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On mtb? Loving the simplicity, not loving the arm pump*
Anyone abandoned suspension?
*I need to HTFU & develop Popeye style arms
I used to.
It suited a ss well, but on a geared bike I found that a suspension fork was preferred and faster.
I've got a couple of riding mates that do. I suspect its because they too like the simplicity - and they are mechanically challenged 🙂
Having said that though, they are no slower than me on my FS over pretty much any type of terrain. What they lack in suspension they make up for in lightness. (normally they are faster)
I have a HT. It has done 600 miles this year. My rigid has done > 1600 miles this year. I still reach for the rigid first when I go to the shed.
Did three months earlier this year on a SS steel frame with on-one carbon fork. 2.3" Conti Baron helped take the sting out but you have to try and ride 'loose' as much as possible and not be overly concerned if the front wanders around a bit on the rough stuff.
Did 6 weeks on a fat bike over the summer - had more issues with wrists than on the non-fat - I think because there was more bike wrangling involved with the heavier front end (and it was dry so speeds were faster).
On the whole I really didn;t miss suspension over the winter. For the lats 6 weeks in bone dry weather I've been riding a 140mm FS bike and, tbh, it's faster and easier to ride but lacks the intellectual rewards that fully rigid done well has 🙂
I've not touched my HT with 120mm forks since I got the Stooge.
I can see myself just leaving it for bigger days out at the moment.
Definitely won't be coming out over winter.
Neither of my MTB's are rigid, although I am tempted to ditch the Reba fork on the Inbred and replace it with one of those Carbon Cycles Exotic rigid forks. One less thing to worry about maintenace-wise and it never gets ridden anywhere that really warrants suspension.
S****..
I did until 2001.
My next frame purchase will be a 29er HT and rigid fork, for my TDR bike.
yerp.. That's me that is 😀
I'm utterly mechanically inept and a skinflint to boot..
Mk II Soul with Exotic carbon fork for the last 3 years or so, it's fast and hilarious on the pebble bed heath of Woodbury Common, and Dartmoor is completely rideable although I've had to improve my track standing skills to cope with the really nadgery stuff up there..
I reckon I would probably ride faster with a suspension fork, and at some point in the next five years I will probably get my old revs serviced as I worry for the Soul's headtube , but not yet though...
Yes me, Niners rigid, CX'ers rigid and so too the roadie..
Yes.
SS MTB is rigid. Kilauea with RC31s. It's not ideal on some stuff but I know (usually) my limitations and those of the bike too
HT MTB is geared (but gets out far far less miles than SS)..
Road bike - rigid
29er SS - rigid
Drop bar 29er - rigid
Fat bike - rigid
Hack bike - rigid
Alpine bike (also for toddler carrying duties) - full suss
So not quite.
genuine question; apart from maintenance and simplicity, are there further reasons for running rigid forks when single-speeding?
Yes, I've been riding a rigid 29er since February, only taken the full sus out twice for big hike-a-bike stuff.
The arm pump can get quite bad but I'm running quite a wide flexy set of carbon bars, 2.3" tyres at 20psi (tubeless) and quite a twangy salsa firestarter fork. So the bike doesn't actually feel harsh to ride, only really an issue on fast bumpy stuff.
are there further reasons for running rigid forks when single-speeding?
not really. At least no more than "just because". just that the directness of a v light, ss build is kind of amplified with the feel of rigid forks. Even moreso if you they are torsionally stiff too - i.e. with a nice fat hub, or in my case with trusses.
Wrong uns the lot of ya 😉
Been cycling around on front suspension for a month now on a clockwork 29er. First experience of them after ten years on a rigid orange c16r. Think I will definately go back to rigid in the next few weeks mainly for the weight save, 1 to 1.5kg!
Yes, been rigid all year and much prefer it on the whole. The only time I've wanted some suspension is when doing multiple fast laps chasing mates on full sussers around degla or coedy which can get a little draining towards the end, and I do wonder if the achey fingers for a few days after are leading to any permanent damage!
97% of the time I love it and even think I am faster most of the time.
Occasionaly, I did flirt with 29er suspension forks recently, now back to rigid. It's harder work, but for average Surrey Hills, Swinley, Berkshire riding suspension doesn't add much more than comfort.
I own a full suspension bike and ride it occasionally but the majority of my riding is rigid - either CX commuter or rigid 29er (running geared at the moment as I'm having problems with my knees).
Yes, sold my 32 TALAS, and made the commitment to full rigid. Suits my local lone riding, and ditched the gears too. I love the faff free simplicity, just a bit of lube and check tyres are pumped. I did up grade to a 2.4" Rubber Queen Protection Black Chilli on the front which, i think, is an awesome tyre.
... i'd probably cry halfway round the Borrowdale Bash though 😯
.... although having said that, i did ride the Bash on a Cannondale aluminium fork back in the day 🙄
... without crying 😛
If you ride a ss as I do - desperate for momentum and honking up climbs in a gear that I can't really push, a fork that doesn't bob is important. 😳are there further reasons for running rigid forks when single-speeding?
If you're a better rider I suspect it matters a lot less
are there further reasons for running rigid forks when single-speeding?
not really. At least no more than "just because". just that the directness of a v light, ss build is kind of amplified with the feel of rigid forks. Even moreso if you they are torsionally stiff too - i.e. with a nice fat hub, or in my case with trusses.
I'd say that the some of the usual ss riding style (like when you're having to muscle the bike up a hill or over something techy) are more conducive to a rigid fork. It's not an all or nothing thing, but combined with the "simplicity" thing they do seem to go together well. What he ^^ said about bobbing is important!
I was exclusively rigid for a long time, pretty much from when I started riding in 1986 through to succumbing to a proper full-suss about 5 years ago. There were short dallies with suspension in there, but nothing that lasted more than a couple of rides really. A big chunk of that was exclusively single speed too.
I'm now more evenly spread. Rigid singlespeeds, sus-fork singlespeed, full sus etc etc. Oddly the only bike I haven't really been able to find a home for (and I've tried on at least 3 occasions) is a geared hardtail. It's probably the flavours I've tried but they just haven't clicked. Full sus and gears yes, rigid or sus and singlespeed yes, so far nothing else.
I think a racier fast hardtail, maybe a 29er, might find a home. But I don't ride the bikes I've got enough as it is
Knard in the front helps A LOT!
Well rigid with fear perhaps.
I received my new exotic carbon fork yesterday.
It's going on my old hoodoo frame which I am building up 1x10
with 34 front 11-34 rear out of the part worn parts bin.
This bike is going to be exclusively a mud bike, shod in 2" beavers as the trails here turn to shite for at least 4 months of the year. Thing is the forks are so damn Purdy and I am fighting the urge to cosset them due to this fact.
Not here, do dabble with it but as yesterday's monster CX ride made clear, rigid is fun til you get tired and the more rocky/rutted the route the quicker you get tired.....and then you're in a world of pain.
Looking to go rigid ss for the majority of winter, as I did a few years back, I'll see how it goes.
this is also true, but sus fork lockouts have been pretty common for several years now 🙂If you ride a ss as I do - desperate for momentum and honking up climbs in a gear that I can't really push, a fork that doesn't bob is important
Going to have to try rigid this winter, but last night's change of route proves I would find it hard to ride rigid exclusively.
Had almost convinced myself rigid was the way forward due to mainly riding long low tech or short steep and slow over the past 6 months.
Then last night we rode some very fast rocky stuff that we used to ride all of the time and was grateful for the forks, even though I was running them much harder than ever before.
Yep, set up an IBIS Tranny as a rigid bike. Like it a lot, snappy, quick, funn and fast. But, nursing tennis elbow symptoms from tree roots and rocks... there is only so much that my arms can soak up...
Do like it though..
Yep all 5 mountain bikes are ss and rigid and happily smash (well, very slowly meander) up down and over anything in wales, the peak, local woodsy fluff, Harden the **** up, you'll not get into B.P.R with nancy arms
Since building up my Karate Monkey (rigid natch) in January I have ridden that 95% of the time.
The trails round my way suit it and I do like the simplicity.
It's also been to the Dales, Long Mynd, Thetford and the Hills North of Cardiff. There were a couple "oh f***!" moments on Long Mynd where I was going too fast just before thing but aside from that its been ace.
Sounds very unpurist but having a dropper post or at least a post you can lower significantly helps massively. The KM has a bend in the Seat tube which means a dropper is a better option.
I'm exclusively rigid also.
Most of my riding is local bumbling so don't need suspension. As mentioned above, a sus fork when you're out of the saddle grunting is a bit of pain (never liked the feeling of suspension squatting anyway).
Yep, all bikes rigid and SS except the fixed ones. I don't have "pump" problems but do get sore hands, except on the Pugsley, but I mainly ride Ashton Court, hard stone man made trails.........
I did for 6 years (and ss) but then I bought a DH bike!
Out of interest how many of you, that have gone full [s]retard[/s] rigid, have beards?
@tomhoward - I have quite bushy eyebrows if that counts?
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I havent shaved for two weeks if that counts.
Aye.Hirsuite man face here.
I couldn't afford any decent replacement suspension forks so bought some Exotic carbons on my 26" hardtail and I love it. I need to get some wider tyres as I have 1.95's on at the moment and it is quite harsh going down rocky descents.
I grew up riding steel rigid mtbs so it is not so alien (plus I ride cx). A loose riding style and a little faith is required going downhill.
edit: no beard
I've been MTBing since 1991.
About [url= http://mikeactually.blogspot.co.uk/2009/04/hamsterley-with-bro.html ]five years ago, I rode my brother's FS Kona Stinky down the skills loop at Hamsterley[/url] (once). I had some [url= http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/project-gnarr-old-dog-new-tricks-content ]old Bombers on my Inbred[/url] for about three rides three years ago, then it got nicked. I borrowed my brother-in-law's FS for one easy ride last year.
Every other bike ride I've ever done has been on rigid forks. You don't miss what you've never had.
Edit: Yes, I'm bearded. But, the rigid forks came first.
I have 2 days worth of stubble
Out of interest how many of you, that have gone full retard rigid, have beards?
I'm 3 months in on this one, had another erlier in the year as well, so yes 🙂
yes fully rigid - but geared, thinking about a 29+ tyre though..
i stand up on climbs a lot, and rigid is perfect for that..
you'll not get into B.P.R with nancy arms
I'm like a tyrannosaurous, all legs but with withered arms
All fully rigid except the full susser which has only be ridden half a dozen times and now trying to find a buyer for it, it's not required. No beard here, despite riding SS mtb, SSCX and fixed on the road.
I ride rigid most of the time. A Stooge with a Knard up front is about as capable as anything on 90% of the trails round my way. I do like a bit of variety, though, so I'll be out on the Buzzard tonight. 🙂
Occasional matey has a fully rigid of some description not sure what it is something niche
Apart from the numb arms, pink-and-white blotchy hands and double vision on every descent he thinks it's great
Went the other way 29er Rigid to 26er HT (both SS). My thumbs are now happy not to be rubbed raw after long rides.
Obviously my beard does not confer sufficient hard-core for the rest of my body 😉
Apart from the numb arms, pink-and-white blotchy hands and double vision on every descent he thinks it's great
This was pretty much my experience of riding a mates rigid a while back. I can see the appeal for muddy winter stuff when the ground if soft but in normal conditions (and on the sort of trails I ride), it is not for me.
I've a Saracens kili team on the straight rigids I use it now and again and prefer the fact it feels more alive.
The reason I don't ride it all the time is Down to my hip and my paranoia over wearing it out.
Plus it's always ready to ride no suspension to knob around with
I've a Saracens kili team on the straight rigids I use it now and again and prefer the fact it feels more alive.
The reason I don't ride it all the time is Down to my hip and my paranoia over wearing it out.
Plus it's always ready to ride no suspension to knob around with
Love riding rigid. Still have the option of a springy fork and tend to use that for trail centres and for faster summer trails. When that fork has had it then I will probably be rigid only for a while as the cost and maintenance needs of suspension are a bit of a pain with a young family to think about.
Facial hair,,, none
Yep, rigid Inbred 29er, built it up on a budget to see if i'd get on with the 29er side of things and, yes I love it! Much more responsive and having to find a smoother line makes me enjoy the ride more. Also going ss for winter. Great for local loops, North Downs, Pilgrims Way, etc. (Always sporting a beard!) [url= https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5562/15035923879_278efc0a45_c.jp g" target="_blank">https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5562/15035923879_278efc0a45_c.jp g"/> [/img][/url][url= https://flic.kr/p/oUF3jT ]Pilgrims Way[/url] by [url= https://www.flickr.com/people/77014978@N03/ ]Matt The Hat 71[/url], on Flickr
First built my scandal as a rigid as it was cheap build with a steel fork. Loved it but did find it hard going on bad wrists so picked up a Reba. I also have an exotic carbon fork for if the reba needs work or if I fancy some faff-free winter riding. It is different, definitely more lively and makes trails more involving and it's nice having no height change in the front end if you are a bit nose heavy off a drop.
My Niner.
Runs rigid most of the time. Have an old Reba I can put on, but prefer it rigid.
Should be running a Knard on a Dually up front by the weekend, for a bit of give up front.
Have built FS bikes up twice since having the Niner, but both times I've split & sold them, as it's such a nice ride.
Dead keen on getting a Stooge, set up with a Knard up front & 1x10 for something different.
Wouldn't sell the Niner though.
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Yup only 2 bikes both rigid but no beard as i have to shave for work 🙁
Trimix - MemberI've got a couple of riding mates that do. I suspect its because they too like the simplicity - and they are mechanically challenged.
One of our riding buddies switched to rigid only six months ago for similar reasons, he seems faster too; although that has more to do with his old bike not suiting his riding style I think.
My [i]N+1[/i] bike is a rigid 29+ and I love it to bits. I could feasibly use it as my only bike but it would limit my weekends bike trips away to Wales, Lakes etc.
Does a fatbike count as fully rigid? If so, count me in, its my 95% bike now.
no beard, although I am fat. 😕
I like the idea of carbon bars to dampen the front end but my hamfisted riding style makes me wary of their durability.
Is 13.5st & 6ft2 too heavy for carbon with rigid fork?
Nah I don't think so.
I'm not your weight nor height but when I used to ride my Niner hard I had no problems at all with durability etc. But I have to qualify that by stating all the spangly bits on the bike are Niners RDO.
There are some right old lumps near me and I climb hard often honking up pulling the bars (side to side) ok they flex a little, but they're supposed to right?
Downhill and I always wuss out so can't comment on that.
But at Charlies SS event last year there were some right old chunky blokes having a whale of a time on rigid SS'ers and hacking past me on the downhills without a care in the world.
Can't see the problem myself, buy some good quality spangly bits and you'll be fine IMO.
a carbon bar should be no less durable than an alloy bar should it?
Is 13.5st & 6ft2 too heavy for carbon with rigid fork?
Bars on my Niner up there are non O/S carbon, & hammered all over the place fully rigid. Non O/S & low-rise specifically to induce a bit of flex for riding with a rigid front. Big grips help too, NorthFace North Shore in my case, (slip-on type as they are a bit comfier).

