilariously effortless

those that claim it is some form of exercise are seriously deluded.

This one rode 5000 more miles than normal in the last 12 months since an ebike purchase and is 2.5 stone lighter than he was this time last year.
Deluded, possibly. But not about this.

I’ve also emailed my contact details to stw if they need any assistance with this unacceptable behaviour that is quite frankly rife on some of these threads.

While you're at it, you should also  make a few suggestions regarding the usability of the forum software.

I'm sure they'll appreciate the assistance.

"any e-bikes are coming to http://www.southlakesbikefest.com /a> its an extra £10 for you dudes, to pay for the diesel for the generator 🙂 not all routes will be ebike friendly though"

I know nothing but does such a thing exist as a portable renewable energy source and storage device? versus the use of a diesel generator - I'm imagining a collapsable wind turbine and battery pack with a bank of solar.....probably doesn't exist, yet.

I don’t ride an e bike and I’ve never ridden or thought of getting one myself.
Im neither for or against there use either but the actual terminology and vile language and hatred used in this thread by some people is absolutely disgusting.
My daughter is a user on here who showed me this thread and I was absolutely apauled and therefore joined.
its unacceptable.
My job as a criminal intelligence analyst leaves me frustrated that such trivia can cause so much anger and going through the op,s posts on here along with the others I’m going to politly ask that you step away from the forum for a few days to reflect on the importance things in life that actually matter .
I’ve also emailed my contact details to stw if they need any assistance with this unacceptable behaviour that is quite frankly rife on some of these threads.
We have just taken 10 posts at random from the last 3 pages and 3 threads have completely the wrong tone .
I don’t need to remind you life is very short .use it wisely.

Holy crap. I will never have an issue with the mods or the anti-howard again.

I was absolutely apauled and therefore joined.
its unacceptable...

This has to be a troll. This is the most blue pilled forum on the interwebs I know of. There is literally a thread about how bikes are bad for the environment ffs.

In our local area we very rarely see e-bikes, however a couple of months ago I was riding the black at Llandegla and a couple on e-bikes were sort of buzzing me on a long climb that I was determined to clean, the pressure was too much and I got off. They did hold me up on the descent though.
We didn't see any on the Verderers trail in the forest of Dean.

The only worry I have is that our local biking area is full of understanding horse riders and walkers who don't mind us being around, but this could change with the speed of the e-bike. I've already been cut up by one rider on a wide fast corner.

Otherwise e-bikes are a good thing. It gets people out biking and enjoying the countryside and fresh air. I'm sure in the future I will need one.

I don’t think you’re seeing as many ebikes as you think. I can ride 30k and see no regular bikes but a fair few ebikes… because the ebikes over take me. But that doesn’t mean the regular bikes aren’t there, you just don’t see them so its skews your view on numbers.

This.

Spent the last week in North Wales on holiday, I think I saw more E-Bikes in Beics Brenin than in 13 hours I spent riding at Coed-y-Brenin, Penmachno and Llandegla. Though to be fair i reckon aside from Llandegla (MTBMeetup) I reckon we saw lass than 25 people out on the trails midweek.

I also ride at Cannock every couple of months and I think as it's so busy (certainly on FTD, less so on Monkey) you will come into contact with more people, some of which will be dicks and some of which will be on ebikes.  You'll just notice the ebike dicks more as you'll actually come into contact with them.