[Closed] E-Livid

trail_rat - Yeah i do dread that day people take e bikes up into the cairngorms

I can see the mrt call outs already .

"My batteries flat and im unable to get out from xyz remote location"

That is a reflection on the person not the equipment. Mountain rescue already exists, it hasn't been invented because of ebikes and most people they pull off the hills are walkers, those with the least amount of range and technical equipment.

mrlebowski - Uh?

I'm not applying it to you - I'm applying it to me!

They are MY reasons why eMTB is not for ME.

You have your own reasons for doing it & I'm sure they stack up.

I'm not stopping you from riding your motorised MTB anywhere..

Sorry, thought you were telling me I lived in a dull world.

I suggest a moratorium on ebike discussions.

The pro side don't rave about them or big then up, and we won't piss on your chips and moan about them. Deal?

"That is a reflection on the person not the equipment. Mountain rescue already exists, it hasn't been invented because of ebikes and most people they pull off the hills are walkers, those with the least amount of range and technical equipment."

I'm not sure what your point is.

There is no real difference imo between going in after a walker who's 5 miles away and lost through poor map reading/lack of food and over exertion than going in for someone someone who's battery ran out 15miles from the nearest vehicle access. Much like 4x4 only helps those that use it as a crutch in poor weather without the skills and knowledge to use it to get a bit further before getting stuck and complicating recovery....ebikes will let folk get further from help than previous on regular bikes or foot. The same argument was probably put forward when MTBs were invented though 😉

But there is a duty of care to prevent both from coming to harm

Each to their own, but if you make stuff too easy & too accessible where's the challenge & then where's the reward?....

Not everybody wants a challenge and a reward, they just want to get out and ride around for a bit (and make that riding around easy)
If it wasn't possible to make it easy they may not go at all.

Maybe ST have an e bike magazine in the offing like they did with Gravel.
They could call it Watt Bike?

kerley - Not everybody wants a challenge and a reward, they just want to get out and ride around for a bit (and make that riding around easy)
If it wasn't possible to make it easy they may not go at all.

This is partly my view too. some people just want a manageable chunk of exercise, if they go to the gym then they know that once they are worn out they can just step off and go home. an ebike means once you are worn out you can take it easy getting home but instead of watching concrete wall you've been watching hills and trees and sheep.

I've missed out on a good few rides with mates (coast to coast being one) as I knew I wasn't up to it, I'll never have the same time & potential fitness as someone who is younger, free and single as I have a less flexible job and a child and a wife that works silly long hours. an ebike would have meant I could have joined them. No one cares that they'd have done it under leg power and I'd have done it under leg and motor power because it'd have been 3 days of mates on bikes ripping the piss out of each other having fun.

They could call it Watt Bike?

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I don't think supposed trail erosion from e-bikes will ever match unsanctioned trail building for pissing off land owners and managers. I ride the Surrey hills a lot and they never seem too busy. As long as we all respect walkers and horse riders I can see no problems even if trail traffic triples.

As far as e-bikes are concerned, I'm going to give it a try. I was out doing laps of a hill that has 4 or 5 trails back down and I kept getting lapped by a mate out on his e-bike. He's one of the fastest downhill on the local trails seems to live out on the trails. He was loving it and literally got twice as much fun as I did - I don't find plodding back up the hill to be much fun. But haters are gunna hate!

Trail erosion is cause by bad riding ,over braking ,riders that can't corner ,riders riding around puddles and driving to riding spots and squeezing onto grass verges leaving ruts and dropping gel wrappers everywhere and that's been going on for years.some of ya need to get of ya high horses and go for a ride and chill it's only a pedal assisted bike

Tonyb

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Trail erosion is cause by bad riding ,over braking ,riders that can't corner ,riders riding around puddles and driving to riding spots and squeezing onto grass verges leaving ruts and dropping gel wrappers everywhere and that's been going on for years.some of ya need to get of ya high horses and go for a ride and chill it's only a pedal assisted bike

I have no problem with ebikes just don't sell them on bike shops.Keep them next to the big slippers, bath aids and bed hoists in the mobility shop