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 jeb
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Hello

I have friend who passed by the doctor for a check, because of the following symptoms, and now the doctor wants to put him on medication, because of his high sugar level, cholesterol

Symptoms: Sweating, thirst, peeing more, yellow, blurred vision

The last couple of years he went from 80 kilo, to a 100, and doing a lot of nightlife, drinking.

He stills bikes, and runs, but on a low level

Is there any cure for his condition???


 
Posted : 05/11/2018 9:48 pm
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Type 2 is reversible but requires diet, lifestyle and habit changing...


 
Posted : 05/11/2018 10:06 pm
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What he said.


 
Posted : 05/11/2018 10:12 pm
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There's good evidence that a low-carb diet can help lots.  But your mate has to completely turn diet around.  Exercise doesn't cut it - you can't outrun (or ride) poor diet.

If you can't pick it, dig it up or kill it yourself it isn't food and shouldn't go in your mouth.


 
Posted : 05/11/2018 10:23 pm
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The labour MP Tom Watson turned it around recently - might be a good reference point to read about as it was covered in the media a fair bit. Sounds like it's decision time for your mate - not something you half commit to.


 
Posted : 05/11/2018 10:33 pm
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I know a bloke who swears by a book called the obesity code...I think it's about fasting and the effects that has on insulin


 
Posted : 05/11/2018 10:37 pm
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If the medication is empagliflozin then be very careful regarding ketoacidosis,


 
Posted : 05/11/2018 11:24 pm
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Technically, once you have received a diagnosis of diabetic, you are diabetic.  You can be a diabetic who controls it with lifestyle, or medication or both.  Lifestyle may allow you to get your blood sugar into the normal range but you are still a diabetic.  That is largely because it changes how some conditions are treated (they will target lower cholesterol numbers than for non-diabetic, because diabetes increases the risk of certain cardiovascular stuff.)

Cutting out as much sugar as possible.  Avoiding simple starches like white bread ( breaks down too easily) eating small and regular and exercise.


 
Posted : 06/11/2018 4:15 am
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Yes. T2D is reversible with a very low calorie diet (800 calories per day approx) taken for 8-12 weeks and then followed by the reintroduction of a healthy food diet.

You’d be looking for something like 15kg weight loss. Unless T2D is treated serious health implications could arise.


 
Posted : 06/11/2018 4:30 am
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Yes, I did it ...Around 35 kgs on a very low calorie diet ( 800kcals day) with no exceptions.

Over a year I gain around 3-5kgs, but then go back on the above for 6 weeks in Jan.

I have reversed my diabetes II, reduced blood pressure, resting heart rate dropped. and blood sugar normal.  I am not diabetes free ... but in remission.  The weight has to stay off, I have to do the exercise ( 90kms off road a week), and have a limited alcohol / carb diet.

In remission for two years now ...


 
Posted : 06/11/2018 10:13 am
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So as somone who may be pre diabeties (see other thread) ive cut out a lot of sugary stuff (sweets) but still having bread etc. should this go too? that makes it bloody hard.


 
Posted : 06/11/2018 10:28 am
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What works for one person might not work for another.

One mans "healthy diet" is another mans poison.

http://www.robertlustig.com/2018/03/aseem_malhotra_uk_release/


 
Posted : 06/11/2018 11:37 am
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https://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/


 
Posted : 06/11/2018 11:46 am
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Cut your carb intake - bread, potatoes, rice, noodles.  Fill up with more veg.

Carbs turn to sugar/fuel.  A Type 2 is insulin resistant, and by reducing the carbs you can control it better.

My son is Type 1 so we know all about carb intakes, having to weigh out everything he eats.  Most veg is carb 'free', and we count bread, potatoes, rice, noodles.


 
Posted : 06/11/2018 11:51 am
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Oh man, thanks a lot for the feedback, very very very helpfull guys !  -really helpfull advice, loads to work with here.


 
Posted : 06/11/2018 1:10 pm
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A plant-based diet (not going to use the V-word as people instantly switch off 😉 ) has been shown in several studies to offer improvements in managing Type 2 Diabetes over one that contains animal protein...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16873779
<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;"> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27022032</span>


 
Posted : 06/11/2018 1:11 pm
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I have an 8 year old Type 1 daughter, the latest thinking is trying to keep diabetes "in-range" as much as possible, with blood glucose between 4 and around 7 ideally for a long as possible, instead of simply looking at the average blood glucose.

To do this they are advocating always having good quality fats and proteins with each meal, as they slow down the absorption rates of the carbohydrate into the blood stream, so there is not the lag between carbs entering the blood and then the insulin lagging behind, so getting rid of the carb peaks and highs, which in Type 2, overwhelm the under-functioning pancreas


 
Posted : 06/11/2018 1:20 pm
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@andybrad - you don't have to cut out bread, rice, pasta etc but switch to whole grain whole wheat bread and pasta and converted rice or wild rice.

The whole grain part is crucial - whole wheat by itself is insufficient.  The whole grain makes it harder for the body to digest so it slows down the rate at which it is converted to sugar in the bloodstream.  Low and slow is the key (low sugar, including sugar produced from the conversion of starches and slow digestion). Whole grain increases the amount of fibre and a rule often quoted for a diabetic friendly diet is the the amount of carbohydrate - Fibre is important.  If the result = 0 you can eat as much as you want, at least in theory, because the five stops the carb from converting quickly.


 
Posted : 06/11/2018 5:32 pm
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I'm not one for faddy diets but this is one case where I'm convinced.


 
Posted : 06/11/2018 5:44 pm
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I listened to a podcast with a diabetes researcher (I wish I could remember which one it was to link), but basically she said that the type 1 and 2 classifications are really not that accurate, and there are actually many more classifications, type 1 and 2 basically describe the effects and symptoms but not the causes. ie some people are born with it, and no amount of dietary modification is going to cure it, whereas it can also be brought on by lifestyle and if so can be cured/reversed the same way.

As with many health "discoveries" now, it is probably due to gene expression, so depending on your genetic makeup you could range from living a totally clean and healthy life, but still having diabetes, through to having the worst most sugar laden diet possible and never having any problems.

The current thinking on most health issues now through gene research, seems to most of them being "spectrum" disorders.


 
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Posted : 07/11/2018 8:29 am
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This is from personal experience.

After letting myself go and going to 19 stone, I got type 2.

12 months later I have lost 4.5 stone (Still want to loose another 2.5 stone). Blood sugar is below pre-diabetic levels. 4.6-5.0 in the morning and 5.5-6.0, 2 hours after a meal.

Main thing is calories and low carbs. Sugar I dont watch too much. Watching the other two kind of means sugar is also kept in check.

Also exercise! Back into MTB after 7 years out of it. This makes a big difference. I now exercise everyday. Even if its an hours walk one day and an hours ride the next day. I make sure I do something.

As above, you are never actually cured, you just keep levels at a level that Type complications wont happen or only happen very far down the line.


 
Posted : 07/11/2018 10:09 am
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Oh man, you guys are just the most real, honest good answers......... loads to pass on my friend. Thanks !


 
Posted : 14/11/2018 11:51 pm
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I think it is fair to say that many of Professor Tim Noakes ideas and claims are not universally accepted, and that many very clever and qualified* people are quite critical of him.

*I am neither


 
Posted : 15/11/2018 1:16 pm
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Here is the reason why the Tim Noakes diet isn't universally accepted (pioppi diet)

https://www.nutrition.org.uk/nutritioninthenews/headlines/pioppidiet.html

As other have said type 2 is a collection of conditions. It means you make insulin but don't respond to it. This may bike life style realted but it maybe genetic in anyone case


 
Posted : 15/11/2018 6:03 pm
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The concern is that a lot of sufferers don't take it as seriously as they should.

There was a man on the BBC news last week who had diabetes. He got an infection in his foot, from memory, and for some reason due to the diabetes he ended up having his leg amputated below the knee. He was refreshingly honest and admitted he had no-one to blame other than himself, because he did not take the diabetes seriously enough and adjust his lifestyle.


 
Posted : 15/11/2018 6:27 pm
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One of the guys in my FLAB group has reversed his Type 2 - lost a couple of stone through riding and Slimming World, ended up being pictured as a success story in one of the Sunday supplements


 
Posted : 15/11/2018 10:00 pm
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Type 2 here and struggling if I’m honest.

Think the zero carb approach may be the way to go.


 
Posted : 15/11/2018 10:07 pm
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^^ Relevant username 😀


 
Posted : 16/11/2018 7:34 am
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^^ Relevant username

Not really, no, never had sugar in my Tea, its just a nod to being an ex-sqauddie as that's what constitutes a NATO brew..


 
Posted : 16/11/2018 2:24 pm

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