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Hi,
I'm looking for a frame for commuting and tame but long offroad rides (e.g. the complete sdw) to supplement a Ragley mmmBop that is currently doing all duties.
I'd really like it to be 29" with no toe-overlap but I'm not that tall (5'7"). I understand the smallest Singular Gryphon doesn't have toe overlap and has an ETT of 566.2mm. The small long Cotic Roadrat avoids toe overlap as well and has an ETT of 577mm, but also isn't dropbar specific. (I realise there's a lot more to fit than just ETT)
The Cotic site implies that toe overlap wasn't a design concern on the 'short' drop-bar Roadrat models, so I'm guessing that the small short model has toe overlap. But can anyone tell me if the medium short model (ETT 560mm) has toe overlap or not, or perhaps only with tyres above a certain size?
Other frame suggestions would be great! My requirements are singlespeed commuting but with the option of 2x10 for the long rides, and at least room for 42mm tyres.
Cheers,
Andy
If you dont get an answer drop cy a line at cotic, he has always answered my cotic related questions. roadrat is great fun and id recommend it as a second very useful bike.
What is this fascination with toe overlap? Thousands of folk have been riding around for years and years and never had this problem.
No experience of Cotic but as I am 5'7" with short legs I will tell you what I've tried.
I had a Planet X Kaffenbak in the small size and it had a fair bit of toe overlap, so much that I came off my bike in a busy street once. Not nice.
My 52cm Specialized Tricross Sport has no (or so little it hasn't been an issue) overlap even with full SKS guards. Ace bike too. Hope this helps.
Personally I wouldn't have a bike with toe overlap again after my experiences with the Kaffenbak. Not worth compromising with in my opinion.
Like druidh says what's the problem? I get very slight overlap on my small Peregrine but only at very low speed and after a couple of ride I learnt to deal with it. Choose the right frame and adapt.
Many thanks for the replies. I agree alot of people won't have a problem with toe-overlap, but alot of people don't have a problem with spd's in London either and I very much do, so I'm inclined to go with robdob on this one and treat it very much as safety-first. Also, I may well find myself in singletrack situation with the bike and don't want to compromise on toe overlap. The problem I have is that I'm also very keen on using dirt-drops for this application, as I could probably easily find a 29er flat bar bike in my size without toe-overlap!
drofluf: the [url= http://www.flickr.com/photos/singularcycles/4519274470/in/set-72157623849221644/ ]diagram[/url] for the new version of the small Peregrine shows just how tight toe-overlap is, so assuming it hasn't changed (or you have the new version) I guess you get some dependant on foot size and position.
I'm slightly leaning towards the Road Rat atm simply because I want this to be a cheapish bike for use in London and am more likely to find a Roadrat frame second hand. And I also think the Roadrat is lighter.
I ride a med short road rat for commuting, there is a bit of overlap with full mudguards, but none without. Never really seen it as an issue really.
Surely toe overlap is also a factor of how you place the cleats on your shoes, as well as what size feet you have and cannot be determined from a frames spec sheet? I have toe overlap on my cross check, but I have size 46 feet with the cleats all the way back in the slots. Someone with size 8s would be fine.
Sure, but I'd like to get some idea so I won't be too far wrong with my first frame purchase.
Thanks for the info, theboatman, looks like there might be a bit of toe overlap on the med short roadrat if I put the chunkiest tyres on. I might still give it a punt though, because it might not bother me or, in anycase, I have small feet which are positioned fairly far back.