Im going to throw this out there .. yes im now E -curious and as the realisation that less is more .. 130 trail bike beats 170 big bike.. the Orbea Rise has taken my fancy.
The lower weight and less bulky look of the bike appeal to me . Im still a very active rider and think nothing of the 30mile plus with 4000 foot climb and hike a bike so a lighter E blaster again has me smiling.
Any Rise riders want to add a little info? and am I right in thinking Shimano still offer just 2 years on the motors ?
Thanks
There is a current thread running about the Rise.
I didn’t buy a rise, even though when I picked one up (m Ltd) I fell in love with it, reasons below
- shimano motor longevity and repairability issues on my previous ebike and they weren’t great with my warranty claim
- battery non removable (*I want to recharge in hotels, b&b, self catering etc)
To be honest if it wasn’t for the battery issue I might have cracked as the other lightweight options - TQ/fazua motors, don’t seem to be supplying much motor maintenance info either and it was so cheap I could have had it and 2.5/3 new motors for the same price as an equivalent trek exe
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The lower weight and less bulky look of the bike appeal to me . Im still a very active rider and think nothing of the 30mile plus with 4000 foot climb and hike a bike so a lighter E blaster again has me smiling.
The thing put me off EMTB are those who say "once you try you''ll never ride an acoustic bike again"
(Lets name Steve Jones and Rob Warner is living it if not saying it)
So I got given one (yeah lucky me I know) when my knee was really borked.... but the thing is although I love it I use it less than my other 2 bikes but more importantly differently.
The point I'm making is (finance/space aside) you can still keep and take your real bike out for a "30mile plus with 4000 foot climb and hike a bike" and in all likelihood since you love doing it will continue to do so.
Hike-a-bike is certainly a pain with a full fat but not impossible... but would you even do that or take a real bike?
I personally end up using my real bike because that's kinda the point..
On the other side I love going out with e-Mates on full fat and blasting everywhere... or if I'm riding alone for a quick 1-2 hours I use the e-Bike more. You can always turn the assistance down on a full fat but you can't turn it up on the half fat (technically you can but it invalidates the warranty)
(technically you can but it invalidates the warranty)
? Do you mean turning it up beyond what you can using the Shimano app somehow?
Do you mean turning it up beyond what you can using the Shimano app somehow?
Out of the box the rise is limited to 60nm torque,but using the stunlocker app its possible to get the full 85nm ,ie the same as the full fat ep8 motor provides - apparently.
Longevity with the motors is one of the main reasons my heads still saying ask dont just jump in . As for riding days I do love a climb yes im sadistic like that, but im now at a place where time is getting less and less. I can easily pop out after work for an hour or so but its limited to time. An e-blast would almost double what I could get away with. And the normal full bounce would still get used on full day plays.
I had a Rise for a 2-day demo, and then a 3-day demo on a full-fat 165mm eBike.
I then hired a Kenevo SL (170mm) at the Golfie, even less power.
I bought a Kenevo SL.
I had a Rise for a 2-day demo, and then a 3-day demo on a full-fat 165mm eBike.
I then hired a Kenevo SL (170mm) at the Golfie, even less power.
I bought a Kenevo SL.
Probably more dictated by the geometry/travel and where you were riding though, than the motors power or lack of it I suspect... I'd love a KSL, but don't do the riding any more to warrant one.
Longevity with the motors is one of the main reasons my heads still saying ask dont just jump in .
It's not an absolute rule for sure, but a rule of thumb certainly with the Shimano motors is the more torque that is used and more regularly, the quicker the motors die. Everyone I know who's sympathetic with their bikes when riding and changing gear has had no problems with their SP8 motors. I know a number of people who've had issues, but then they're often the kind of people who mash big gears and are using the higher power settings more often than not.
Any Rise riders want to add a little info?
Sadly illness has kept me off mine for a significant proportion of the 7 months I've had mine, but so far I've not regretted it at all. Had a full fat eMTB before hand that I never really got on with. Didn't like descending on a 26kg bike, felt it was inefficient and a waste of effort for my needs. Had considered giving a Levo SL a go when they got discounted heavily, but struggled with the slacker seat angle having got used to steeper seat angles, and realising it is overdue an update left it alone. The motor is good though still, a little noisy but very smooth and intuitive, and more than enough assist for what most people need.
My Rise is just over 19kg, my Vitus eSommet was over 26kg. My Nicolai G15 that also went when I got the Orbea Rise was 15kg. I don't really notice the extra 4kg the Rise weighs over the G15, I do notice the 7kg lighter it is than the Vitus significantly, and not just when lifting it over 5 bar gates either!
Also, the Orbea with it's 140/150 travel is just the right amount of travel for most UK trail riding I find... But then I've realised that for many years anyway. I've gone longer, I've gone shorter, and for general trail riding keep coming back to around these travel figures as the "Goldilocks" kind of setup for me.
? Do you mean turning it up beyond what you can using the Shimano app somehow?
What julians said ^^^
As for riding days I do love a climb yes im sadistic like that, but im now at a place where time is getting less and less. I can easily pop out after work for an hour or so but its limited to time. An e-blast would almost double what I could get away with. And the normal full bounce would still get used on full day plays.
I'd seriously consider a full fat for that... or at least try one properly.
That's probably where I use the turbo the most TBH... it gets me out when I might not then I have the fun blasting up especially if I'm alone and especially if I'm alone and its dark its lots of fun smashing the uphills.
Am looking at getting a rise as there are some really good deals on them at the moment.
The H30 can be had for £3.9k which is still a lot of mullah, but weirdly good value for a low weight eMtb.
Is there any reason to get the M over the cheaper H model ? Apart from lower weight with the carbon model, is there anything unique to the more expensive M that I’m missing.
The M (well, the original one) has a smaller battery.
The H30 can be had for £3.9k
I recently ordered one at that price from Sigma Sport. Much of the extra weight on the aluminium models is the bigger battery which I thought better than a carbon bike and paying extra for a range extender. For the money the H30 spec looks pretty competitive and is all perfectly good usable kit.
Recently got an m20. Had a focus Jam2 before that.
Only a couple of rides in but most reviews are accurate for the rise IMO.
Does feel like a ‘normal Mtb’ with assist. Just enough assist that it still fees like a pedal bike. I’m still using 51t rear on steep climbs in ECO for example.
Contrasted with the Focus which was 49-50lb lump and felt it. Focus was never a bike I’d want to use on a broad range of stuff. It was a winch up bomb down armchair of a bike. Good for that but not an all rounder. To dead feeling on milder trailsy stuff.
Rise will now replace the focus and normal full suss. No need for both. Rise is very usable motor off which the focus wasn’t - almost unuseable without motor.
I usually take range estimates with pinch of salt. But so far I’d say 360wh battery in rise is getting me about 25-33% more range than the 378wh focus. Lighter weight and more rider input I guess.
Gone tubeless, Carbon bars and lighter wheels and 40lbs exactly for a large. Only 5 lbs more than my regular full suss.
The H30 can be had for £3.9k I recently ordered one at that price from Sigma Sport. Much of the extra weight on the aluminium models is the bigger battery which I thought better than a carbon bike and paying extra for a range extender. For the money the H30 spec looks pretty competitive and is all perfectly good usable kit.
That’s exactly what I’m looking at, the H30 from sigma.
That’s with assegai/DHR combo could shave a bit more with lighter tyres but no point this time of year.
Fork is stock fox34. Any upgrade to that will add some weight but getting on ok with the 34 for now.
TBH rides ‘light’ out the box my weight weenie upgrades really not essential and prob won’t change ride that much. I fancied getting down to 40lb just cos.
