[Closed] Death Grip

how many fingers do you use for braking?

I found switching to 1 finger brkaking meant I felt more secure holding the bars so din't hold on so tight.

Go easier, you will probably be faster, and it will drain you less.

Aye, one finger braking and bite point set closer to the bars can both help.

im usally using two. will have to give that a go.

thanks guys

death grip is no finger braking....

Imagine the bar is a tube of toothpaste.
The lid is off.
You need to keep hold of it,
but don't squeeze any toothpaste out.

Works for me

APF

move the brake levers across the bar so your index finger is nearer the 'bend'/end - will give more leverage for same effort.

Will help to move your brakes in towards the stem a bit, so that your index finger is gripping the end of the levers.

Also, I find my hands get tired if my wrists are bent - try to angle your brakes so that your arms are straight in your normal riding position. (That said, there are those who disagree, and have levers angled almost straight down, see what suits you)

If your levers are tilted too far down it can cause this.

alex thats a good idear. and jambo the end result is no braking. due to not being able to bend my fingers

my levers are tilted down. getting loads of good advice hear 🙂

Mentally repeat to yourself something like 'relax, look where you want to go and relax'. i find this really helps.

In addition to setting up the levers for one finger braking, I found cheap foam grips helped a lot. Reduced my arm pump significantly

Yeah tilt your levers up a bit. Straight in normal riding position is a good start, but you might find a little bit higher works too - straight when you are leaning back

so basically i just need to learn how to set up my bike lol

slow is smooth,and smooth is fast.
ride it slow,and smooth.then go faster.gradually.
you don't survive the trail.
you work the trail.
pad up and let go of the brakes.

"pad up"?
WTF? Are you "on" your time of the month?

pad up??? what are thay? next you will be sayin were a helmet lol. lmao but its true if u got protection its one less thing to worry about

Try humming this song to yourself while riding, changing the word "trip" to "grip"...

Set-up is part of it but relaxing is a also v important. That comes from confidence, which comes from riding in control. So do as others have said and slow down a bit and concentrate on riding smoothly and getting your technique right.

He's right, hum this instead...

There was a classic 'letter' in one of the MTB mags years ago from someone asking where they could buy some 'Death Grips'. They had heard people talking about how they went faster since using 'death grips' so they wanted some for themselves 😆

Levers up, definitely NOT down

Basically you need to just 'rest' your hands on the bars and not grip them, choice of grip does make a difference. I prefer soft 'chunky' Oury grips, but friends prefer slimmer Odi type - you need to experiment yourself.

It's a natural reaction to tense up when your bike starts to 'squirm' and this is the worse thing you can do as you are fighting against the gyrascopic action of your front wheel. Relaxing is the best thing to do as the gyroscopic force of the front wheel will naturally want to straighten it.

I read a book by Keith Code years ago that describes the technique and have never had arm pump in my life since.

Couple of pints and a jazz cigarette 😀

Ergon grips.

One-finger braking definitely helps - yoi may need to move your levers away from the grips to accomodate this...

Aswell as that try either dabbing bits of speed off regularly or staying off them more and looking through the trail with your torso..Sounds daft but I started some time ago imagining my belly button as an eye and using it to look at the exit of every corner, landing etc. Basically twist your torso in to the corner as much as possible.

The technique has made me smoother, faster and meant i've had to use the brakes as much on the trails 🙂

If you [i]try[/i] and relax your hands, you end up still focusing on your hands too much. A good thing that usually works is stop thinking about your hands completely (after you've paid attention to making your levers comfortable etc) and think exclusively about riding on your feet. Just let the bars shimmy about in loose hands.

Also agree with building up progressively and staying in a control frame of mind. Speed will come, don't force it because even if you get fast by being frightened you tend not to learn in that frame of mind.

Also agree that belly button steering is a good thing - again, you're pointing your whole self and the bike with you, rather than thinking about wrestling the steering.

As above - gripping the bars too tightly isn't the problem, it's a symptom of being too tense.

If you learn to relax you'll get much better. The best way to relax is probably to get better and more confident, which means riding more 🙂

How old are you, and how long have you been MTBing?

im 21 but only been riding for about 3 months

I read heavy feet light hands it works for me best thing i found was a skills course well worth the money also watching skills dvds an i got a mountain bike skills book but relaxing does help not just with braking but controlling your bike

In short, buy and read Mastering Mountain Bike Skills!

Heavy feet, light hands, drop your heels and wrists, raise your brake levers and move them inboard so your index finger rests right on the end of the lever, and drop your body low, elbows up and out. Think forward and down and through the bike.

or simply ride more descents!
reading a huge manual on bikeskills after only 3months of riding may be a bit much to comprehend?

As chiefgroove says, you should be focusing on your bodyweight always being on the BB IMO, think in terms of at any point being able to let go of the bars if you wanted and you wouldn't fall forwards or backwards, you should ride and think like this all the time. brake levers up and in (1 finger) as said above. 🙂

This 'you must use 1 finger to brake' is nonsense, you use as many fingers as you feel comfortable with!!

I use 2 fingers on all of my bikes, I learnt how to relax on the bike and counter my natural instincts which is the main reason for 'death gripping'.

Death grip isn't grabbing the bars too hard, it's holding the bars not the brakes which has to 2 effects, reduces arm pump as the muscles/tendons in your forearms aren't stressed anymore. And makes you faster by reducing the tendancy to subconsciously tap the brakes every so often to give you the sense of control. Hence death grip = fast.

1 finger braking is good as it reduces arm pump, most people use their index finger, some use their middle finger. Some disagree with it entirely for some reason, but I can't see any disadvantages to it with modern disk brakes being so powerful (even on well set up V's or weak XC disks it's more than enough).

Setting the bite point to as close to the bars as possible has the same effect on reducing the tension in your forearm muscles and reducing arm-pump. I run mine so in a car park test I'm convinced they're not going to work and the levers reach the bars with little effort, but as soon as there's loose surfaces thrown into the mix they lock up well before they hit the bars. Makes braking the same strain on your arms as just holding the grips.

Try it, you've nothing to lose:

*death grip (properly off the brakes, not grabbing the bars tightly)
*1 finger braking
*bite point right against the bar

That and there's just general riding technique, I broke my arm before christmas, 3 months later my arm was too weak to even lift stuff (it still struggles to lift a bike over a stile and I can't press-up properly) so I've re-learnt how to ride doing a lot more through my legs and gradually working my way back over the front of the bike as the strength comes back. So it is possible to ride quickly with different technique, just look at some world cup DH video's there's not one technique, they all do things differently (or copy their mentor cf. Brenden looks like Peaty, Brosnan looks like Hill, etc)

this thread is VERY helpful!

just look at some world cup DH video's there's not one technique, they all do things differently [b](or copy their mentor cf. Brenden looks like Peaty, Brosnan looks like Hill, etc)[/b]

Same with Brosnan and Hill, Brosnan's a clipped in pedaller with new school style while Hill's a non -pedalling sniper line wild man (or he was).

Ps. way to teach 100mph to suck eggs 😉

I'd only been riding MTBs in the modern stylee for about 6 months when I bought MMBS. Loads of the content went way over my head but certain fundamentals clicked and really helped. I often revisit it and find my riding has progressed another step and another segment of the book is now relevant to my riding.

http://www.leelikesbikes.com/ergon-grips-for-dh-riding.html#more-902

I was looking for some more info on grip issues but found this instead and it amused me:

http://www.leelikesbikes.com/hanging-with-mark-weir.html#more-84

Position your hands on the grips so your wrists follow a line into the centre of the bar not over the top. This makes it very difficult to go over the bars which is probably half the reason you are gripping so hard in the first place. Grip lightly with 3 fingers and thumb, try to minimize braking, especially dragging the brakes which can lead to arm pump. Centralise your weight on the bike putting as much weight through your feet as your hands.

all good advice. set my levers up a lot better now. not done any dh or fr yet tho 🙁

I think if you have your bodyweight off the bars (always over the BB as I've said), you won't have a death grip. Like said, start slower and in control and focus on body position of keeping weight on your feet (over the BB). heels down, wrists down, squat down will help you prevent being thrown forward and eliminate death grip (levers up, 1 or 2 finger braking, whatever). The same principle for drops and other stuff, weight on the bb and chest up will keep the bars and front end up (you will not nose dive if you keep your weight centred over the bb and chest up). Occasions you need to move outside that BB weighting would be manuals/bunnyhops etc.