[Closed] dog attack best stance to take ?

You need to practice your technique. Quickly unclip when offending wee rat is approaching, and it's a sort of a stamping motion, quite easy really. If you make proper contact, the wee rat generally scurries away, so you've also planted the seed in the wee rats head for next time too.

Win win.

Don't get me wrong, I love dogs but if one bit me & drew blood it would be getting drop kicked over the horizon!

If there's a dog that's off its lead and heading towards me barking and stuff, I make sure to aim directly at it and put the kindness bomb back in my pocket.

Get off. Bike between you and dog. 99% of time lift up bike and dog craps itself.

A biting dog needs to be put down. Should have stopped, taken control of dog and called cops.

I've only had trouble on foot recently, I find that charging at the bugger while yelling angrily and trying to boot it hard works well. Even though I haven't managed more that a glancing blow yet. Not sure it would work for anything really big, but in that event I'm probably stuffed anyway.

I was bitten few months back with the slowing to hopefully calm dog... Won't ever make same mistake again !!

Yes I like dogs but one baring teeth now get quick boot in chops ...

That dog could bite some little kiddie on a bike next time , I allways make sure a dog gets a kick if it goes for me , shouldn't be happening IMO , ive had dog owners laughting before until Ive booted the thing .

What toys said. On the couple of occasions a snarling barking dog has been coming at me I've cycled away as quick as I bloody well could. Why on earth would you stop?

Would be far better booting the owner over the horizon, dog can't help if stupid owner has trained it to attack unknowns. Little yappy dogs are always badly trained because they are treated like children and not the pack animals they actually are.

Booting it is unfortunately not going to make it stop it's bad behavior for the next person/child as it is probably attacking out of fear. It will just fear even more after being kicked by a cyclist. The owner needs to introduce the dog to bikes and cyclists in a controlled way...difficult I know! If possible just try avoid the offending dog and cycle off.

Booting it is unfortunately not going to make it stop it's bad behavior for the next person/child as it is probably attacking out of fear. It will just fear even more after being kicked by a cyclist. The owner needs to introduce the dog to bikes and cyclists in a controlled way...difficult I know! If possible just try avoid the offending dog and cycle off.

Nonsense. Dogs ain't stupid, they learn quickly.

Depends on the type of dog. If it was a rotty, pitbull / staffy thing or other 'big n' nasty' breed I'd be peddling until my body collapsed and praying that I didn't have some mechanical failure.

I recently got chased by a yappy rat thing. It ran towards me while the owner (woman) was flapping and yelling for it to come back. It was a fast little bugger but I kept just ahead of it. I must have followed me for about a mile. I wonder if it made its way back to its owner or got lost and starved to death.

We've always had retrievers. 2 goldies and 3 flatties. Wonderful dogs and they don't go for people. Shame you didn't report this incident OP as the next victim could be a child.

As soon as me & my mate come across dodgy dogs we stop & arm ourselves with whatever is handy, sticks, rocks, whatever. When I'm on my own & have a water bottle I'll give the mutt a squirt even if it just approaches me, If I'm using a bladder then a big gobful of water blasted as loudly & as hard as possible has also been effective.

If I'm using a bladder then a big gobful of water blasted as loudly & as hard as possible has also been effective.

sounds like a laugh, any videos of you spitting water at dogs?

You should definitely report it. If it helps, dog walkers are habitual creatures and often return to the same spot. Being in the same place at the same time will likely give you an opportunity to see if the offender arrives in a vehicle with some unique identifying marks (usually low down near the front and back), or you even be able to track the creature back to its nest if it is local.

Change your route, especially if this happens in the dark...it's bad enough having the mad axe-man behind every tree without a mad dog there too

As a dog owner I find it unacceptable for any dog off a lead to be unable to recall on command or be aggressive.

Unfortunately this lack of control is down to the owners lack of application of training or obedience for their dog.

Like cars, some people feel dog ownership is a right not a privilege.

I would have reported the incident as well as advising the owner you were, if the dog can't be trusted or isn't trained not to bite or snap it needs to wear a muzzle when out and about.

Had three dogs with muzzles on run up to us yesterday, barking like goodun's. We stopped and waited for the owner to get the dogs under control. Apparently the reason they do this to cyclists is because "a cyclist kicked one once".

There was probably a reason why 🙂

Crane might be best. (In answer to the question posted by the OP).

Kill it with fire

As Lummox said, a bitey dog shouldn't be allowed off-lead in a public place, and if it's not muzzled, the owner should make sure it's on a short lead. If a dog (even non-bitey) has poor recall, they should be getting training and only let off in quiet, secure locations (for the dog's safety as much as anything else - you don't want it running into danger, people's gardens, into dog-aggressive dogs, dog-aggressive people, etc).

People can be dismissive of the bites of little dogs, but they've got teeth like bloody needles! If you see them again on the same route and the dog is out of control, report it to the local dog warden (might be worth reporting anyway).

Yep, big, HUGE dog lover and owner here....but....in that situation a drop kick is the only solution.

Sprint while urging the dog on. Owner then spends hours finding the dog and might think about keeping said dog under control in future.

Report it - it's an offence, and very likely to have the owner arrested or cautioned for allowing their dog to bite someone.

I wouldn't kick the dog, unless in self-defence to stop it from biting me.

Depends on the size of dog.

Big dog = either ride away as quick as possible, or dismount and use bike as a barrier (while trying to escape)

Small dog = kick as hard as possible.

I tell people to ride at my dog if she gets in their way. She'll soon move.
Definitely not a biter, but yeah, aim at it. They do learn.

you should have bitten it back!! 😉

seriously though bike between rider and dog...but if it manages to get past the bike than its getting a penalty kick into row Z!

I'm a dog lover, have two of my own, but in this case you should have reported it. If a dog can't be recalled and is prone to biting people it should definitely not be off the lead.

OT... I was reported once, it was alleged one of my dogs had bitten a guy. What had [i]actually[/i] happened was his dog attacked us (both of mine on short leads, his off the lead, ignoring him completely and making a beeline for us across the park). He, the stupid owner, then stuck his hands in the middle of the commotion to try and retrieve his dog 🙄 One thing you do not ever do in that situation, is stick your hands in there. Because you [b]will[/b] get bitten. It was quite possibly his own dog that bit him. That dog went on to attack a cyclist, and then something else happened that I never got the full details of, but it resulted in the dog being destroyed. That was a Newfoundland, not a breed particularly known for being aggressive. Just a massive tw4t of an owner.

I'm actually pretty disappointed to hear there are so many vicious little dogs out there. I'm thankful that I'm yet to come across one, I'd definitely be thinking about giving it a kick if anything untoward happened

I'm a dog lover and a dog owner, my black lab is only likely to come towards you if you start throwing him food!

I wouldn't kick the dog, unless in self-defence to stop it from biting me.

Errr, that's the exact scenario posed here...

I've booted a dog before which had a go at my foot, then came back for a second attempt, and would gladly do it again. It's a very satisfying feeling when you connect with them.

South paw 🙄

Booted a little yappy dog myself last summer, after it nipped my heal. I was surprised at how much I enjoyed doing it. The owner was furious and went completely mental, waving her flabby arms around and shouting how I "wasn't a very nice man". Told her I'd enjoy kicking her too if she was hanging off my foot by her teeth

Booting it is unfortunately not going to make it stop it's bad behavior for the next person/child as it is probably attacking out of fear.

If you get attacked your choices are fight or flee
It depends on many factors not least the size of the dog and how you are with dogs

@njee - I'm not getting into hypothetical scenarios about what might/could have happened.

The thing that surprises me most is that people don't report these attacks more often, and that the dog owners do anything other than brick themselves, given that they are liable for arrest if their dog bites someone.

That was a Newfoundland, not a breed particularly known for being aggressive

Owners of giant breeds do have an extra layer of responsibility I reckon. The sheer bulk and strength means a bad'un can really do some damage. A massive dog running towards you is pretty terrifying even if it just wants to say hello to you / your dog...

@njee - I'm not getting into hypothetical scenarios about what might/could have happened.

But it's not a hypothetical situation. The OP was bitten by a dog. You said:

I wouldn't kick the dog, unless in self-defence to stop it from biting me.

But that's exactly what happened! I'd agree if he'd hoofed it speculatively because it was running towards him, but it had already done the bitey thing, so a well placed punt to the chin would be very justifiable on self defence grounds!

I normally find that barking back at them (Very loud and aggressive ) works very effectively to check their approach.

@njee - I should have known.

OK, to satisfy you, what I could have expanded upon, but did not originally was that I did not propose to go chasing after the dog, after being bitten and beat/kick it.

To save the hypothetical pondering - I wasn't there, so have no idea how fast this all happened, where the dog came from etc.

In summary, I would rather people were not bitten by dogs in the first place, and one very effective way of making that happen is to prosecute the owners.

I normally find that barking back at them (Very loud and aggressive ) works very effectively to check their approach.

I might try that actually

Been bitten twice in the last 2 - 3 months, just healed after the first bite then bitten again in exactly the same place - left calf. In both instances I had slowed down to avoid running into it.

In both cases the owners first comments as I swore loudly were "what did it do?" and when I replied that it had **** bit me, they both replied "Oh, he's never done that before..."

Really annoyed me that they couldn't see the thing take a bite at my leg - And got very uptight when I suggested calmly that if they can't control it then it should be on a lead!

a well placed punt to the chin would be very justifiable on [s]self defence[/s] retaliation grounds!

🙂

Edit : Horse/bolted and all that...

@njee - I should have known.

OK, to satisfy you, what I could have expanded upon, but did not originally was that I did not propose to go chasing after the dog, after being bitten and beat/kick it.

I don't need satisfying, it was a genuine confusion over your post, I wasn't sure if you were suggesting people were wrong in the OP's case to kick the offending mutt, and that you'd only do so if it had actually bitten you first.

So,

You've just been bitten.

You're still out on the trail - who do you call?

Dogbusters...?

Nonsense. Dogs ain't stupid, they learn quickly.

Back when I was a paperboy, I had a jack russell chase after me every day for four years. I used to slow down to let it catch up, then cycle off again. Eventually it would realise it was now a long way from its house, and toddle off home.

slow down to get past it then ride off generally works.

if it bit me id be calling the cops and demanding it be put down.

Unless its lion sized I try, if stopped, to keep the bike between me and it and when then opportunity arises beat shit out of it. Not in a way that might actually cause damage because that's gets complicated but a bloody good slapping and punching. Did it once and the damn thing ran away howling. The owner just looked at me but later I was told that it avoided bikes from then on. 😆

Nonsense. Dogs ain't stupid, they learn quickly.
Back when I was a paperboy, I had a jack russell chase after me every day for four years. I used to slow down to let it catch up, then cycle off again. Eventually it would realise it was now a long way from its house, and toddle off home.

Exactly. If you'd booted it the first time, he'd never have done it again!.

I've never been bitten by a dog, but one thing I have noticed is that dog walkers really appreciate it if they get a bit of time to issue a command to their dog as you approach, and a bit of time for the dog to respond and come to heel or sit or whatever.. lot's of dog walkers seem to like to grab their dog so that when you pass, it doesn't freak out..

Giving dogs and their owners [b]plenty[/b] of time to react to my presence has generally worked out OK for me so far..
On the very rare occasion that I get a freaky dog chasing me I tend to roar and bellow at the cute fluffy little bundle of teeth and claws

plyphon - Member
So,

You've just been bitten.

You're still out on the trail - who do you call?

If the dog was out of control and you were attacked by the dog then it is a criminal offence so you can call the police.

Ride where there are lots of dog walker try to call out in advance so they can get dog under control if they chose not to then pass slowly as far over as possible,if the dog gives chase but not barking the I'll put the hammer down and try to get it to follow me as far as possible(3miles is the record so far God know if it ever got home),if it comes at me barking and bearing teeth then it get a damn good kicking until it stops, not had one do the last thing for a good number of years mind you

I cycle with my dogs and the smallest one can be yappy, if she runs at people barking I tell them to kick her....she'll learn.
Neither go near cyclists as they've been run over by me enough times when they've got under my wheels!

There is some hysteria out there though, I was cycling with them the other week and we came up behind a group of people consisting of two Dads and four children... surprisingly they didn't hear my freehub and when we came up right close to them (about 5 yards behind!) they still hadn't heard us.... the little one barked, all six of them jumped and looked round, the adults initially laughed but one of the kids got upset and started screaming.... the attitude of one of the Dads changed instantly and he started ranting and raving about putting a muzzle on the dog, I told him a muzzle won't stop an animal barking...he didn't like that and told me I won't be so clever if the dog bites someone and I'm reported to the police.... quite how we went from the dog barking to muzzling to police action was baffling so I cycled away, no point arguing with idiots.

The media doesn't help with its portrayal of dogs as viscous Kujo-like killers and now just about everybody thinks a barking dog is about to attack... they aren't, it's how they communicate, what are they supposed to do instead? Meow or Moo?... If the dog is growling and baring its teeth then that's a different matter obviously but people need to calm down.

[quote=deviant said] and when we came up right close to them (about 5 yards behind!) they still hadn't heard us....

You could always say hello, excuse me etc etc. I know this means engaging with people rather than letting a Hope freehub do it but sometimes it works 🙂

letting a Hope freehub do it

if the CLAKCLAKCLAK fails a good ol' skid works

In both cases when I got bitten I was in front of the dog and owners, they had seen me coming towards them and did nothing about their dogs 🙁

The first owner tried to make out it was my fault as I was on a bike and had frightened the dog. I did point out that I was on a bridleway and had a right to be there... and if couldn't control the dog or didn't know how it would react them it should be on a lead.

allthepies - I don't like people and prefer not to engage with the general public.

"Oh, he's never done that before..." Classic.

A largeish dog ran up to my 5year old son and was frantically sniffing and circling the daylights out of him. He screamed. I gave it swift boot.

Owner shouted at me 'what you do that for?'. I ran up to the owner and sniffed the daylights out of her.. she screamed.

I told her imagine a meat eating animal the size of a horse sniffer her up and down - thats what its like for my 5year old.

Richard Ballatine, always recomennded for when a dog attacks you wait till its within distance with mouth open and just ram your bike pump down its throat.

The above may make the dog owner angry as his dog is now basicly dead.

I prefer the ioption of lifting foot of pedal for a small dog and then squirting the dog with orange juice.

Then there was the chap last summer i met and rode with who when a dog chased him he got off the bike and chased the owner down the road, barking like a mad dog, the dog just looked bemused , the owner terrified as a 6 foot plus heavily tatooed 18 stone man chased him down the cycle path

I wish i could believe that story, Earl.

I'm with deviant on this...

Mine usually bark all the the way to the trail and then on the trail if I have the audacity to stop for anything.. I think they're on some dogstrava thing.

If I don't have trail dogs my technique is to engage owner or dog but stay on bike if possible and be nice an tall ...I'm a bit of a dog magnet at the best of times...

you also have to remember that dogs can be defensive if they feel you are likely to be a threat to their owner and if you are in a confined space a narrow path they are likely to be more excitable.

TBH I think we're lucky we don't have bears...

You could always say hello, excuse me etc etc. I know this means engaging with people rather than letting a Hope freehub do it but sometimes it works

TBH some peopwle are totally oblivious to anything going on around them and you sometimes wonder how they've survived so long.

Yunki is the only person to post anything sensible in this thread.

Yunki is the only person to post anything sensible in this thread.

He's probably had the email about that, it's not encouraged on here!

Have a trail hound trained to act as wingman - deflect and deal with incoming hostiles 😆

Aaaah shit... Sorry about that everyone.. I feel like I've let you all down..

What I meant to say is that usually I sit in the middle of the trail licking my own balls

Exactly. If you'd booted it the first time, he'd never have done it again!.

The dog failed to learn in four years of daily attempts that a) he couldn't catch me and b) would end up a long way from home in his failed effort.

So I'm not convinced about a dog's capacity to learn...