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About time a performance enhancer for the average "racer" came along
[url= http://digitalepo.com ]Digital EPO[/url]
thats the strava leader boards rendered absolutely pointless then.
haha thats brilliant.
can it cut corners too?
There's an ex pro round here who has been known to drive round with his GPS on then upload it to Strava.
It's a bit of fun, don't take it to seriously.
(I did get a KOM today though) đŸ˜‰
I think it's a good thing - it should be about competing with yourself more than trying to attain a KOM for the sake of it.
I've got into Strava recently, mainly as a tool so I can see that what I think is fast, really isn't...
Maybe everyone faster than me is editing the files first đŸ™‚
Maybe if people cheat digitally they'll feel less need to wreck trails and ride over babies' faces.
[i]Maybe everyone faster than me is editing the files first [/i]
I've been editing mine to show I'm slower so as not to embarass other riders. Honest.
It's been around for a bit that there site. I really don't understand why you would use it though??? Saying that I don't really use Strava as I found that different devices give some right spurious result so it's a bit pointless.
look at online computer game leaderboards - they're full of ridiculously unachievable scores put there by hackers.
I've been suspect of some KOMs round near me for months - this can not be a new thing.
like wwswasaswasas says, it's better as a tool for competing against yourself than a roadie programmer.
it's always been possible to fiddle with the times on a ride file before upload. This tool just makes it accesable to all.
Saying that I don't really use Strava as I found that different devices give some right spurious result so it's a bit pointless.
It's a sport based arround riding for hours to get back to where you started. I don't thing Strava makes it any more pointless!
Suppose it'll save me fuel for the moped...
It's a sport based arround riding for hours to get back to where you started. I don't thing Strava makes it any more pointless!
Hole. In. One đŸ™‚
I have 1 KOM, there are only 2 of us on the board though, and I set the segment up,
It's a 10 mile stretch of my normal commute, I was all pleased that I'd beaten a Stranger with my awsome sporting prowess on my fixie, then I looked properly realized that he was on the return leg of a 100mile loop while I was on a sub 20mile jaunt... Sort of pissed on my own chips there didn't I...
I should start cheating...
It's a sport based arround riding for hours to get back to where you started. I don't thing Strava makes it any more pointless!
It's not pointless. It's point to point! It just so happens in most cases that both points are in the same place đŸ˜›
Chasing KOMs on Straaaaaaaaaavvvvvvaaaa is a bit pointless though đŸ˜€ don't get me wrong I think Strava is a great idea, it's just a shame idiots spoil it.
group of us are going out on thu night, the one guy who regularly mentions how quick he is on runkeeper wont be coming.
i sense a plan hatching . . . . . .
Kitz_Chris - Member
About time a performance enhancer for the average "racer" came along...
That's the sales of electric bikes buggered then... đŸ™‚
This has always been a problem with strava, Anyone with any knowledge of strava can write themselves a KOM, The rest can just use a car.
If it pisses you off. Stop and think about what your doing.
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where did you get the sticker
Its a surly one, Charlie the bike monger will probally have some, or on the ebay
Don't really get what people get out of fixing their own times, seems a pointless exercise.
No big deal, the obvious ones will get flagged and those that don't will give me something to aim at.
It's satisfying to bag a hard earned KoM, and great fun trying đŸ™‚
It's a site created by people who spend more time at a pc than riding. Hence they are not as fast as they thought they were so then created the programme to rubbish it.
And people that use digiepo are the same.
And people who moan about strava are the same, especially those on forums.
It's just a bit of fun you know, I really believe people imagine that users are more serious about strava than they really are. It's just fun.
That's lame.
I love Strava. I don't claim to be the fittest / most radical rider ever but I love the challenge of racing against other local people. On hotly-contested segments on the road, I'm nowhere near the fast boys, but off road I see a lot of KOMs as potentially attainable targets.
Obviously it [i]is[/i] just fun, but that doesn't make it OK if someone spoils it.
I think you may have misunderstood what I typed.
I mean strava is fun not the digitalepo that's just sad losers
Like that one you had off me the other day. đŸ˜‰ I haven't forgotten about that- I'll have another go at it soon.Haze - Member
It's satisfying to bag a hard earned KoM, and great fun trying
As a tool for motivating, pushing and encouraging people to go faster, longer and better it's great. Like anything there will always be cheats.
Ride for fun, see what you got. Use it for training see where you get too.
One scary insight was a local pro admitting to looking through peoples segment times if they were "[i]faster than he thought they should be[/i]" for gps irregularities and flagging them.
It's a bit of fun, there are no medals, the only person you are cheating is yourself.
Like that one you had off me the other day. I haven't forgotten about that- I'll have another go at it soon.
Do your best, I may try a little harder next time đŸ˜‰
I really don't understand why you would use it though???
Just to make this absolutely clear, it's a joke. It does work, but so does using a car or editing the files by hand.
I have a number of the local running ones and people tend to use their own names (I use mine)
I can simply scan the results of the local races to tell when people are cheating. I suspect people running back to back sub 5 min miles on Strava shouldnt be running 30 mins for 5 in a race.
Propper EPO! 8)
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Had my last dose Saturday!
I must say someone uploaded a reasonably dubious looking ride to me the other day, but a) if he wants to cheat then fine, it's only a bit of fun and b) it'll spur me on to go and beat him!
He seems to have got very quick in a short space of time though, and has a habit of reclaiming a KOM by a fair margin the day after you take one off him! I'm sure it is genuine, but I did find myself wondering!
[i]It's a site created by people who spend more time at a pc than riding. Hence they are not as fast as they thought they were so then created the programme to rubbish it.[/i]
I use strave, I rode 240 miles last week, which is an average week.
If I were the person who'd written the digital EPO site, when it rescales the data I'd add a specific rescaling signature to the data periodicity, as it's not particularly difficult.
Then after say a year or so I'd produce a strava app that checks for this signature in leader boards.
Just saying like đŸ˜€
It's pretty ****y to mess up Strava, given 99% of people using Strava are just having fun.
It's like being the loser bully kid who stomps on other kids' sandcastles on the beach, because the other kids are actually interacting and having fun together. You know, they [i]know[/i] sandcastles are all a bit meaningless and temporary, and if they really want to build something they should become a civil engineer, but it's a bit of fun together and oh-for-****s-sake-that-kid-has-jumped-on-it-again-what-a-tosser
He seems to have got very quick in a short space of time though, and has a habit of reclaiming a KOM by a fair margin the day after you take one off him! I'm sure it is genuine, but I did find myself wondering!
Someone my missus used to work with suddely got very quick at our local trails. Dont think he's cheating as they are group rides so you'd expect him to be caught out if he was cheating. Maybe he uses real EPO đŸ˜†
If I were the person who'd written the digital EPO site, when it rescales the data I'd add a specific rescaling signature to the data periodicity, as it's not particularly difficult.
Then after say a year or so I'd produce a strava app that checks for this signature in leader boards.
That would be class. Give it to Strava and they can flag up the cheats. Although it would be easy to overcome by adding your own "fudge factor" into the files by changing a few of the values yourself.
Unless the files are signed with a specific algorithm from Garmin or whoever that Strava can validate against then it will be very difficult for this stuff to ever be easily proved. And I'm not sure Garmin/Sunnto/etc could be bothered with the faff.
[i]It's pretty ****y to mess up Strava, given 99% of people using Strava are just having fun.[/i]
Well if people are just doing it for fun what difference does depo make?
Well if people are just doing it for fun what difference does depo make?
Messing up other people's fun is ****y. The gentle but fair competition is part of the fun.
Pebblebeach-you misunderstood my post. Not dissing strava, I'm a user aswell. I was on about the depo creators. I ride 10-15 hours a week always with strava on.
I ride my bike for fun, have strava running on my phone. If I am quicker than last week that’s great, if I get a KOM bonus.
depo user & straight line stravaknobs are irrelevant to me.
P.S straight line stravaknobs please use depo and stop trashing out trails please.
Maybe he uses real EPO
Time to introduce random drug testing for Strava KOMs?
I heard Lance had a few.
P.S straight line stravaknobs please use depo and stop trashing out trails please.
PPS People who can't corner please learn, you have been trashing corners since corners were invented.
ormondroyd - MemberMessing up other people's fun is ****y. The gentle but fair competition is part of the fun.
since when was strava ever 'fair'?
one of friends bought a garmin gps widget to use instead of his phone, and found that he was instantly 10% slower.
He tested it and found that his phone was 'faster' (by the missing 10%) than his dedicated gps device.
guess which device he uses now?
[i]PPS People who can't corner please learn, you have been trashing corners since corners were invented. [/i]
+1
There was ox bow singletrack a long time before Strava came along.
I saw this on face book the other day and had a 'what's the point' moment It was actually quite nice to swap back to runkeeper so that I could just ride. I know this is completely in my own mind, but I can enjoy being out more, without the 'dam, wrong gear, that'll cost me 2 sec's' type feelings, and from last nights ride, I honestly think I ride better and faster because of it.
I Just use PB's'seriously, KOMs are pointless. If you want to see how fast you are race, you'll soon learn the truth.
Some people race [i]and[/i] use Strava you know.
đŸ™„
[i]I honestly think I ride better and faster because of it. [/i]
If only there were some way of measuring whether you were faster on a stretch of singletrack on any given ride rather than just relying on your gut feeling đŸ˜‰
one of friends bought a garmin gps widget to use instead of his phone, and found that he was instantly 10% slower.He tested it and found that his phone was 'faster' (by the missing 10%) than his dedicated gps device.
guess which device he uses now?
And I'm consistently faster with my Garmin than I am either of my phones. Maybe I should go back and re-ride all my KOM'S with the Garmin!
Trouble is, I keep forgetting it, so end up with the phone.
chakaping - MemberSome people race and use Strava you know.
Get away đŸ™„
wwaswas - Member
I honestly think I ride better and faster because of it.If only there were some way of measuring whether you were faster on a stretch of singletrack on any given ride rather than just relying on your gut feeling
Yeah, alright.....