No doubt the Mum and Dad ranting
It's not mum and dad - it's dad and Danny's wife
Not that she's said much - just liked a few posts sticking up for Danny
Does feel like they were trying to ‘get out in front’ of Danny announcing he was off somewhere else. No doubt the Mum and Dad ranting would have been forthcoming even if they’d kept schtum until the end of the season.
Isn't the usual MO with this sort of thing the team make an announcement near the end of the calendar year, I guess with the Bike year starting in Sept they'll want their investment in the rider to pay off when the new models arrive. Anyway, they put a nice pic of them in their team kit on all the SM platforms, sometimes even a nice Shreadit, thanking them for all they've done for the team etc. Even a top 20, $50k on the Fantasy League level rider could expect that at least.
Then we all play the Team Rumours game for a bit, the rider 'accidentally' leaves a few clues in an Insta pic or something to get the mill going, they get spotted riding in a popular riding spot like BPW at the weekend (something I believe they almost never do) creating a bit of hype and they announce their new team in the first few weeks of Jan.
Whatever the issue between Madison and Hart, if there is one at all, saying a Double World Champion is leaving in the footnote of an announcement that you're signing a new rider is unusual in this Sport, and probably a bit disrespectful to Danny, even if his family's explosive reaction makes you think there's more to it.
Will Longden looking and sounding a bit defensive about it all, followed by a very telling long silence from Danny but
"the future looks bright" (direct quote!).
Danny Hart UCI racing team, anyone?
Whatever happened or didnt happened, it only serves to make everyone look bad.
Let the riding do the talking (which does seem to be the way Danny has always operated to be fair)
“the future looks bright”
He IS going to Orange then!
(youngsters may not get this)
I'm I reading to much into that 'future is bright' comment
Edit: beaten to it
Also I've not been keeping up with my Wyn TV watching, but that is the most relaxed and chatty I've seen Danny with Wyn.
In seriousness, he seems very upbeat there, like a man with a weight off his shoulders.
Or am I reading too much into things?
See... if I was Will Longden and I was going to be interviewed about a 'touchy' subject and didn't appear to want to look defensive about it, in favour of it's just 'business as usual, riders come, riders go etc'. I'd be sure not to spend the interview with my arms crossed and using such clipped sentences ha ha.
But that's just me.
Haha I'm not sure Danny himself is old enough for the futures bright to be a hint 😆
He IS going to Orange then!
He's probably old enough to remember it himself.
Maybe it'll suit him, if he's travelling to races himself, using his own people etc, but AFAIK Orange haven't had a WC DH team since Peaty left 15 years ago.
@chakaping I'd tend to agree, Longden cam across very odd and defensive. The long silence was a big **** you to Saracen, which was ace.
Dad and Wife should wind their necks in, they are fishing for a reaction and stirring the pot which isn't a bright idea. Yes they may be aggrieved, but should be keeping it quiet, be professional about it.
Anyone remember what the deal was with Dave Garland, Danny's old mechanic? Did he ever work at Saracen? He's using his mate Scott, who in his own right is a damn good rider and so far a very good mechanic.
“the future looks bright” (direct quote!).
Sunn??? No duh bike listed on their site though
Dad on the insta story saying ‘the team management are out of their depth with a rider of Danny’s caliber and would be better racing the British Domestic Series’
Everyone else (somewhat ironically) criticising the teams professionalism and lack of respect for Danny (and assumedly, those around him), as if they are reading from the same script.
Clearly the player and/or his management think they are bigger than the team. If that’s the case, they are right to get rid.
“the future looks bright” (direct quote!).
Sunn??? No duh bike listed on their site though
A combination of Will's mannerism, the fact he said it 'blew up', but didn't calm it down at all spoke volumes.
Then Danny's long silence with nod said a lot.
The futures bright quote may just be him playing, but might he become an Orange Endura Hazzard Hart racing team...?
@pjay orange were the headline sponsor of the dirt team for a couple of years before they switched to propain.
4 days ago Orange did a FB post about how Tracey Hannah was the only DH world Champ they'd had. The post finished saying one day they might have another go but no immediate plans.
The future might be bright but I'm not sure it's orange.
I cannot hear Danny Hart without thinking of Vic and Bob doing Donald and Davey Stott, Doing the Dock of the Bay pastiche.
Haven’t been able to find a good photo (and can’t be bothered going through footage) but I’ve been told Danny was using a floating brake at the weekend. That wouldn’t bode very well for a trip to Orange if he’s just convinced Saracen to fit one
orange were the headline sponsor of the dirt team for a couple of years before they switched to propain.
Sorry to nitpick but not a factory team, as far as I understand
Same with Mojo orange - Dan stanbridge and our very own Ben cathro and was it Fergus lamb? A quick roots n rain will clear it up but CBA
Of course he's not going to Orange.
Though it's still more likely than Atherton bikes, which loads of people were suggesting.
I tend to find that the sort of people who flare up about how hard done by they are on twitter, without giving any details at all and at the same time looking like they're trying to start a fight, are usually people who feel hard done by when actually they behave like idiots and so bad things happen to them. And I suspect Danny's dad is one of them, and it's probably why Danny isn't on the team anymore
Will Longden has been running DH teams since I was at school and I don't remember hearing anything about his management before, while I've heard an awful lot about Danny's dad and bits and pieces about Danny himself.
Haven’t been able to find a good photo (and can’t be bothered going through footage) but I’ve been told Danny was using a floating brake at the weekend
The comments about the floating brake arm refer to a rough bit of alloy cobbled together ages ago. It was one on the first changes he made to the bike but also can't be arsed to look it up.
I can't see him riding whatever donkey Orange are calling a DH bike these days. He's already signed a contract but we won't find out until 2021 barring anymore untimely outbursts.
Current best guess is solo venture on Mondraker frames I reckon.
The comments about the floating brake arm refer to a rough bit of alloy cobbled together ages ago
The comment came from a mate watching one of the Vital RAW videos over the weekend.
Maybe I'm misremembering, but hasn't he done better on Saracen than he did on Mondraker?
What’s the deal with his dad? Just defending his son or genuinely a nasty chap to other bikers? I don’t see anything wrong with the sign outside his house, I’d be happy if my son was that good at something. He’ll find a sponsor easily, one of the worlds best bike riders without a sponsor, behave. Would like to see him with Pagey and Hill on nukeproof.
Maybe I’m misremembering, but hasn’t he done better on Saracen than he did on Mondraker?
He was world champ with Mondraker, not with Saracen...
What’s the deal with his dad
Well known bellend on the DH scene. Charlie big potatoes, do you know who I am type. Rude, arrogant etc.
Looks like a lovely fella on his Facebook profile too.
Mondraker was his career highlight, that incredible run of wins in 2016.
Go back to Mondraker then him and Greenland would make a great double act. Laurie and Harty.
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Free MemberWhat’s the deal with his dad? Just defending his son or genuinely a nasty chap to other bikers?
You know how absolutely everyone likes Danny? For reasons of balance, absolutely everyone thinks his dad's a ****er. Funny what Boardinbob said, he's literally one of the two people that have ever said "Do you know who I am" to me in my life. And the other one was Andrew Morton so, there's your benchmark.
And the other one was Andrew Morton so, there’s your benchmark.
Oh, I was hoping it was going to be Ronnie Pickering.
The comment came from a mate watching one of the Vital RAW videos over the weekend.
Yeah but it didn't just pop up at the Worlds he's been using it for ages. I went and found a picture from the start of last year...
Maybe I’m misremembering, but hasn’t he done better on Saracen than he did on Mondraker?
He left Mondraker with a 3 in a row winning streak in 2016 and won his second World Championship. He's been mostly blocked out by Frenchies since then apart from the last round in 2019.
Looks like a lovely fella on his Facebook profile too
Just had a look.
His posts follow a few main themes:
Racism. Covid is a conspiracy. Sexism.
An absolute cretin of a man
Oh, I was hoping it was going to be Ronnie Pickering
Who?
he’s literally one of the two people that have ever said “Do you know who I am” to me in my life.
I've always wanted someone to pull that one so I could start loudly asking bystanders whether they knew who this bloke was, as he seemed to have forgotten.
I think it was a big shock to him, it shows when you watch Wyn TV and that interview...
Wherever he goes he’s bound to kill it anyway, I agree with those saying he could see how he gets on on the Commencal bike, can’t see him moving to Atherton as reckon they’ll still want to keep it a family affair for a bit longer.
Who knows!!
His old man is a prize bellend, tried the "do you know who I am" trick with me to try blag merch at Fort Bill. Didn't like it when I said "yeah you're Danny Harts dad do you'll know he can wear this due to his sponsor obligations" 😂😂😂😂
In all seriousness, yes Danny is a great racer with the results to back it up. Is he the epitome of what a modern sponsored rider needs to be? I'm not quite sure. Add in the constant spectre of his dad creating embarrassment and I wonder if he's as "valuable" as some might think. Essentially his only value is results, not charisma, media friendliness or other attributes, so as soon as results slow down, he's less valuable as a commodity.
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Free MemberHis old man is a prize bellend, tried the “do you know who I am” trick with me to try blag merch at Fort Bill. Didn’t like it when I said “yeah you’re Danny Harts dad do you’ll know he can wear this due to his sponsor obligations” 😂😂😂😂
This is ace. Sort of similar for me, I was marshalling and he wouldn't get behind the tape, stage was live. "Do you know who I am" "Yes, you're Danny's dad and you should bloody know better".
Thought of better responses later obviously but that wasn't too bad.Well, OK, mainly, I just wanted to say the same thing but end it "Now, **** off" like Brick Top.
oooh - we need more of these stories. I've got some extra-nice biscuits in that have been waiting for an occasion!
This is ace. Sort of similar for me, I was marshalling and he wouldn’t get behind the tape, stage was live. “Do you know who I am” “Yes, you’re Danny’s dad and you should bloody know better”.
Clearly the man has form, he did the same to a female marshal at a BDS & threatened her as well. He's all class.
Well, a few years ago when the BDS was a big deal and Danny hadn't yet blown up on the WC, every time there was a race Danny would be at the venue the week before on the uplifts. Fair enough, he's just getting as much track time as possible.
Uplift days can get pretty busy and you might find yourself standing in line or missing the occasional lift and completing less runs than normal. Unless you've got a visibly frustrated Paul Hart counting your runs. He marched over to a full uplift trailer and started removing the bikes of paying punters and trying to replace them with Danny's. Cue lots of angry shouting, threats of violence and the immortal sentence "Do you know who my son is?" screamed at full volume.
I don't like sharing dirty laundry but this was witnessed by dozens of people so it's fair game. I once saw the toys get thrown right out of the pram at Fatcats Motorparc but that was a more private display of impotent fury.
Add in the constant spectre of his dad creating embarrassment and I wonder if he’s as “valuable” as some might think. Essentially his only value is results, not charisma, media friendliness or other attributes, so as soon as results slow down, he’s less valuable as a commodity.
I'd not heard of Danny's dad being a weapon till this thread, I guess to your average punter who watches the races and other coverage you dont hear these things.
Thought of better responses later obviously but that wasn’t too <span class="skimlinks-unlinked">bad.Well</span>, OK, mainly, I just wanted to say the same thing but end it “Now, **** off” like Brick Top.
Put your Dad on a lead, will ya?
I’d not heard of Danny’s dad being a weapon till this thread
I'd take it with a pinch of salt. Always seemed like a nice bloke to me.
Whereas is FB output paints a picture of an Angry man unused to not getting his own way, and prone to blaming others for his own misfortune.
Just had a look at his FB profile. He shared of Katie Hopkins, "telling how it is" need we say anymore? His FB profile matches what I have heard about him and what people on here are saying. I have no idea if Danny is also like that.
Doesn't take away from the fact Danny is a joy to watch on a bike.
Andyrm's comment is spot on: In all seriousness, yes Danny is a great racer with the results to back it up. Is he the epitome of what a modern sponsored rider needs to be? I’m not quite sure. Add in the constant spectre of his dad creating embarrassment and I wonder if he’s as “valuable” as some might think. Essentially his only value is results, not charisma, media friendliness or other attributes, so as soon as results slow down, he’s less valuable as a commodity.
This is how a business sees its riders. Social media sells bikes probably more than race results. Anything that can negatively affect Socail media will be a massive turnoff.
Folk who say racism doesn’t exist in MTB would do well to look at his (Danny’s dad) FB page.
oooh – we need more of these stories. I’ve got some extra-nice biscuits in that have been waiting for an occasion!
He once tried to get my mate and I to fight him in a pub car park in Leogang because he didn't like the way we moderated the Descent-World forum in the early 2000's.
I don't recall what witty retort my mate had for him though the whole argument ended with a hug so I perhaps shouldn't be too unkind since technically we have agreed to let bygones be bygones.
Folk who say racism doesn’t exist in MTB would do well to look at his (Danny’s dad) FB page.
It's spectacularly grim. I mean it's exclusively a non stop diatribe of hate and anger.
There is a series, might have been on RedBull TV, where they spent time with different DH racers and their teams / support / family.
Danny was featured and he came across ok, it also had a fair bit of his dad who was saying stuff like (and I paraphrase from memory) Danny doesn’t have much else going for him other than DH; I told him you turn up to win or else what’s the point; and so on.
His dad had positioned himself as Dannys management, but rather than looking out for Danny he came across as controlling and living his own dreams by proxy. It stood out to me as I kept thinking wow that’s your son you are talking about! It didn't seem healthy.
I don't want to give this Gammon King any credit but arguably you need a pushy parent to get to the the top. In Danny's case he's been racing from a very young age and it might be the case that this gave him an edge. I don't know. But a less hands on parent wouldn't have been driving him to race venues all over the country.
But there's plenty of proactive parents who aren't complete arseholes I guess
The DH scene is so friendly and fraternal that anyone who's a prick will immediately stand out
Anyway, I'm dying to see where he's going. I hope we don't have to wait until next year.
Maybe he'll do an Atherton and be racing on 'Paul Hart' bikes next year? :)))))))
His dad had positioned himself as Dannys management, but rather than looking out for Danny he came across as controlling and living his own dreams by proxy.
It stood out as that when I saw Danny first turning up at DH races at 12 years old (iirc)
Doesn’t take away from the fact Danny is a joy to watch on a bike.
but sadly lacking when not on it from a sponsors PoV
Probably due to ....
(and I paraphrase from memory) Danny doesn’t have much else going for him other than DH; I told him you turn up to win or else what’s the point; and so on.
like what chance did he have?
arguably you need a pushy parent to get to the the top
There's being pushy, then there's just being a rude, thick arsehole
Maybe he’ll do an Atherton and be racing on ‘Paul Hart’ bikes next year?
PHART RACING ?
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Maybe he’ll do an Atherton and be racing on ‘Paul Hart’ bikes next year?PHART RACING ?
#ridelikethewind
Hanny dart is Danny's personal Facebook page, his missus Sophie is a bit more erm Covid conspiracyesque, seems perfectly nice when I met them @ a redbull event a few years ago.
Is the situation getting to him, he seemed a bit kerfuffled speaking to Jordi on dialled, I don't think I've seen him on it before, its usually the syndicate boys being the biggest puzzlers.
If you want sponsorship money you need to pay a specialist to do your Social Media.
Warner just said he reckoned he was a going to a 'square' brand...
Where will his Dad go ?
From the Maribor thread, Warner flying around the rumour that Vergier going to Trek. I've not heard that before but very surprised (if true). Seems a done deal
Trek website says announcement in coming weeks. 3 elite riders and 1 junior.
Hope it's not like their cringey tease vid last season
So Danny to Cube, Loris to Trek and Reece to... where? Straight swap with the Syndicate perhaps?
Whatever, I hope he hadn't already signed a contract before winning the rainbow jersey.
I'm trying to remember but I can't recall anyone leaving the Syndicate for another team.? Seems like a happy, relatively low stress team environment considering. Riders seem to get plenty of time to figure out their stuff and be the best competitor they can be and don't seem to be on a yearly cycle of 'perform or you're out'.
TL:DR Seems odd Loris is leaving Santa Cruz. Think Reece would be a good fit there though.
Well, a few years ago when the BDS was a big deal and Danny hadn’t yet blown up on the WC, every time there was a race Danny would be at the venue the week before on the uplifts. Fair enough, he’s just getting as much track time as possible.
Uplift days can get pretty busy and you might find yourself standing in line or missing the occasional lift and completing less runs than normal. Unless you’ve got a visibly frustrated Paul Hart counting your runs. He marched over to a full uplift trailer and started removing the bikes of paying punters and trying to replace them with Danny’s. Cue lots of angry shouting, threats of violence and the immortal sentence “Do you know who my son is?” screamed at full volume.
Saw his dad do a similar thing at Cwmcarn back in 2018 a few days before the BDS round there. The whole car park knew about it when he tried to jump the queue and there was rumours from some of the riders that day on the uplift (I was on the regular trails) that he'd been stopping riders going down the track so that Danny could have a clear run at it. I thought it was just the normal false rumours that some bitter people make up for a laugh but after reading all the stories above and looking at a few other sites it seems to be normal! The best bit was watching Danny's dad get a parking ticket for not paying and taking up 3 spaces as a makeshift pit area.
It's true....nobody ever leaves the syndicate for another team: Rennie and Bryceland both had existential crises, Peaty? Still there
Is the rumour that its Reece who's leaving Trek ? What about the other riders?
Cube is always an uninspiring move though, just cos it's Cube
rumours from some of the riders that day on the uplift (I was on the regular trails) that he’d been stopping riders going down the track so that Danny could have a clear run at it.
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I’d not heard of Danny’s dad being a weapon till this thread, I guess to your average punter who watches the races and other coverage you dont hear these things.
Exactly this the cool kids that Danny Hart appeals to probably arent all sat around discussing what thet ate drank and listened to on a friday night.
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I suppose its conjecture, but you or I can only guess his value to his sponsors from our point of view, Is there an army of 12 year old kids with a danny hart poster on his/her wall who thinks hes awesome? ,They probably wont stalk his dad on facebook wether he's a weapons grade dickhead or not? The yoof of today like a bit of Aggro, remember the guy from Sick bikes , proof being a dickhead can create a media following.
It’s true….nobody ever leaves the syndicate for another team: Rennie and Bryceland both had existential crises, Peaty? Still there
Nathan Rennie left to go to Morewood which didn't work out. He really didn't like it when "little Gregory" came on board with a much higher salary.
Unfortunately Morewood didn't have any money at all. No one got paid and the team folded.
Loris looks like the best long-term bet on the Syndicate, so I'd doubt he was pushed.
Unless they wanted a higher-profile rider with more wins under his belt.
Could they have Amaury or Loic lined up for next season?
On a Commencal was what I heard at Hamsterley today 🤷🏻♂️
Seems like a happy, relatively low stress team environment considering
Hmmm, I seem to remember both Greg and Josh suggesting that Roskopp isn't shy of letting the team know via text "shit-o-grams" if their results aren't to his expectations.
Riding with Phil Atwill at Cube could make sense.
Atwill could definitely benefit from being on a sexier bike brand.
I don't think it matters so much for Danny, as long as he's got a competitive bike.
Cube must have (relatively) alot of money for pro riders, as do Santa Cruz and especially trek. With Reece and Loris being recent winners Warner's words must have some credibility Shirley? I do hope Reece can stop his bell ringing enough to get his best time at Maribor 2.
I've been on a few uplifts and local races and never seen Danny's dad but had heard he's a dick, seems to be common knowledge. Danny was at Antur once, seemed sound.
Why would Santa cruz get rid of Loris, surely Luca's their weakest rider.
With Reece and Loris being recent winners Warner’s words must have some credibility Shirley?
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Why would Santa cruz get rid of Loris, surely Luca’s their weakest rider.
They wouldn't ,he's been tempted away by treks deep pockets. But Shaw will come good and once he starts winning I think he ll be a regular winner. He's been threatening to win for a few years now. I stupidly thought he'd done the winning run today until Minnaar came down
Having said that, once Pierron comes back I think the French will have a stranglehold on racing for a few seasons
Edit: that completely contradicts what I said about Luca Shaw but whatevs
