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I have no idea what bikes are around these days (let alone available).
I'd love a bike light enough for Sunday best road duties so probs carbon, but happy with aluminium or ti), with enough clearance for gravel tyres and/or mudguards and also rack mounts and stiffness for touring. Discs a must.
Is there such a thing?
Cube nuroad c62, several different gearing options, either 1x or 2x.
Takes a cube specific rack on the rear, and a tubus tara on the front, room for 40s and guards, stable when loaded, (possibly slow steering when empty though) i like mine anyway.
Spa Cycles Elan Ti ?
Van Nicholas Yukon
Fairlight Strael? Steel, which falls foul of your criteris, but just bloody look at it.
Cheers guys. When I say "light" I'd hope for <1.6kg on the frame (a Superx is 1.1kg apparently), lighter if possible but not to compromise other aspects much.
Laverack Jack/Grit.
Reilly Gradient
Enigma whatever it is (Etape)
The Spa Elan is a great value option, though maybe not Sunday best road bike
Pretty much any Ti gravel or adventure bike can be used as a bling road bike, and road bikes are taking bigger tyres so may have clearance for "gravel-lite" tyres.
Might need to think about gearing (1x vs 2x) and whether a second set of wheels would be useful.
A fast gravel bike like Diverge would do this
Orro Terra C another one to consider
Genesis Datum was one of the first of that style - maybe a bit sporty for touring with it's short chainstays? no seat stay eyelets, but you could fit a seat clamp with eyelets.
Taking a sabatical from the line this year, but you might find one. Biketrax had a frameset last time I was there.
Love mine.
I think a Planet-X Free Ranger frame would come close.
Mason Bokeh? Or one of the others depending on your gravel/road hierarchy...
Surely Ribble CGR must be high on this list?
Cervelo Aspero?
That Cube looks lovely.
I think a Planet-X Free Ranger frame would come close.
Wow they have the most spectacularly bad paint jobs I think I've ever seen.
Whit's yir budget Al?
Diverge would do this
+1
Wow they have the most spectacularly bad paint jobs I think I’ve ever seen
Aye they do ,but you don't notice it so much when you are riding it 😉😊
+1 on the Orro Terra C. I've been plodding around the West Country on mine for the past 5 days. Bit of road, bit of gravel. It's also my commuting bike. Fast when I need it to be, comfortable ride, and not many of them about.
Diverge would do this
+1
+1 takes 700 (up to 47) and 650b (up tp 2.1) wheels and has all the necessary fixing points for carrying stuff etc.
I have a carbon Diverge with carbon wheels - it is certainly light and stiff enough to handle this - I’ve descended at over 70kph and handling was solid.
Perfect description of a Shand Stoater.
Steel; very nice steel.... Made in Scotland. But not from girders.
As it's always a custom build (or even a custom fit, if you like), then you get exactly what you want.
would recommend spending bit less on the frame to make room in your budget for second set of wheels. If you want to do fast club runs one week and gravel blasts the next you will want different tyres. And if you have plenty of cash you can get a bling set of light race wheels for your road sessions. I have a Reilly Gradient at the mo which would be ideal but for the fact that I have not splashed the cash on the second wheel set so at the moment it sits in that unhappy in between place. I still love it, but it could be much better if I wasn't trying to use it as a 'Do-it-all' bike with tough wheels and 32mm tyres
Surely Ribble CGR must be high on this list?
https://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/show-me-your-ribble-cgr-bikes/
Aluminium version is 1600g and carbon SL is 1150g. Also available on steel and ti.
Carbon SL Shimano 105 disc is £1999 and available in October 2021 as long as you don't want short cranks. Alliminium 105 disc is £1399.
@cynic-Al I've just ordered one for all the same reasons as you.
The carbon frame is limited to 20kg weight (I think)
Its a monocoque frame with lots of aero shaped bits. It's a slightly more relaxed endurance sl road bike but with wider tyre clearance and rack mounts.
https://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/blog/endurance-sl-vs-cgr-sl-tarmac-or-off-road/
However, it my budget had been bigger I would have taken @captainflashheart advice and bought a diverge.
This is exactly the range of uses that I bought my Gradient for. On 43mm Gravel King SKs it's fine on gravel, and actually isn't much slower than my Defy on the road. It has all the mudguard and rack mounts for touring. Weighs about 9kg with those SKs on wide gravel rims, would be less with more road focused wheels and tyres.
– I’ve descended at over 70kph and handling was solid.
I only managed to get to 67.59kph* on my aluminium Diverge carrying 12kg in the panniers and a bar bag. Handling was still rock solid 🙂
*42MPH
(ETA - 700/30C tyres (G-One) seem to cope with everything short of actual mountain biking.)
I’ve descended at over 70kph and handling was solid.
I only managed to get to 67.59kph* on my aluminium Diverge
On slicks my aluminium diverge is fast as **** on road descents.
Thanks all. @fasthaggis as little as possible - ideally a sh frameset. I've recently bought a Vitus carbon road frame and a cracked Spin Spitfire off of eBay, it's getting silly!
@damascus are those real weights or claimed? I've seen the latter be optimistic by 20%
I've done 60mph with 4 panniers - on a Rockhopper I think.
@cynic-al no idea.
They didn't have any frames on their own and the only cgr carbon SL on display was a a fancy version gcn had used with top of the range bits on that made it very light!
They have a live chat option and they answer pretty quickly.
£600 for a alliminium frame and carbon fork.
https://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/ribble-cgr-al-orange-frameset/
Raw Frame Weight: 1680g (med) - Forks 470g +/- 5g.
If your on a budget then the alpkit camino is worth considering at half the price £299
https://alpkit.com/products/sonder-camino-al-v3-frame-and-fork
Claimed weights are heavier but they are wrong as the bike no longer has an aluminium steerer, it's a full carbon fork so slightly lighter.
Weight: S: 1.9kg; M: 2.0kg; L: 2.0kg; XL: 2.1kg
Not all fancy pants but my planet x London road can do all that
Not all fancy pants but my planet x London road can do all that
aL did say he wanted light :-),the London road is a bit chunky and I always thought felt a bit dead .Used one as my main commuter/winter bike for a long time and moving to a carbon XLS was night and day*.
*Shame the rear clearance is a bit pants 🙁
Exact description of my Rose Cross DX:
+1 for the second set of wheels, and I would avoid 1x if you can as the cadence jumps suck much more on road, especially in a group.
I’ve been running my Salsa Warbird as a ‘one bike’ solution with a second pair of wheels for road (1500g eastons, nothing fancy) with 28c tyres and a smaller cassette (11-28) and I don’t seem to be any slower than on my old road bike (6.2 kg weenie Cervelo R3) despite it being ~1.5kg heavier - and the comfort for long rides is a lot better!
You are limited to Bike packing rather than classic touring luggage though, but it rides better that way anyway!
@cynic-al I think the Canyon Grizl would be worth a look. Really fun off road. Carbon, light, fast, mounts galore. I’d buy it some posh wheels for road duties and take the weight down even more.
https://singletrackmag.com/gritcx/2021/05/11/new-canyon-grizl-reviewed-beyond-the-grail/
The Sonder camino V3 still has an alloy steerer I think - mine does at least! Superb bike, but not really a swift road bike, even with lighter wheels - but I love the way it rides and its versatility. The Sonder Colibri AL frameset at £399 is more their 'roadpacking' frame that copes with lighter off road and 36mm tyres or 32mm with mudguards, and 3 x bottle cage mounts. Full carbon fork and a bit lighter than the Camino. It looks awesome value for a more road focused bike tbh...
Love my Reilly Gradient, when i bought it i had a Specialized Roubaix as well, but preferred the Gradient for the road, and really liked the flared bars for road and touring too (Ritchey Venturemax) as i found that i could spend a lot more time in the drops than on normal deeper-drop bars.
Was fantastic on Torino-Nice rally and many other bikepacking events.
One thing i would add, is ask yourself what kind of touring, will it be rack and panniers or soft bags, if soft bags, then remember any painted bike whatever you do to protect is always going to lose paint, it is why i went for Gradient over the Mason Bokeh i had been coveting
If it gets back into stock (supposedly September), the Boardman ADV 9.0 might fit the bill nicely.
The Sonder camino V3 still has an alloy steerer I think – mine does at least!
This is the email response I got from sonder alpkit when I asked about the fork and frame. maybe you just got the last of a batch???
I almost bought the camino, I think it's a great bike but it was just a bit too much on the heavy side.
<On Fri, 25 Jun 2021 at 10:18, Alpkit
support@alpkit.com> wrote:
Hi,
Yep, full carbon fork.
In terms of mounts it's got 3 mount points on each fork leg, mudguard mounts, bottle cage mounts on top and bottom of the down tube as well as seat tube.
In terms of demo bikes unfortunately we haven't got stock of any and it doesn't look like changing soon I'm afraid. The pandemic pulled the rug from under us on that one!
All the best
Sam Trafford
Aaah, I think it might be the difference between the Al and the Ti - I was thinking the Al, but the ti does have full carbon and cage mounts...
Salsa warbird?