You don't need to be an 'investor' to invest in Singletrack: 6 days left: 95% of target - Find out more
Now that is good news ....well it will be if anything happens beyond a £30 fine and a gentle telling off....
Good.
Now that is good news ....well it will be if anything happens beyond a £30 fine and a gentle telling off....
Hopefully it's gone too high profile now for a wrist slap.
Excellent! It'll be interesting to see if there's any punishment though...
Ms Way, a trainee accountant of Akrotiri Square
Has she still got her job then? I thought she was getting in trouble there to.
Good decision by the CPS!
Watching this with interest, it was a fellow Iceni Velo member that was hit by her.
Drivig without duecare and attention - maximum penalty is £2500 fine, 9 points and disqualification at the magistrates descretion.
Failing to report or leaving the scene of an accident is a maximu 6 months in jug.
Would be nice if she were made an example of, full punishment and plenty of publicity about it too. Might make other 'bad road users' aware that their actions may be punished..
Fantastic. 🙂
stevied - Member
Would be nice if she were made an example of, full punishment and plenty of publicity about it too. Might make other 'bad road users' aware that their actions may be punished..
Except that will never happen tho I guess..
A slap on the wrists and a crappy fine will be about all she'll get sadly. 😐
I think it is far more likely that folk wont be tits on the internet/twitter re illegal driving than driving standards will suddenly improve and we all get space
That said for the offence and the bragging she should pay a hefty price IMHO
A ban and a fine would do nicely, I'd say. Excellent news.
Hoisted by her own petard and all that.
Some kind of cycle-centric community service would be good 🙂
I'm sure she'll get a pat on the back, maybe an ipod for her distress and even an OBE from this lovely car-loving Government.
maximu 6 months in jug
Is that Latin for she's off to the slammer. 🙂
What irked me about this was that she seemed to be sorry about getting caught rather than about the actual incident. Hopefully she'll get some community service rather than some piffling fine.
To be honest, if she gets convicted of all three charges (due care and attention, failing to stop and failing to report) even if it is just points and a fine, the convictions themselves will send a message out.
Anyone have any idea what sort of premium loading your insurance renewal will get with just a recent due care and attention conviction? I'd have thought that would get people's attention and make them think..
Has she still got her job then? I thought she was getting in trouble there too.
Even if she has, [b]if[/b] she gets done, I thought you couldn't qualify as an accountant with a conviction?
Not quite as cut and dried as that. A conviction for fraud or money laundering might be difficult, but I don't think traffic convictions will have the same impact
EDIT: A more realistic barrier to completing would be if the employer who is putting her through the training has sacked her....
Good on the CPS!
Hope she gets the book thrown hard at her
I think she might get a bit of a shock when she discovers that the courts are less inclined to listen to her bullshit than the papers. 🙂
She's got a family lawyer stood next to her. He'll deflect criticism away from her and make out how she's suffered enough already what with all the media attention, she's barely kept her job and look how vulnerable and innocent we've made her look in the dock. Please dear god call some sense to this war on motorists and the cyclist wasn't even hurt for christs sake and if he's not pressing any charges then there hasn;t been a crime see you at the golf course after your honour.
And she'll get a 30 quid fine.
Mark
My
Words
She's twenty one and has said something stupid - haven't we all. She's working as a trainee accountant which also means she's paid next to nothing as her employer is probably stumping up her course fees too.
She's made herself look like a colossal idiot and is clearly way out of her depth talking to the media, even if she's given a £30 fine and a slap on the wrist it's an experience that she'll unlikely forget until advanced Alzheimer's kicks in.
She's twenty one and has said something stupid - haven't we all
We've all said stupid things but she seemed to back it up with repeated stupid, dangerous, actions. She shouldn't have a driving licence.
She's twenty one and appeared to leave the scene of an accident. Her twitter history appeared to show previous incidences of taking photos and updating twitter whilst driving and speeding (whilst using her phone to snap the speedo).
She deserves to be made an example of.
Kill a (second) cyclist and you'll get 300 hours community
[url] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-22397918 [/url]
If you were really, really stupid then you might get something a bit more severe like a bit of a ban and a £350 fine
[url] http://www.roadjustice.org.uk/case-study/driver-who-killed-cyclist-a5-receives-suspended-sentence-and-fine-20311 [/url]
Very, very few people do chokey for killing people on a bike so no-one is going down when by pure fluke the person is still breathing after the accident.
PJM - I don't think the main point was saying something stupid - which did compound it - but the hit and run in the first place. Clearly unacceptable and if you make the argument for that that she is too young to know what she's doing then she shouldn't be driving at all.
A little disappointed at the motorist hating bile on here. We need to be careful we don't sink to their level, let's see what the courts do before we sharpen the pitch forks.
And I hope you've all signed up to the roads justice campaigns to help vent your spleens
(And I've had two friends killed whilst riding over the years, I'm well aware of the importance of these high profile cases)
That's the point though it's not just that she's said something amazingly stupid, she's driven someone off the road and actually been happy about it rather than stopped to think about her actions.
Whether or not she actually hit them, the comments she has made are that the people are taking his word against hers and that she's been stupid, they don't tie up, she made the comment, live and die by the sword and all that.
[i]A little disappointed at the motorist hating bile on here.[/i]
Where's that then?
Most people seem to be upset with this woman specifically while the rest, myself included are realists and understand that she won't get anything like her behaviour deserves. if we have an axe to grind it's with the justice system, not the motorists, which after all, we all are as well.
So she knocked him off (she knows she knocked him off)- so why didn't she stop and assist?
Why keep going? Basically to avoid any form of insurance claim, she probably thought her tweets to her friends was to them only and none would take offence-pass on the message/retweet.
Post-caught she tries worming out of the above with a 'heart-felt' apology.
Sorry, I hope she gets points. How many people have done the same and not tweeted about it/never been caught?
I'm not a motorist hater. You see enough dicks in cars though doing bizarre things daily.
Sadly many will see her offence as admitting to the act 'in writing', if she'd gotten away with it I imagine if there was a next time she'd keep quiet.
You'd think that even if she gets off lightly for knocking the cyclist off that she'll at least lose her license for leaving the scene.
I know someone who left the scene (In a car/car collision) and he lost his license straight away. Don't see why this would be any different.
I know someone who left the scene (In a car/car collision) and he lost his license straight away. Don't see why this would be any different.
Pretty wee little girl, at the start of a promising high-flying Accountancy career who gives a heart-felt apology that appeals to the Judge who is a middle-aged man? 😆
(I'm laughing but I'm not really).
PJM1974 - Member
She's twenty one and has said something stupid - haven't we all
It's more the fact that she actually knocked someone off a bike, didn't stop at the scene and then decided to boast about it on twitter that has got people riled.
Or did you forget that she actually knocked a cyclist off his bike & then did one.....?
on here? as in, on this thread? where? I can see a buttload of people complaining that dangerous drivers are allowed to get away with hitting/killing other roadusers, by our car-centric society and having a go at this particular driver, but I can't see any "all drivers are ****s" posts.A little disappointed at the motorist hating bile on here.
She's twenty one and has said something stupid - haven't we all. She's working as a trainee accountant which also means she's paid next to nothing as her employer is probably stumping up her course fees too.She's made herself look like a colossal idiot and is clearly way out of her depth talking to the media, even if she's given a £30 fine and a slap on the wrist it's an experience that she'll unlikely forget until advanced Alzheimer's kicks in.
In all likelyhood as she sawthe contact/him fall at that point she decided to leave the scene possibly thinking about her insurance premiums.
The Tweet wasn't the worse thing she did here. Was it?
aye she hit a cyclists proclaimed she owned the road and then drove off leaving him
the bragging may have been the most stupid part but it ws not th emost dangerous part
A little disappointed at the motorist hating bile on here.
Seems to be objections to one driver in particular rather than all motorists in genral
PS if you want to see bile start a thread on a cycling forum about roadies being two abreat
She's only been summonsed anyway. In all liklihood the CPS will drop the charges.
That's what they did for the 'careless driving' charge I was a witness for last year.
The Tweet wasn't the worse thing she did here. Was it?
based on her televised, tearful "apology", she seemed to think that it was.
and that's one of the reasons i believe she deserves to be punished to the extent the law allows in this case; the total lack of remorse for the offences she committed.
TBF I think quite a lot of people who end up in the dock are only sorry they got caught, not actually remorseful for what they did. Of course it helps your case if you atleast [i]attempt[/i] to look remorseful for the crime, she didn't even manage that iirc.
If it goes to court I think the Judge wont take a liking to the tweet and failing to stop at a scene of an accident.
Make her move 5 miles from her job
DQ her from driving
Ban her from getting a lift or using public transport
Buy her a bike
A little disappointed at the motorist hating bile on here.
I think it's been blown out of all "precaution" 😆
She is a daft lass, hit and runs are bad enough without boasting about it and then being too stupid to defend yourself properly as is shown in the tv interview, it just compounds her idiocy. Points, fine and a ban at the least.
Should be intresting when she turns up at a bike shop to pick up her new Bike to work scheme bike,
I dread to think how the social media will go if she gets off or just has her wrist slapped.
FWIW I think she deserved the public humiliation and the law needs to give her a proper punishment - how on earth can you drive away after knocking a cyclist off and then boast about it? It's heartless.
We do need to stamp out all the anti-cyclist nonsense that goes on - people are getting harmed. This is a great opportunity to publicise the seriousness of driving like an idiot and to pass out proper punishment.
Even highly intelligent friends of mine who I otherwise know as nice, caring people come out with it... 😯
Presumably after this amount of time they wouldn't summon her unless they were going to take it seriously?
She's only been summonsed anyway
What does "only" mean? Do you understand how our legal system works?
She hit a cyclist and didn’t stop.
Her social media output suggests that reckless driving is the norm for her (tailgating, speeding, taking photos whilst driving, hitting cyclists) – she’s not only a poor driver, she’s proud of the fact.
Her reaction to the outcry is all “Woe is me” – no apologies to the cyclist or for her irresponsible driving, or for her previous posts glorifying her crappy motoring skills. She calls the tweet ‘the worst mistake of [her] life’, and says she’d take it back if she could. Absolutely nothing about hitting a cyclist who she could have easily killed being the worst mistake (evidently it wasn’t for her, as she couldn’t even be bothered to stop) – no, she’s all upset because social media has bitten her on the arse. Boo hoo.
The issue isn’t her ill-advised use of social networks. Heck, the issue isn’t even the incident itself (bad as it was). The issue is a) her doing a hit and run, not stopping to see if the guy and his bike were unharmed and b) her entire attitude to other road users and total disregard for safety.
"judging me on one man's side of the story"
Ummm I don't think we are as we were judging you before we even knew who the cyclist you hit was. She is clearly a sh*t talking b*itch with no remorse to what she has done. I hope she gets the book thrown at her and if she doesn't then I hope social media continue to make an example of her.
One other thing, I wish any of the articles I have read on the the matter explained to the general public that there is no such thing as road tax.
[dodgy 70's wah wah guitar] Am i the only person hoping she has to do saucy jail time, where regular bed time pillow fights are the only means of survival? [/dodgy 70's wah wah guitar]
broess + a heck of a lot.
Well said.
...Absolutely nothing about hitting a cyclist who she could have easily killed
Do we know that the collision was her fault ?
The cyclist involved seemed to change his story a bit and say conflicting things.
Both of them seemed totally unable to remember what actually happened and describe it consistently.
So, could she have "easily killed" him, or could be have "easily killed himself"
I've not seen anything that clears up who's fault it actually was.
Not sure we got as far as 'fault'. We got stuck on the silly bragging via Twitter about running someone over then clearing off....
Not sure we got as far as 'fault'. We got stuck on the silly bragging via Twitter about running someone over then clearing off....
And more silly bragging about not being hurt because he was too hard to be injured by her little car.
One other thing, I wish any of the articles I have read on the the matter explained to the general public that there is no such thing as road tax.
A massive education and publicity campaign is needed - a total ban on the phrase "road tax" and a general appeal to common sense.
Earlier today, driving home from work (yes, just for today I had to drive, deal with it...) I was behind a tanker which slowed down dramatically, then pulled right over to the opposite lane of the road (normal single-carriageway road), he was practically on crawling up the right hand pavement, very slowly. He was overtaking a horse and rider. The rider waved thanks for the overtake - no revving engines, very wide.
Two minutes later the same tanker overtook a cyclist at 30 mph with about a 2ft gap. 🙄
Epic, total fail. A motorist will carefully overtake a horse or will sit behind a tractor at 15mph (neither of which pay "road tax") with no problems. Show them a cyclist and the rule is "I NEED to get past - NOW!! And for good measure I might shout something about road tax!"
Hopefully, the courts might be able to make a bit of an example of this stupid woman but I'm not holding my breath.
Do we know that the collision was her fault ?
But that's not what she's going to be in court for. Failing to stop is the more serious of the two charges
She stated she hit someone and failed to stop. She knew she'd done it and bragged. Who was to name for the collision is irrelevant on that one. The Without Due Care will probably have to be argued out on the day
Cases like this go through the courts every day, £30 and 3 points. The publicity makes this one interesting.
Do we know that the collision was her fault ?
I think I remember you trolling on the last thread.
On my fave peaks routes has 100m's of which I consider to be the most dangerous part of the ride: The road. In rush hour Ive noticed females never change lane/always 'hug' a cyclist. Literally.
Hence I stick to driving.
I think I remember you trolling on the last thread.
You accuse me of trolling because I asked who's fault it was when someone said
"[b]she[/b] could easily have killed [b]him[/b]"
We don't know who's fault it was, that's a fact.
How is pointing that out "trolling" ?
You will have to explain it to me I'm afraid.
We don't know who's fault it was, that's a fact.
We do know who knew they had been involved in an accident but didn't stop, that's a fact.
You accuse me of trolling because I asked who's fault it was when someone said"she could easily have killed him"
We don't know who's fault it was, that's a fact.
Admittedly that's true, but the balance of probabilities would suggest that it was her fault, as she has documented her irresponsible driving before.
OK, I might be being unfair, but I find it easier to believe that a person who:
a)Brags about speeding
b)Takes photos of themselves tailgating another motorist and complaining about them making them late for work
c)Takes photos [i]whilst driving[/i]
d)Collides with a cyclist, doesn't stop, then brags about it on Twitter and says he deserved it because she 'had right of way' because 'he doesn't even pay road tax'
...is more likely to be responsible for a collision than an experienced cyclist who would be risking his life by flinging himself into a car.
We don't know who's fault it was, that's a fact
Did her tweet not say just hit a cyclist rather than a cyclist just hit me
Either way she failed to stop
We do know who knew they had been involved in an accident but didn't stop, that's a fact.
Either way she failed to stop
I'm not saying she hasn't done anything wrong, far from it.
Simply pointing out that its entirely possible that the cyclist was actually to blame for the collision.
Neither of them seem to be able to describe what happened without contradicting themselves, so how is anyone here supposed to know.
It doesn't really matter does it as she hasn't been reported for hitting a cyclist has she? She's been reported for failing to stop and failing to report.
No wonder motorists pick on us, we can't even help ourselves <sigh>.
It doesn't really matter does it as she hasn't been reported for hitting a cyclist has she? She's been reported for failing to stop and failing to report.
Well, You have forgotten about the first charge mentioned which was "Driving without due care and attention" which suggests blame for the collision.
No wonder motorists pick on us, we can't even help ourselves <sigh>.
We don't have to all have the default position of "the driver is always to blame for everything" just because we ride bikes.
No, some of us ride bikes and also see the need to troll.
What this and the appalling language used on the various cyclist hating twitter feeds and websites highlight, is that we're missing a huge education piece when we train drivers.
Somewhere we're missing telling people new to the road that as well as them in their ton of metal, there are also lots of other people, some of whom are more vulnerable and should be treated accordingly. You can't just crash into some people, exchange insurance details and carry on, mainly because they've stopped moving for ever.
People like this girl and obviously many, many others, never have it explained to them that to get around the place in a car, you have to learn some rules which aren't written in a book or passed down by your parents.
I don't know if it was just me but it was made very clear to me when I was driving that it was a privilege, not a right. The road tax arguments support that but more than that, people need to understand that unless they share, someone will lose and while that will most likely be the guy protected by nothing more than lycra, living with that on your concience is not going to be easy.
My dad told me if you weren't prepared to behave on the roads in the same way you behave in the street, then you shouldn't be driving. Pushing into a queue/bullying someone/scaring someone when you're surrounded by a cage is easy..... try it when you've no protection and see how long it works for you.
Samuri, I like your Dad - we need more people like that 🙂
For all the reputation the Tube has, it's a far less bullying place than London's roads... mainly IMO because you're face to face with people who can talk back to you/thump you if you're a bully.
molgrips - Member
Make her move 5 miles from her job
DQ her from driving
Ban her from getting a lift or using public transport
Buy her a bike
That would be the very best punishment, but make her buy her own bike. 🙂
No, some of us ride bikes and also see the need to troll.
Please explain why you accuse me of trolling ?
I'm just pointing out that it may not have been her fault at all.
Her actions since the collision have all been shocking, but nobody has any idea if the actual collision was her fault or not. And the only two people involved don't seem able to be reliable in clearing it up either.
So when someone said "she could have easily killed him" I pointed this out.
How is that "trolling" ?
You must have a totally different definition to me 🙄
Did her tweet not say just hit a cyclist rather than a cyclist just hit me
Still waiting your explanation of how it was not her fault yet she tweeted that she hit someone rather than someone hit her
I think they think it is trolling as you are labouring a point that it is highly unlikely to be true though it could be argued to death if one was so inclined
FWIW I think they have more of a point than you do though neither is conclusive 😉
crazy-legs - MemberEarlier today, driving home from work (yes, just for today I had to drive, deal with it...) I was behind a tanker which slowed down dramatically, then pulled right over to the opposite lane of the road (normal single-carriageway road), he was practically on crawling up the right hand pavement, very slowly. He was overtaking a horse and rider. The rider waved thanks for the overtake - no revving engines, very wide.
Two minutes later the same tanker overtook a cyclist at 30 mph with about a 2ft gap.
Epic, total fail. A motorist will carefully overtake a horse or will sit behind a tractor at 15mph (neither of which pay "road tax") with no problems. Show them a cyclist and the rule is "I NEED to get past - NOW!! And for good measure I might shout something about road tax!"
This is what I have never understood. People seem happy to sit behind horse riders for some considerable distance before pulling out, giving them a massive berth and tottering past at a 2nd gear idle in case the horse gets startled before giving a cheery wave and gently accelerating.
If only the same courtesy could be extended to cyclists....
This is what I have never understood. People seem happy to sit behind horse riders for some considerable distance before pulling out, giving them a massive berth and tottering past at a 2nd gear idle in case the horse gets startled before giving a cheery wave and gently accelerating.
If only the same courtesy could be extended to cyclists....
A horse, weighs a considerable amount of pet food, with a human rider perched on top, hit a horse or the horse jumps onto your vehicle its going to do a considerable amount of damage to your vehicle,and to you and your passengers, possibly involving a huge blood loss from the animal,(seen a few vehicle horse interfaces),along with was the horse insured for your damage /injuries, was it trained to be on the road and lots more questions that may invalidate an insurance claim.
Oh and its a nice touchy feely animal.
Where as cyclists are squdidgy, dont have insurance, or a licence,dont pay road tax to use the roads, even though it doesnt exist, are seen as a pest to some drivers, and are basicly expendable to some.
I was out on the road bike a few weeks ago and a learner driver in a [i]driving school[/i] car squeezed past on a narrow bridge- unluckily the lights were against me and I was unable to add my little input into her lesson at the lights.Somewhere we're missing telling people new to the road that as well as them in their ton of metal, there are also lots of other people, some of whom are more vulnerable and should be treated accordingly.
It really does need to be tackled at the earliest stage in a driver's education, its a real problem. With more taking to two wheels those in power should really start to take it seriously.
Cheers,
Jamie
somewhat related, last night a lorry (in front of me) turning left at a junction/set of lights drove straight through the first line, right up to the ASL on a red light. i was turning right so i went on his outside, beyond the box so he could clearly see me. as i looked round, he yelled "what the f@#$ are you looking at?" so i pointed out that technically he had committed a traffic offence by not stopping at the first line. "what a load of f@#$ing shit" was his response, then he suggested he might run me over at some point in the future, then the lights changed and we both went on our ways.
educating drivers about sharing road space safely is paramount to all of this. otherwise we'll just continue mourning the sad loss of others, complaining about terrible drivers and feebly applauding on the off chance that offending drivers actually receive some kind of punishment.
Still waiting your explanation of how it was not her fault yet she tweeted that she hit someone rather than someone hit her
And he said he went 20 foot through a hedge but then said he didn't. (Or something similar)
Their stories are inconsistent. (Both of them) and I don't think anything either of them have said (to the press) can be relied on to work out what actually happened in the collision.
We do need to stamp out all the anti-cyclist nonsense that goes on - people are getting harmed.
It does seem to be socially acceptable at the minute, doesn't it. I'd wager that if her hashtag had been "#bloody****s", the subsequent discussions would be going in a very different direction.
I'm just pointing out that it may not have been her fault at all.
...
So when someone said "she could have easily killed him" I pointed this out.
These aren't mutually exclusive though. She could easily have killed him even if he was the cause of the accident. Fat lot of good being right or wrong does you when you're dead.
In any case, it seems unlikely. From the link in the OP, "a car came towards him at speed on the wrong side of a narrow country lane. The car's wing mirror clipped him and he was launched from the bike into a hedge, he said." Assuming that to be the case, she was far enough over the [i]right-hand side of the road[/i] to hit a cyclist.
As an aside, googling their names give this nice, balanced report from [url= http://www.mirror.co.uk/opinion/news-opinion/cyclists-motorists-how-gent-toby-1911270 ]The Mirror[/url] as the first hit.
Their stories are inconsistent.
I think if I'd been knocked twenty feet through a hedge I might be a bit inconsistent as well.
so your defence is you dont believe a word she says so her admission is of no use....it might just work in court that one.
Has he said he hit her then ?
Has he said it was his fault?
Now why would anyone think you were trolling - as i said you can argue it but most objective folk will not agree
I shall leave you to murder the point to death
so your defence is you dont believe a word she says so her admission is of no use....it might just work in court that one.
No.
My point is I don't believe what either of them said.
I thought I was pretty clear on that.