[Closed] dog bite.

Is the dog ok. 😯

Tetanus might be a good idea.

If you know who owns the dog, report to the police
The dog will be destroyed if found to dangerously out of control in a public place, and caused injury.
Seems harsh, but I had experience of this 15 years ago, bull terrier savaged a 3 year old, it had bitten before but the person didnt want to report it!
Next time it bites could be a small child's face it hooks onto

I dont know the people but my gopro was running at the time so although it wasnt pointing in the right direction the people and the dog should be identifiable.

Judging by the OP's account, the dog was not dangerously out of control. The dog was obviously feeling threatened by the OP's presence and was reacting instinctively.

I, as a dog owner, would object to the suggestion of euthanasia for something that could be avoided by a little bit of training of the dog and owner.

It's not like the owner just let their dog continue attacking the OP.

something that could be avoided by a little bit of training of the dog and owner

Apparently he doesn't like cyclists

I agree highclimber, maybe what happened is enough for the owner to keep the dog on a lead more of the time. But how do I know, I dont want a dog destroyed unnecessarily but better control is needed.

Apparently he doesn't like cyclists

But then some cyclists dont like dogs , but then its rare for a cyclist to bite a dog.

Get to hospital. Dog bite that breaks the skin can be serious. Strangely not as serious in terms of infection as a human bite. But anyway, you'll get a dose of antibiotics most likely and your jabs updated. Worry about legalities later. Go now.

It's not like the owner just let their dog continue attacking the OP

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Bites-human-and-animal/Pages/Treatment.aspx

The dog was dangerously out of control in a public place it then injured someone , so the offence becomes aggravated.
The original poster said the owner was struggling to control the dog.

In this case the dog owner is guilty of having a dog dangerously out of control in a public place.
I am a dog owner/ lover, but not a fan of dogs that bite people, I have seen first hand the catastrophic consequences of a dog that was off a lead an uncontrolled

Muzzle.

Kick.

So letting it bite the OP in first place is OK?

I don't think the owner [u]let[/u] their dog bite the OP - they didn't set the dog on them, - and I certainly didn't suggest that they should!

I have reported it now. I will get jabs too.

High limber
A dog owner should have their dog under control when in a public place
This owner clearly didn't, because it bit someone
End of story

highclimber - Member

Judging by the OP's account, the dog was not dangerously out of control.

You know, I just KNEW it wouldn't be the dog's fault.

The dog was obviously feeling threatened by the OP's presence and was reacting instinctively.

Oh, the poor thing. Can we get it some counselling?
It bit him. It was out of control and dangerous.

I, as a dog owner, would object to the suggestion of euthanasia for something that could be avoided by a little bit of training of the dog and owner.

Bit late now, isn't it?
Owner should have had the dog under control.
Perhaps they could get a hamster next time?

It's not like the owner just let their dog continue attacking the OP.

No you're right, it's a win/win situation for everyone, isn't it?

I don't think the owner [u]let[/u] their dog bite the OP

By the way, I don't blame the dog.

This owner clearly didn't, because it bit someone

You weren't there. Just because a dog bit someone doesn't mean it was out of control. Dogs bite for a variety of reasons and if you weren't there, you cannot say whether or not it was out of control. From what I read of the OP, the dog was minding it's own business, the OP rode along and the dog felt threatened by their presence and instincts took over, the owner grabbed the dog but the OP was unfortunately bit before they could regain control of the dog.

The owner clearly needs to reassess their handling of their dog, The OP should report the incident regardless and he should probably get their wound looked at but I don't believe that this dog was dangerously out of control - just one that doesn't like cyclists. Maybe we should euthanise some HGV drivers with similar thoughts on cyclists!

You weren't there. Just because a dog bit someone doesn't mean it was out of control.

Really?
I don't believe you.
I think you're wrong.
And you weren't there either. 😀

..........the owner grabbed the dog but the OP was unfortunately bit before they could regain control of the dog.

So it WAS out of control?
Make your mind up.

Maybe we should euthanise some HGV drivers with similar thoughts on cyclists!

Strangely, dogs are NOT people.
Something a lot of dog owners seem to forget.

By the way, I don't blame the dog.

me neither and I'm not defending the poor dog owners out there, my point is there's not enough information in the OP to conclude the dog was 'dangerously out of control'.

So it WAS out of control?

yes, but was it dangerously out of control?

Yes, it bit someone!

Seriously, I hope you're trolling.
If not, you're the best example of 'blinkered dog-owner syndrome' I've seen for ages.

You weren't there. Just because a dog bit someone doesn't mean it was out of control. Dogs bite for a variety of reasons and if you weren't there, you cannot say whether or not it was out of control.

Unless the owner had requested the dog to bite the person, it was out of control.
It's not complicated.

Dog objected to tights I suspect, especially in the current very mild weather! 😛

If the owner of the dog knew their dog does not like cyclists it should be their responsibility to keep their dog on a lead where they may meet a cyclist.

Owner should get a fine for not keeping good control of their dog in my opinion.

In my ideal world, I would shoot the dog owner, then the dog!

But then some cyclists dont like dogs

Seems to plenty of cyclists on here who like dogs I certainly do.

You really should report the issue with the dog biting you, I suspect it'll just mean they get told to put it on a lead in future they don't automatically destroy the dog.

highclimber - Member

Judging by the OP's account, the dog was not dangerously out of control. The dog was obviously feeling threatened by the OP's presence and was reacting instinctively.

I, as a dog owner, would object to the suggestion of euthanasia for something that could be avoided by a little bit of training of the dog and owner.

Guys relax, you seem to be getting crosser than me! Ok tights is a bit nesh, but ive been poorly so I have.

I'm not going out for a cull, but I'd like to make sure the owner takes more responsibility in the future, assuming that they are traceable, the incident may well have shaken them and caused a rethink anyway.
Let's take a lead from Nelson Mandela and not think the worst of people.

Let's take a lead from Nelson Mandela and not think the worst of people.

I would still report it and let the trained professionals "risk assess" the dog

Let's take a lead from Nelson Mandela and ......…

strangle the dog with it !

 

Thanks old boy I needed to laugh. As I said earlier I have reported it, and will be giving a full statement in the morning. I will also go to the gp and make sure tetanus etc are up to date.

won`t somebody please think of the children

Edited.

I can't think of anything original either. 🙂

I have also been the victim of a dog bite while commuting. Circumstances matter when assessing the control or lack thereof.
Eg did the dog bite when one attempted to reassure it or, did it charge and then bite?
Mine was the second and I reported it as the young lady had no control and did not attempt to stop the dog. The OP also appears to be the victim of a similar attack. Though we don't have all the information, it's good the attack has been reported though.

Are there circumstances when being bitten by a dog in a public open space is acceptable; any dog owners care to comment? because I can't think of any....

pnik - Member
Let's take a lead from Nelson Mandela

She could probably get a lead from a pet shop much easier but hear what your saying about him not needing it anymore.

Get it reported, some dogs off leads are a pain in the backside.

Two dogs off the lead charged at me yesterday as I was riding uphill, they were barking and carrying on so I got off my bike and put it between me and them. They kept circling round and charging/ barking. A couple of minutes later the owner appears round the corner and berates me for putting my bike between me and the dogs, she says they don't like bikes 🙄 . I told her I didn't like dogs that weren't under control and suggested she keep them on the lead. Then as I continued on my merry way she shouts "Have a bit more respect for the woods [i]we all use[/i]!" oh teh ironing!
I carried on and forgot about it on the next bit of sweet singletrack 8) until now 👿

If you give a statement and it goes to prosecution, the magistrates must make an order for the destruction of the dog, if it is an aggravated offence, which yours is.So if you don't want to see the dog destroyed, think about giving a statement.
Then again, if yiu don't give a statement, the dog is free to bite again, and it may be a young child's face it grips next time.

Then again, if yiu don't give a statement, the dog is free to bite again, and it may be a young child's face it grips next time.

I'd be pretty upset if I and my dog got dragged through the courts, culminating in the dog being destroyed, which is what sounds like is going to happen here.

On the other hand I'd be upset if I was bitten by a dog. And my dog doesn't bite people (anymore), she just barks like a mad thing (what do you expect from a springer).

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For a [b]small dog[/b] just give it a gentle (slight force) kick to the head.

For a [b]medium size dog[/b] do the same but with slightly more force but be very careful as they would use the mouth and teeth as defense. Use the heel of your shoes but try not to extend / stretch you leg too far out coz your calf would be exposed and a good chuck of it will be missing. i.e. the dog would "side way bite". Also it be will rather difficult to balance on your bike with one leg stretch out. Keep your feet close and only stretch to about 100 degree.

For a [b]large dog[/b] you need to use something strong (solid) to whack at its snout between the eyes and the tip of the nose. i.e. the bridge of the nose. In an emergency aim well and hit it with almighty force ... you will see the dog drops in an instant and may even not get up anymore.

As a kid, I got chase by dogs in my village everyday. Yes, everyday. Normally 2 with one at each side. Sometime I would get chase by a the devil dog in my village - a cross mastiff and Rottweiler ... I would hit with a 2.5 feet hard wood stick (hard wood from far east jungle), the dog would back off immediately. As I did not intend to cause harm to all the dogs, the cycle continues everyday until eventually all the dogs died of old age and I got my driving license. As for the dogs owners I know them all so no big deal ... either they let me hit their dogs or I hit their children. 😆

Svagalis
If you had attended the scene of a dog bite like I did and saw the whole side of a young boys face literally hanging off,you wouldn't be so flippant. :
I could see inside his mouth because his cheek had been ripped off,

easygirl - Member

Svagalis
If you had attended the scene of a dog bite like I did and saw the whole side of a young boys face literally hanging off, I could see inside his mouth because his cheek had been ripped off, you wouldn't be so flippant.

Bloody hell that's scary ... how did that happen? 😯

The worst I have seen in past was a direct full force mouth bite to the calf with deep punctured wound and blood coming out.

Bull terrier broke its lead, ran through open door into front room of a house where a young child was playing on carpet, dog attacked child, ripping its check clean off.it had bitten another child about 4 months previous,only minor on the first occasion.
Child's mother didn't report the dog on that occasion.
This was before the dangerous dogs act

[quote=highclimber said]Just because a dog bit someone doesn't mean it was out of control.

I'm wondering in what possible world that statement makes sense. Are you assuming the owner told the dog to bite?

[quote=oldboy said]In my ideal world, I would shoot the dog owner, then the dog!

Remember to save a bullet for highclimber 😉

I'm wondering in what possible world that statement makes sense. Are you assuming the owner told the dog to bite?

I was trying to highlight the difference between an owner that cannot control their dog and a dog that is out of control i.e. a dog that is normally obedient but has been startled and is responding with instinct and a dog that is dangerously out of control. I suspect the OP has been an unfortunate victim of the former and nothing that needs more than a bit of advice given to the owner. I genuinely think the talk of executing a dog that has nipped someone is OTT - we're not talking gaping wounds and faces being ripped off as easygirl seems to think this is.

may be op was on a cheeky ride,and the owner thought that cyclists wernt allowed to ride on the footpaths

I'd also like to highlight that the OP even said the dog was merely 'poorly controlled' and not 'out of control'

If a dog attempts to bite you kick it as hard as you f#$*@*g can. I did this when my old dog was attacked and it works. I have also landed one on a snarling sheepdog while on my bike. They have teeth - I have size 10s, they use them I use them.

I did, and im sorry that some of the discussion has got so emotional. I dont want to go into too much detail here as it would be inappropriate now that I have reported it. Opinions inevitably are borne out of personal experience (or tabloid journalism) and one persons lively pet is anothers dangerous menace.
It is my view that the high spirited animal should not be off the lead or possibly without a muzzle, im no expert and intend to hand it over to such people.

[quote=highclimber said]I was trying to highlight the difference between an owner that cannot control their dog and a dog that is out of control i.e. a dog that is normally obedient but has been startled and is responding with instinct and a dog that is dangerously out of control.

I have a hair here. Any chance you could split it for me? I'm really struggling to understand the distinction between a dog which the owner cannot control and a dog which is out of control - clearly it's too subtle for me.

There seems to be this expectation from some dog owners that other people are required to modify their behaviour to accomodate the dog - that's the attitude I've got from owners on all occasions I've been bitten. A dog bite is never acceptable or excusable - if you can't control the dog when it's not on a lead then it shouldn't be off the lead.

Am i allowed to bite cyclists if i am startled and it's just my instincts? or does that that apply to only dogs?

Also, if you cannot control your dog it is not under control regardless of it is 'normally' obedient.

svalgis - Member - Quote

Then again, if yiu don't give a statement, the dog is free to bite again, and it may be a young child's face it grips next time.

Well, that's okay - maybe the dog just doesn't like children. No worries.

If a dog was ever to bite me id find the nearest heavy thing and beat the ****er to death.

I was bitten in the face as a child by a 'friendly family pet'. It turned out this lovely dog had bitten one of the owners children previously.

It wasn't startled or frightened and relying on its instincts, it simply walked over and then launched itself at my face.

I have owned dogs myself since but am of the opinion that any dog that ever bites a human (without provocation) should be despatched. They're just dogs.

If a dog bites anybody for any reason it is out of control.

Not a difficult concept really

Are there circumstances when being bitten by a dog in a public open space is acceptable; any dog owners care to comment? because I can't think of any....

If you were to approach a dog on a lead that was making a noise at you and attempt to reassure it and received a bite that would be down to you not the dog, but that's about the only scenario where it [b]may[/b] be acceptable.

It's a shame the same hardline approach demonstrated here to wrongdoing is not present in the car threads too.

Is this actually a Daily Mail article in disguise?

It's fairly simple, if the owner has a dog that bites people (sounds like without provocation) then it should go out muzzled.