[Closed] Cotic Rocket frame, what's it worth?

Deeply unfashionable wheel size, so £5.50?

Or £6.50 😆

Oi, find your own thinly veiled sales thread!

😉

Find someone still on the waiting list?

If it's in good nick, 6-700 quid?.

Oi, find your own thinly veiled sales thread!

29p then (did you see what I did there)

You'll get so little that you may as well give it away. I'll relieve you of it if it's becoming a burden.

Just looked at old for sale posts. Last one have been up for between £750-900 but none in large.

If I had the money lying around I would come and get it from you right now. I test rode one not long after release, started saving, and then all the badness happened. That one day in the Peak District was awesome and I'd love one but I'm not ready to throw money at £6.50B yet.

I'd stab a guess at £500, might get more - but not much more.

I think £650 is achievable given how few ended up existing compared with demand. I still want one, but having just bought a frame I'm sadly all out of cash.

Can you ghetto fit 650b wheels in?

Sadly unless someone is desperate for one it'll have to be a good price i.e 500.

I sold my Kashima Butcher for £285 which at the very least is as good as a Rocket.

26'er will be around for another year but I bet it'll be gone fairly rapidly after that.

If you can ghetto in 650b's I'd go to £650-700 pricewise

Can you fit 650b wheels in?

No.

I sold my Kashima Butcher for £285 which at the very least is as good as a Rocket.

Based on what?.

26'er will be around for another year but I bet it'll be gone fairly rapidly after that

Will all 26inch bikes self destruct?

You really do talk shite at times.

Sadly unless someone is desperate for one it'll have to be a good price i.e 500.

Given how much demand there was I'd say there'd be a good chance of a sale at the higher end of the market. Stick it on ebay and see how it does.

Considering it was well ahead of the curve in terms of geometry and bang on with linkage progression it's still a damn good bike (unlike the short, tall, steep & heavy old Butcher). Only weakness is that its more of a 3x or 2x design unless you're happy flicking a shock lever to control pedal bob.

If it was a medium i'd have bitten you hand off.Can put it on a boil wash for me.. 😉

Tall and steep?! The Butcher was a gem. I wouldnt pay twice what I sold mine for another 26'er frame.

I would have thought you'd get the higher end of suggestions above so £650.

Tall and steep?! The Butcher was a gem.

Whether it was a gem or not has no bearing on the facts:

http://www.santacruzbikes.co.uk/geometry/2011/butcher.asp

http://www.cotic.co.uk/product/rocket26#sizing

The best bike that I ever rode was steeper.

Going by a collection of numbers tells you nothing.

Talk shite? Sorry how many manufacturers are producing 26'er products going forward? It all points one way doesnt it. That you havent woken up.

Wake up Daisy. I'm right.

going forward

You cock womble

Go and cry elsewhere. You can lash out like a teenager but its gone.

I never said they would still be making 26 inch bikes, that would be foolish, but there will still be a lots of folks with the kit for a rocket.

The best bike that I ever rode was steeper.

Then why have you bought one that is even slacker than the Rocket? And if you're just looking at head angle, you're missing the point anyway...

You are the one that made the comment about the Butcher being steep. Have you forgotten?

I also refer you to my comment about it being more than a collection of numbers.

If it was 650b'able it'd increase the OPs sale price.

[i]I never said they would still be making 26 inch bikes, that would be foolish, but there will still be a lots of folks with the kit for a rocket. [/i]

Agree, but they won't be paying top dollar for anything.

Agree, but they won't be paying top dollar for anything.

Hence why I said 6-700, if you read my post.

cgg - don't waste your time, he always makes mental rash statements such as 'buying new bikes is a mugs game'. Then goes and buys a couple of new bikes.

Again, its a immature lashout typical of stw. I buy a new highly rated 650b frame thats a couple hundred more and includes a BOS shock and thats rash? I'd suggest anyone looking for a new frame thats future proof ignores the OPs ad and instead buy a V4.

That is surely wise.

26'er will be around for another year but I bet it'll be gone fairly rapidly after that.

Hora didn't you slate the five spot as it was to steep ?

Yet here you are saying the best bike you ever rode was steeper than a butcher ?

You really are odd some times.

Going back to the OP: I'd advertise it starting high and work your way down until either it sells or it's less than you'd be happy with.

This was ten months ago: http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/fs-cotic-rocket-large-black

On the one hand it's a 26er, but on the other it's a very highly rated 26er of which very few were made. I reckon you should get a decent price.

Nobeerinthefridge, you're quite right! But foolishly I shall persevere...

Hora, I said the Butcher was tall, short and steep. I didn't just say it was steep. If it was low and long then it wouldn't matter so much that it was steep. It's (not very) simple physics. Long & low & slack bikes are the most stable and that's what's become popular for anything downhill oriented (140mm+ travel). The Rocket is like that.

Anyone wanting to put 27.5 wheels on any old 26 frame to 'future proof' it is an idiot - it works well for some frames but it requires a very low BB height (about 0mm BB drop unsagged), a ton of tyre clearance, low stack height and a steep seat angle (or shorter travel forks). The list of frames like that is very short...

Hora didn't you slate the five spot as it was to steep ?

Renton you stumble through frames without coherence.

I slated the old fivespot, the next years fivespot (44 headtube) was a different frame- the changes were subtle allover but the overall made it abetter frame. Again its more than a collection of numbers. Its how each is put to the other etc isn't it.

In general Santa Cruz know what they are doing with their frames/recipe.

Why are people idiots who want to try and keep their 26'er frame by running 650b wheels?

Because the bike was designed for 26 wheels and it works best that way? I am keeping all my 26 bikes with 26 inch wheels.

I sold mine 18 months ago, so a different market really as 26inch bikes were still one of the current standards as far as the marketeers were concerned 😉 Sold as a whole bike, but I calculated the frame value at about £700. Sold the bike for what I wanted, lots of demand as you couldn't get them anymore.

If someone wants a Large, I'm sure you'll get top money for it. It's a great frame.

Its all very well future proofing, but a new V4 frame will also depreciate like a stone over the next 12 months.

Because the bike was designed for 26 wheels and it works best that way? I am keeping all my 26 bikes with 26 inch wheels.

TBH some bike designers seem to struggle with even that. Ever ridden a 26'er and thought it was gash/wasn't right?

Playing with offsets etc helps as well. I don't think a sweeping statement that no 26'ers work as 650 conversions.

Renton you stumble through frames without coherence.

Why are people idiots who want to try and keep their 26'er frame by running 650b wheels?

hora - Member

I don't think a sweeping statement that no 26'ers work as 650 conversions.

He didn't say that!

Pulls up chair and puts kettle on....

and it rubbed the front mech 'bit'

So if you ran 1x10 you'd be fine? It'd raise the Rockets price because people would KNOW they can dabble/have the option one day if they wanted to run 650b too. Just knowing that means you'd pay a bit more. True?

Northwind....he said the list of these frames is very short. I siezed on 'very'.

If the Rocket can accommodate 650b I'd say its easy worth £700. This answers the OP's question IMO (as well as including some arguing within his veiled for sale topic). you know the unwritten rule- you post a 'whats it worth' thread and its open-season 😉

My frame will depreciate? True- but its being used and I know I can use both wheel sizes in it. 😀

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hora - Member

Northwind....he said the list of these frames is very short. I siezed on 'very'.

Well, actually you seized on "none".

it won't depreciate, cos it'll snap.

You can bodge 27.5 wheels into loads of 26 frames. The list of 26 bikes that are IMPROVED (or at least made no less good) by switching to 27.5 wheels is very short.

If you can't see the downsides of raising the BB, slackening both head and seat angles (or losing front travel) and thus raising stack and shortening reach and losing clearance for properly big tyres (or decent mud clearance for smaller tyres), by forcing in some bigger wheels purely so you think you're "future proofed" then I can't help you.

i like your garden

If I had a garden like that I wouldn't be slumming it with an old KS dropper...

In general Santa Cruz know what they are doing with their frames/recipe.

The ones I've tried have been bang average.

Don't know what the Rocket will be worth but as a guide a 26" Orange 5 frame that would have sold for £700/800 18 months ago seems to struggle to make much more then £500 now.

Even though the Rocket was in demand when available is it really now? It's been that long that I'd have thought most people would have found a new muse by now.

it won't depreciate, cos it'll snap.

Many manufacturers had frames from 6yrs ago snapping or cracking..not just commy's.

FTFY

Saying that.....the V4 has a wee bit of flex built into the rear to help with ride characteristics.... this may comeback to bite them one day.

It's Cotic's that snapped.

I wouldn't pay much for a Rocket, it's 26" and from a manufacturer with a poor reputation for full sus frames. But end of the day there may be some mug willing to pay £600+ for it.

Saying that.....the V4 has a wee bit of flex built into the rear to help with ride characteristics.... this may comeback to bite them one day.

Aaarghhhhhhhhhh...

It's Cotic's that snapped.

Say wha' Willis?

I wouldn't pay much for a Rocket, it's 26" and from a manufacturer with a poor reputation for full sus frames. But end of the day there may be some mug willing to pay £600+ for it.

You'll have to enlighten us on that gem. Never heard a bad word about hemlocks, despite them being rather marmite in the looks department, and the rocket got rave reviews, then Cy was rather unfortunate with his attempts at moving production to the UK for the rocket. I was one who was waiting for one, so fairly well versed in the whole sorry affair.

There's a few things that could be levelled at cotic, but no way is poor reputation for building bikes one of them.

Never heard a bad word about hemlocks

I know of several that snapped.

when was the last time a meta snapped? The v3's seemed bomb proof.

jam bo - Member

I know of several that snapped.

I know of one that snapped several times 😆 Buut, they did revise it to fix all the issues, supported owners superbly, and the bike (when not broken) was fantastic. Commencal's issue wasn't just that they had a load of models that broke, it's also that they didn't really support customers when they broke- long long waits to get a replacement of the exact same part.

But both ancient history tbh