You don't need to be an 'investor' to invest in Singletrack: 6 days left: 95% of target - Find out more
this popped up on my bbc news feed
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/crlry1rd9w3o
the title is "e bike rider crashes into pedestrian".
Now the e-biker is clearly going too fast (poss on an unrestricted bike?) and possibly on a path, however is it just me or does the pedestrian stick his arm out and effectively clothsline the lad? Reminded me of this sad incident with the old lady.. https://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/manslaughter-of-a-cyclist/
The fact that he was charged with motoring offences suggests that the police, at least, were well aware that it was not an e-bike. Time for another complaint to the BBC.
Someone shot past us the other day on a clearly de-restricted e-bike, he wasn't pedalling and was properly shifting (although no, I don't have radar gun vision).
It's very frustrating because to the knee jerking motorist (or terrified pedestrian) he's just 'a cyclist'.
Genie's out of the bottle now unfortunately.
The fact that he was charged with motoring offences suggests that the police, at least, were well aware that it was not an e-bike. Time for another complaint to the BBC.
if you've an un-restricted e-bike, doesn't it count towards motoring offenses (effectively falling outside of the remit of a push bike), regardless of whether its got pedals or not?
the rider was definitely a wrong-un - https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/teenage-biker-hits-pedestrian-races-29733329
The biker then picked himself up and approached the injured man, swearing and abusing him and threatening to knife him. Staff from a nearby cafe along with passers-by went to check on the pedestrian, and Stanciu - who had by now been joined by a number of other youngsters - tried to push over tables outside the cafe as he walked away.
but even the bloody mail calls it a motorbike not an e-bike 🙂
Now the e-biker is clearly going too fast (poss on an unrestricted bike?) and possibly on a path, however is it just me or does the pedestrian stick his arm out and effectively clothsline the lad?
Why, yes, he does. Looked like he might have given himself an ouchy too in the process.
that most definitely looks like a deliberate strike by the pedestrian to me. both should be charged.
plenty of illegal e bikes smashing it around our city. mostly delivery riders. on the road Im less.fussed but when they are smashing it through pedestrian areas or parks they should be stopped and charged. amazed there arent more accidents
That's a motorbike. Not an eBike.
In other news, 20,000 pedestrians are hit by cars annually, that's one a day killed.
that most definitely looks like a deliberate strike by the pedestrian to me. both should be charged
by "both" do you mean "pedestrian" and by "charged" mean "given a medal"?
I've had a moan to the Beeb about calling it an eBike.
by “both” do you mean “pedestrian” and by “charged” mean “given a medal”?
Yeah, another cyclist bites tarmac, the more the better, ****s don't even pay tax.
"that most definitely looks like a deliberate strike by the pedestrian to me. both should be charged"
Seriously? The court accepted it was a slow down gesture.
The rider has a long record of violence and came back after the crash to threaten the pedestrian.
"A judge at Swansea Crown Court said it was clear the 18-year-old - who has a history of offending including threatening with a bladed article, affray, burglary, sexual assault, possession of cannabis, public order matters, criminal damage, and possession of knives - believed he was a "big man" in a gang."
As per the Wales Online posted above
@5lab Call me naive but this
The biker then picked himself up and approached the injured man, swearing and abusing him and threatening to knife him.
Might have something to do with this
just me or does the pedestrian stick his arm out and effectively clothsline the lad?
Watch the video, ped had hands in pockets until the bike went by, I'm guessing he whacked the brake which caused the OTB.
@zilog6128 Right or wrong, that could have been a manslaughter charge and there are arseholes out there that would take great delight in doing the same to someone in the right. Think about that before cheering on brain dead vigilante shit.
Seriously? The court accepted it was a slow down gesture.
So he was concerned about his own safety but not so much that he tried to avoid him?
Not disputing the rider was in the wrong or whether he's a massive arsehole but nothing about that looks like a slow down gesture.
The court accepted it was a slow down gesture.
they didn't. The prosecutor claimed that the pedestrian did a slow down gesture, but as the wrongun pled guilty they don't (afaik) have any chance to refute that - it didn't change the fact he was driving dangerously in the first place.
The ped broke his wrist, and interestingly the rider wasn't charged with causing serious injury by dangerous driving, despite that injury reaching the threshold for "serious injury". I suspect that the CPS thought that charge may not stick.
We don't know the ped wasn't charged with anything, tbf. it wouldn't come up in this court case
I’ve had a moan to the Beeb about calling it an eBike.
Is it not an ebike? It's been discussed on here before, and it's clear most people here (including myself) recognise an ebike as an electronically assisted bicycle. But I'm not sure whether the fact it has pedals or not changes that term, whether we like it or not. Personally I would prefer it reffered to as an electric motorbike.
More concerning for me is that contrary to the headline, that appears to be an assault on the rider, yet they've portrayed the pedestrian as the victim.
that would have to be a VERY close pass at speed for the pedestrian to have had any chance of such a minimal movement hitting the bike. He does remove his hand, but so what? He doesn’t raise his arm and you can tell by how and where his arm was spun around that it was a glancing blow.
The yob put himself and everyone else at risk and paid (some of) the price (a degloving might have lessened his ability for further knife and bike crime). Let’s face it, in that location on a wet path, It could easily have been a OAP, pregnant woman or a kid that walked out of the shops and didn’t suffer a glancing blow, but a fatal impact.
Stop looking for ways to lessen the stupidity of the idiot that caused this.
From a quick google other news sources (Wales Online, Mail) correctly call it a motorbike. You'd expect the BBC to report at a higher standard so bad for them to make such an obvious mistake.
bad for them to make such an obvious mistake
They do it so often it's hard not to conclude that it's editorial policy. I've raised a complaint too.
Think about that before cheering on brain dead vigilante shit.
Nah. I am very lefty about most things but this I’m happy to go full gammon on. Orrible scrotes are a blight on most communities these days - I’ve no doubt it’s bad in somewhere like Port Talbot. There’s no police, no parenting, no consequences. People are sick to the back teeth with it. If a member of the community wants to take it upon himself (though there’s no actual evidence that’s what happened here?) then more power to them. Where’s that Ivan Drago gif??
they didn’t. The prosecutor claimed that the pedestrian did a slow down gesture, but as the wrongun pled guilty they don’t (afaik) have any chance to refute that – it didn’t change the fact he was driving dangerously in the first place.
You can refute details of the crown narration BUT that could mean the case goes to trial or at least to proof to establish the point. Usually if there’s a controversial point it would be agreed between the lawyers “he’ll plead guilty if you say/don’t say X”.
From this image, I would say that the rider was swerving towards the pedestrian in an attempt to intimidate.
Time for another complaint to the BBC.
DOne.
Looks to me like it was a swipe that maybe caught front brake lever.
But it also looks like bike-boy was swerving towards him deliberately so could have just been an instinctive reaction.
Not going to get too upset about the bike going down in this case, I'm afraid.
But it also looks like bike-boy was swerving towards him deliberately so could have just been an instinctive reaction.
Not going to get too upset about the bike going down in this case, I’m afraid.
I wouldn't argue with any of this, bike rider is clearly in the wrong whichever way you look at it. None of this makes the headline any less incorrect imo.
Text under the video now says electric motorcycle. And yes, he deserved what he got.
Stop looking for ways to lessen the stupidity of the idiot that caused this.
Who's doing that? I missed that one.
Nah. I am very lefty about most things but this I’m happy to go full gammon on.
Cool, I look forward to you defending the next person that shoves a passing cyclist in "self-defence". Or is that somehow different?
From this image, I would say that the rider was swerving towards the pedestrian in an attempt to intimidate.
From that image I could also say that the pedestrian is walking towards the cyclist in an attempt to knock his bars.
That's the thing about a static image, it says nothing about context, for all we know the cyclist is already sliding out or the ped is turning face in to avoid rather than side stepping.
Text under the video now says electric motorcycle.
As ever, way too late after millions have read the headline and text for the last few days and though 'bloody cyclists'.
I too complained, but I actually asked if this was an editorial decision on the part of BBC to use the term ebike to contribute to the culture wars, and asked for a response.
Yeah, another cyclist bites tarmac, the more the better, **** don’t even pay tax.
Apologies, you seem to be confused about what a cyclist is.... There ain't no cyclist in that picture
I'm not seeing the pedestrian do anything wrong there. The CPS and court will have looked at this and potentially other evidence before charging and convicting him, this isn't some sort of anti-bike conspiracy or whatever people seem to want it to be.
Scooter* gets whats coming seems an apt headline.
*interesting autocorrect for "scrote "
There's a definite agenda against e-bikes. They're trying to cloud the difference between e-bikes and electric motorcycles - on purpose. Every electric motorcycle incident becomes and e-bike incident!
There’s a definite agenda against e-bikes. They’re trying to cloud the difference between e-bikes and electric motorcycles – on purpose. Every electric motorcycle incident becomes and e-bike incident!
And yet that well known lover of cyclists, the Daily Wail, managed to correctly identify the vehicle. I'm going with "yet more shit show journalism" from the BBC, rather than an agenda/conspiracy.
Some of us need to hang on to our tinfoil hats and give our heads a wobble.
(Wink emoji)
Apologies, you seem to be confused about what a cyclist is…. There ain’t no cyclist in that picture
Well done, have a biscuit.
Now read the rest of my posts and see what my general point was.
I'm with MoreCash, I think the lazy reporting of "ebikes" is more cock-up then conspiracy.
We understand the difference (albeit still open to some interpretation!), but most people just see a bike without an (IC) engine and think "bicycle".
Journalists are, unfortunately most people, now that their job is to get attention and clicks, as much as to get things right...
Edited to add that we not only understand the difference but also have a vested interest in the accuracy...
Journalists are, unfortunately most people, now that their job is to get attention and clicks, as much as to get things right…
Yes, and also, as I understand it, the new hires get the courthouse assignment so they are reporting on a whole bunch of crimes they don't really understand. Some fresh out of uni cub reporter will report that cattle rustlers made off with a truckload of cows and the cowboy forums will be filled with posts irate that it was steers that were stolen, not cows, and that it's obviously a conspiracy against cowboys.
I've had a response to my complaint. They've changed the headline . Is it an improvement? I'm not sure.
They use biker all the time for motorcyclist - i don't like it but its not wrong. Some people here get animated about "car kills cyclist" rather than "driver kills cyclist" so at least biker established there was a human being in control. Can't say I can worked up about e-bike anyway though.
Just got the reply to say they've changed the headline. I wasn't super chuffed but they do say it's an electric motorbike in the article so I'll take that as a win.
Vigilante pedestrian assaults illegal motorcyclist would be more accurate.
If you drive an illegal motorbike at high speed 18" away from a pedestrian any consequences are on you
I had a response to my complaint also.
If you illegally ride a a bicycle off road at high speed 18″ away from a pedestrian any consequences are on you
Yes? No?
From this image, I would say that the rider was swerving towards the pedestrian in an attempt to intimidate.
Oh boolocks
With the vid slowed right down, the rider was about 2 feet from the pedestrian as the ped' began to take his had out his pocket.
But anyway, anybody on a bike doing any speed is not going to deliberately run into anyone, as its obvious you'd end up crashing.
Rider is at fault due to speed and was too close to the pedestrian who clearly saw him coming and did nothing to make sure he himself was safe by moving aside. If the pedestrian did attempt to strike the rider then he's as dumb as they come and in line for a Darwin award some point int he future.
As cyclists feel free to try to strike a fast moving object on the way past, with you being the fast mover and a light pole being the object, and you'll be lucky if you dont shatter every bone in your hand or arm.
Sadly the rider will get away with a token punishment.
From that image I could also say that the pedestrian is walking towards the cyclist in an attempt to knock his bars.
The pedestrian doesn't look the type to take any shit from people and is just holding his ground asserting his right to walk there without having to jump out of the way of scrotes on electric motor bikes. Kinda like how you have to be as a cyclist on the road in some respects. Zero sympathy for scrote here.
E-bikes ?. Maybe it's women on fixies they should be worrying about.
Class 1 muppet here. Defines the term 'Entitled'
Accident waiting to happen. Laughed when she commented on a driver not signalling.
Going slightly off topic - Have you ever looked up the police auctions - quite a few Surrons there that I'd think it would be more cost effective to crush rather than put back on the streets ?
Fiona's video above just kept giving me visions of this:
