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Has anybody bought just a frame on this??
It's all I'd really like, but could possibly have it built up to something rideable with cheap parts, then do the swap when I get it.
What do you reckon?
depends on the bike shop
depends on the bike shop
and your appetite for fraud
not according to the government guidelines. a complete bike must form part of the scheme. OFT and HMRC are starting to take this more seriously, so be careful.
what's fraudulent about that? if he's allowed to buy just the frame he will. if it has to be a whole bike he will... no deception going on, just making the most of the scheme to suit his needs, surely?
what's fraudulent about that?
Nowt if he buys a whole bike. If he buys a frame only then he will have to lie on the voucher - and that would be fraudulent.
Yep it depends on the bike shop to a large extent.
It's not fraudlent to just get the frame (well thats what the scheme provider advised me when i set it up for our company) as there is nothing in the rules that say the bike has to be an 'off the peg' bike so if you were getting a custom build done then you would be buying just the frame all be it with other bits as well. I bought frame, forks, headset, bb & crank plus seat post when i did mine as i had all the other bits off of my old bike.
There is very little policing of the scheme from what i can tell.
wot geoff said
geoffj - Memberwhat's fraudulent about that?
Nowt if he buys a whole bike. If he buys a frame only then he will have to lie on the voucher - and that would be fraudulent.
The form doesn't ask anywhere if its a whole bike or not just asks you to state the make and model so you just put the make and model of the frame you are buying when completing the paperwork.
i will be buying a frame/fork and getting all the bits from one of my existing bikes swapped over.
Nothing in the rules that prohibit that, the LBS will supply me with a complete bike when i go to pick it up.
From: [url= http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/sustainable/cycling/cycletoworkschemeimplementat5732?page=1#a1000 ]DfT Website[/url]
[i]2) What equipment is included under the tax exemption?
Eligible equipment includes cycles and cyclists' safety equipment. The tax exemption defines a "cycle" as 'a bicycle, a tricycle, or a cycle having four or more wheels, not being in any case a motor vehicle' (192(1) of the Road Traffic Act 1988 (c.52)). An electrically assisted pedal cycle can be included under the scheme.[/i]
Depends on the definition of cycle or bicycle, but last time I looked it included wheels.
the scheme does state that it is for complete bikes i.e. a complete, ready to go bike must be supplied. This is mainly because the scheme is intended mainly to attract people who wouldn't normally ride, and therefore bikes need to be supplied in a safe state having been assembled by a bike shop, or for mail order, supplied with instructions for final assembly (pedals, handlebars, tyres etc).
Nothing in the rules that prohibit that, the LBS will supply me with a complete bike when i go to pick it up.
So presumably you are donating the wheels and other bits to your employer which they are then leasing back to you?
I believe it's called a "custom build" 😉
Could you not buy a cheap bike and have the frame as an accessory? then sell the cheap bike to fund bits for the frame? surely that's not 'breaking the rules'?
Could you not buy a cheap bike and have the frame as an accessory? then sell the cheap bike to fund bits for the frame? surely that's not 'breaking the rules'?
Not really
[i]Cyclists' safety equipment is not similarly defined in the legislation and a common sense approach should be taken to the equipment provided. This could include:
* Cycle helmets which conform to European standard EN 1078
* Bells and bulb horns
* Lights, including dynamo packs
* Mirrors and mudguards to ensure riders visibility is not impaired
* Cycle clips and dress guards
* Panniers, luggage carriers and straps to allow luggage to be safely carried
* Locks and chains to ensure cycle can be safely secured
* Pumps, puncture repair kits, cycle tool kits and tyre sealant to allow for minor repairs
* Reflective clothing along with white front reflectors and spoke reflectors
[b]It is the employer's choice what safety equipment is offered, but you may wish to confirm with your local tax inspector whether the equipment you provide falls within the tax exemption.[/i][/b]
So presumably you are donating the wheels and other bits to your employer which they are then leasing back to you?
no, if asked i am donating them to the lbs who will in turn donate them back to me as part of the overall build
no, if asked i am donating them to the lbs who will in turn donate them back to me as part of the overall build
Except the LBS is not sellng / donating the bike to you. They are selling it to your employer who you then lease it from.
You will probably be OK, but don't kid yourself that what you are doing is within the rules.
yes dad 🙂
😆
Ok, so if I don't get a frame - what bike do I get?
Light racey hardtail?
Better commuter e.g. roadrat?
Don't even think about suggesting singlespeed.
Yep custom build... I now people who have had Hope Vision 4's on the scheme... they were Custom build apparantly