[Closed] Ding dong - Stainless 931 Cotic!

timc - Member

@nothwind, does a aluminium soul not interest you

Possibly, wouldn't mind building one up for XC racing I guess. But I'd be surprised/impressed if an alu soul didn't lose the ride quality of the steel one. For all the "steel is real" crowd are ridiculous, the Soul's one of the bikes that can walk that talk.

Some interesting points here guys. Regarding the forks thing, it's just a preference. Not right or wrong, just I like 120mm forks on my Soul and it does everything fine without having to worry about whether I've remembered to move the forks or have the 'wrong' setting. I can just get on with it.

Interesting talk about carbon and aluminium. I can't imagine we'd do an aluminium hardtail as it'd really only appeal to the privateer race market as far as I can tell and that's a) not very big, and b) not really our audience (in my opinion). I can't see why you wouldn't just 'put up' with the extra pound in weight with a steel Soul for your occasional race and have a completely ace all rounder bike all the rest of the time. The Soul's still lighter than all but the most eye-bleedingly expensive FS frames.

Carbon-wise, more than anything I'm surprised some of you think we do it credibly, given what a steel sniffer I am. I do like carbon in a lot of ways, I just think the way the bike industry have largely used it up to now is dumb, by pushing light weight at the expense of durability for something that isn't recyclable. The great thing about carbon if you don't worry too much about the weight as an end in itself is that you can make something of breath-taking durability which I like having in my products. It just takes a different approach to the design, and my carbon knowledge is rather out of date.

That's pretty much Santa Cruz's take on it with Blur LT/Nomad etc. They still won't do a carbon Chameleon, though 😉

great thing about carbon if you don't worry too much about the weight as an end in itself is that you can make something of breath-taking durability

Which is why I think an aluminium 456 would be good (like the mmmbop), there's no give in the steel one so why not make a light one.

so why not make a light one

My old (aluminium) Norco hardtail is probably strong enough to survive a nuclear strike but is not what you would class as light by any stretch of the imagination.

@nothwind, does a aluminium soul not interest you

It would be of some interest to me, but then it'd need to be available in > 20" too.

I really did like my Soul but at 19" it was a little too small and I prefer my hardtails to be less springy/flexy (delete according to ideological preference).

honourablegeorge - Member
I really like that.

But for that money, you might as well have Ti, I'd have thought

Ti frames are prone to cracking and soooo [i]common[/i] darling 😉

cy - Member

Carbon-wise, more than anything I'm surprised some of you think we do it credibly, given what a steel sniffer I am.

1/3d of my Cotics haven't been steel and it's the 1/3d I've kept 😉 Honestly I think you could make a good bike out of dog toffee if you wanted to.

Don't, though.

I'd like a Soul made out of chocolate.

You can fill the tubes with a nice caramel if you like, as long as it doesn't affect the weight too much.

You could change the consistancy of the filling to alter the ride characteristics - it's the future I tell ya 😀

Cy, please feel free to send me a prototype for, er, testing - email in profile, ta.

Can i just point out I asked about aluminium for the discussion, not something I'm personally interested in.

I would be interested in a big man size frame though, 20.5 inch... seems a few others also are, sort it out Cy 😉

Seems I should wheel out the XL Soul drawing and update the tubeset then. I'll do 10 like last time. If I end up having sell off 7 of them at half price 2 years later like last time I'm coming to find every single one of you tall buggers!

There was some alu 456 plans knocking about a few years back.

[b]cy[/b]
Seems I should wheel out the XL Soul drawing and update the tubeset then. I'll do 10 like last time.

If I can afford it, I'd have one. The first bit isn't super likely though.

Cy

Drop me a line when you have a batch of XL souls please - Orange as well please!! 😀

I can't afford to keep my current one in seatposts!!

Ill happily put a deposit down if you make it happen Cy, not bothered about colour as long as it one of the better ones, orange, black, blue, demo green 😀

Hurry up before i buy a house though

@ Cy - I too would be interested in seeing the drawing on an XL Soul 😀

Even with a layback post on mine I find I have to use a 90mm stem 😕 I thought I was about the same height as you actually 😕

As mine is currently:

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There was some alu 456 plans knocking about a few years back.

Yes, I remember expressing interest in that, too. And in the Alu Inbred a few years before that. Brant had an amazing ability to forget about/lose interest in/decide there was no market for Alu versions of On One's steel frames. I did end up getting a Scandal after my Pace RC303 cracked, but it never quite worked for me. :-/

It's odd that UK microbrands largely seem focused on steel frames and there seems to be little market demand for them to do Alu ones while Alu frames like the Chameleon and the Stiffee from other countries remain popular.

Last time we did an XL Soul, it had a 530mm seat tube (so that's about 20.8") and a 624mm top tube (Large is 610) because we couldn't get down tubes any longer. Head tube was 135mm (Large is 120). With 29er tubing around now the top tube could push out a touch more, but 13-14mm top tube length increases are around where I pitch size jumps. I could run these into a batch for delivery in October.

What do we think?

I must admit the 931 looks mighty pru'tty. The wheels are absolutely ****ing gopping though.

ChrisL - not sure if KinesisUk qualify as a micro-brand - they're all designed here by a bloke in a shed(ish) and manufactured in Taiwan - but they have focused largely on Alu frames for some time.

Im disapointed. I opened this topic expecting a furry cartoon character-style Cotic :

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cy - Member

Last time we did an XL Soul, it had a 530mm seat tube (so that's about 20.8") and a 624mm top tube (Large is 610) because we couldn't get down tubes any longer. Head tube was 135mm (Large is 120). With 29er tubing around now the top tube could push out a touch more, but 13-14mm top tube length increases are around where I pitch size jumps. I could run these into a batch for delivery in October.

What do we think?

That sounds right to me, no need for TT to be longer that 624mm.

My Birthdays in October as well 😉

What about a Iggle Piggle-themed Cotic?
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Let us know how much deposit and when

Cheers!!

Cy, Please do a run of 10 in a wee tiny size as well! I have a wee female riding buddy from Sheffield who is pining for one, but the small is too big for her.

What about a Iggle Piggle-themed Cotic?

hora - Member

What about a Iggle Piggle-themed Cotic?

There's a carbon fibre Ogg-Pog in the works, I hear.

Nobeerinthefridge - Keep an eye on the website. We have plans in that direction.

XL Solaris for the Ha-Hoos's ?

Nobeer - how tall is your ahem, friend? I ask as I have not yet got Mrs O to sit on a small Soul and would be interested how they size up.

ononeorange - at the risk of offending her, I'd say about 5'. She's tried one and it's too big.

Can't believe I'm one of only 3 people to pay the proper price for a XL soul!
Its sat in my mates garage unridden for the last year!
Only sold it to go down the 29er route.
Thinking of get a XL Solaris to join my Swift, Scandal and my waiting to be delivered Salsa Horsethief

Thnaks Nobeer.

to be fair i think cotic is a stronger brand now, shouldn't have a problem shifting x10 XL's worldwide over a space of time

I even got my XL Soul through Paul when he worked at leisure lakes!