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Me,@kryton57 , @davros all think you should get an Orbea Occam
He’ll be able to have a got on mine in a month or so :D. seriously though for what Weeksy does it’s probably a Rallon he wants, but if it rides like a bigger version of the Occam it could be great for him - trail taught going up, compact and balanced, opens up and swallows tech on the way down.
He’ll be able to have a got on mine in a month or so
I'll have bought and sold 3 by then
Just on that Saracen ariel 60 mentioned on the previous page - the reach on the large is the same as the Aether 7 you had I think - the geometry on those is quite extreme. And it’s probably superboost rear if it’s like the Ariel 30 as I was considering one of those when I bought my Sentinel.
That privateer 161 looks good though.
Another thing to bear in mind - if you’re not a bendy young person and/or a super confident rider, you will need tall riser bars to feel comfortable on most longer reach bikes. And if you want a bike that’s good at going fast and keeping you safe, long reach helps a lot.
Had this offered today.. 2019 Slash
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/325381466000
Right idea, but a little lacking with 160/150 and a 65.5 head it doesn't really give me anything over the Fuel.
Also this in a swap
https://m.pinkbike.com/buysell/3460784/
Rallon, XL. Which ticks many boxes, even the XL aspect is only 10mm longer than mine
If nothing else, I'm finding it interesting what people want to trade from/to.
I have to admit, the Slayer you lot think is too small is still tempting me lots. If it was closer to me anyway
“Rallon, XL. Which ticks many boxes, even the XL aspect is only 10mm longer than mine”
That looks good! Seat tube length may be an issue though. How tall are you? Leg length?
That looks good!
Call me crazy, but I told the guy not to do it. Looking at his history he's bought and sold 2 Large bikes because they were small, as well as 3-4 XLs for various reasons. I think it'd be too small and he then confirmed that he thought his Rallon was a bit small for him. But the Trek is smaller than the Rallon. Lol.
I've kinda given up at the moment, the Trek is on eBay and pinkbike and I'll see if anything comes up in the next few days, if not, it's pretty likely I'll be on my Trek at FoD and Rogate later in the week.
“How tall are you? Leg length?”
And the answers to this are?
6'0
32-33" ish
So I’d say the reach and stack on that Orbea XL would be good for you but the tall seat tube will mean you can’t fit a long dropper (probably only 150mm).
I’m a bit shorter with longer legs and find ~450-470mm reach works well for me but if I had shorter legs I’d want more reach, ditto if I was taller (obviously). But if the front is too low then reach will feel too long even when it isn’t.
Have you tried DH tyres on the Trek for gnarlier trails?
I'm maybe an inch taller than weeksy, and I'd be on an XL rallon fir sure, have ridden the L and find it small (and steep, but you don't want LLS)
Have you tried DH tyres on the Trek for gnarlier trails?
I normally run an Assegai front and a DHR rear, so not exactly xc but to answer your question, no.
In truth I'm not sure how many actual days I'd need 'bigger' than the Fuel. Plus the fact that I'm arguably not going to get down some of them on anything, lol.
Maybe as usual I'm just over thinking things. But that wouldn't be a shock now would it.
I have a Morph FS Mullet 140F/140R travel bike and there is not much I wouldn't take it down up up here. The agility and easy speed. 90% of the time will take it over my bigger bikes (Titan, Slash)
The fuel may be the perfect bike for down there. How does that rear shock hold up when it is rough?
You ever thought about a Remedy?
I don't think a Remedy gives much over the Fuel really? Same as that 19 Slash, it's not that much slacker or longer.
Thoughts were that bigger really means BIGGER in this context.
My lads mate has one in an ml and it's a tiny thing, which is a bit strange as I wouldn't expect it to be.
The fuel may be the perfect bike for down there
For what I ride 90% of my rides, the fuel is ace yes. I'd even argue that Southern Enduro it'd be sweet, but on the times I really want more, I really really want more. That's why I was thinking of the bigger GT Fury. For £1500 it's not like I'd need to justify it by using weekly, it'd also be the boys bike if he keeps growing and a perfect spare bike as it's the same as the race bike. I get that a DH bike is focused, but it's not like I'd be trying to ride it on xc
Is the Remedy a bit stronger? Take a bit more of a beating?
And if you want a bike that’s good at going fast and keeping you safe, long reach helps a lot
True on big fast trails and alpine stuff, not so true on Enduro tracks in the South, where long flat out sections are more likely to be interspersed with switchbacks and flat turns to save altitude.
(In my opinion anyway)
Remedy doesn’t offer much over the fuel in my opinion. It’s a long travel trail bike - not enduro at all really.
The DH literally is a one trick pony - you’re not even riding that at enduro races.
I think your thoughts are in the right place on longer travel as an extra buffer when you’re out of your comfort zone. You want slack but not so much the long.
The money you’d pay on that Fury would almost buy you a brand new frame that does what you want - an extra £500-£700 and you could pick up a brand new alloy Transition Spire or Nukeproof Mega 290 frameset.
Then sell the Fuel frame to make your extra cash back + some more.
The Spire would be absolutely epic for your needs.
If you buy the bits and drop it off with me I’ll even build it for you.
Your wheels will fit, a screw in bsa DUB bb will fit your cranks and I think your current frame is a 31.6mm seatpost the same as the spire.
I’d have to lookup changing travel on your 36 as I’ve never worked on a fox fork.
Edit - I think this is the part to go to 170mm on your 36 - but would want to check your fork serial number to make sure it’s ok to extend (long enough stanchions / damper is ok)
https://www.bike24.com/p2331058.html
If you buy the bits and drop it off with me I’ll even build it for you
That's very kind but not needed man, I like a bit of spannering
Mega 290 FTW!
Large Spire frameset here:
https://brink.uk/transition-spire-alloy-frame-2022
Large Patrol frameset here (if you’d prefer mullet)
Large Mega 290 frameset here:
Lol I'm not a rich as you think.
Putting £2300 in and getting a frame simply isn't on the cards mate
Putting £2300 in and getting a frame simply isn’t on the cards mate
You sell the fuel frame separately, what's it worth ? £800 to a Grand?
Hmmm maybe, if someone wants it, I'd say £700, then I'm £1500 in still and bugger knows if I'd even like it.
I'm not trying to be completely obtuse, I just currently don't know what the right or wrong answer is.
I need to just walk away from the internet for a few days.
Just had a message from the guy with the Torque which started all this to see if I want to do a deal.
It's a 2021 CF7, but is a medium, which brings us into the "is that too small" again.
And me turning the internet off 😃
That’s the one that’s not a swap for the Trek though. It’s for one of the Fury’s then some other complicated chain…..
Hang on - that’s got an even shorter reach than the slayer - 440mm? Although it’s longer ett as it has a 74 degree seat angle. Probably a higher front end as at least it has a sensible length 125mm head tube.
Looking at it, the geometry is very very similar to my play hardtail.
Hang on – that’s got an even shorter reach than the slayer – 440mm?
I know, that's why I've told him no.
“It’s a 2021 CF7, but is a medium, which brings us into the “is that too small” again.”
I’d forget the sizes and look at the hypotenuse of reach and stack - that’s the only reliable way of comparing sizes between bikes focused on riding downhill (ie standing up), especially when you’re looking at different wheel sizes and fork travel. It’s 772mm on your Trek. If you want a bike that goes faster safely downhill then I’d be very cautious about going much shorter than that (especially as in conventional sizing 6’ tall is large, sometimes XL sizing).
I'm afraid even with your picture I still couldn't work out if it meant the RM Slayer would fit right lol.
After sitting on the Purple GT last night and riding it seated and standing I'm still pretty sure it's spot on. Sure it wouldn't be an xc whippet, but I wouldn't be asking it to be.
It would be more winch and plummet kind of bike.
That's why despite thoughts I still like the Slayer.
At the moment it's that or the other GT. The only worry with that is having way way too many bikes in the garage.
If the Slayer wasn't 4.5 hours away or if the bloke had been able to meet today, I'd already have bought it.
Can we have the algebra to work that out please? GCSE maths was a long time ago……
He did pretty pictures! But I'm still not sure.
They were appreciated though.
“Can we have the algebra to work that out please? GCSE maths was a long time ago……”
Ha! I thought everyone here was an engineer… 😉
It’s the square root of ((reach squared) plus (stack squared)).
Here’s an online calculator: https://miniwebtool.com/hypotenuse-calculator/
The more steeply a bike is pointing downhill, the more the stack turns into reach (that’s why downhill bikes aren’t as long in reach on the flat but have lots of stack height).
Well the potential deals are pretty much dried up currently. The Torque was binned, the Occam was too, none of the Slash's came to fruition, so there's really only 3 possibles on the table at the moment.
I did speak to the guy with the Privateer 161 frame but he won't drop from the asking price of £1189
https://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/3467138/
But i'll be the first to admit, i've very much 'peaked' at the moment. I just want a fun deal that makes me think "yeah that works".
The Fuel is still listed at a price of £2750 with best offer.. but even with watchers, i've not got any interest. Wrong time of year, wrong bike for some... but interest is low either way.
1. the Slayer.. As you know i still like this... But it comes to £1200 to swap by the time we either courier/drive (and 9+ hours driving)
2. this Santa Cruz Megatower @ £1000 swap https://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/3421633/
3. Keep the Trek (which may not be long or short term, who knows )
Hang on - you’ll do a slayer swap for a bike a bit small with £1200 in. But you won’t pay £1189 for that privateer frame?
Surely you pay that, then hopefully recoup a chunk from selling the fuel frame - even if only £700 you mention a few posts back then it’s only cost you £489 plus the travel change on your 36?
Mega tower looks ok - assuming the geometry is ok on the large as it’s a relatively recent bike - more expensive but nice.
Get the Megatower, ignore what I said about the dh bike and buy the megatower.
Hang on – you’ll do a slayer swap for a bike a bit small with £1200 in. But you won’t pay £1189 for that privateer frame? What?
That's different as you get a whole bike though, so it's new wheels, bearings, forks, chain, cassette, so a different thing really. Maybe it's a weird logic, but i see swapping a frame differently to swapping a bike in this context in terms of what i'd be happy putting in.
I've done enough bike builds to know that buying a frame is just the start of it, it's the little things that then go in the mix too, the headset, the BB, compatibility with ABC and XYZ.... It'd start at £1189 but then sneak up to something more and more.... The Privateer then wouldn't come with warranty, whereas the Slayer of course would. (the Megatower wouldn't of course)
I messaged a guy about a Specialized Status in size S4.... thought it had potential.
He had it up for £1750.... so a decent price.
I said i'd go for it but wanted £700 in to make up the difference
"yeah i'd be tempted if you're happy putting £700 in..."
Oh... how i laughed and laughed.
Yeah but that’s a stumpie evo carbon above - which cost a lot more new than the status.
The guy with the status was taking the mick though from what you’ve said - your fuel cost more / should be worth more than a status in similar condition. Maybe he was a part time trader though - in which case he was looking to make money on each trade rather than just in it for a change of bike.
That’s the problem you’ve got with trying to do bike swaps though I guess.
That’s the problem you’ve got with trying to do bike swaps though I guess.
Until someone offers me cash... there's not a lot of option. It's listed at a reasonable price with offers allowed.. I can't do much more.
I can see the Trek being out at FoD and Rogate.
Which isn't necessarily a bad thing by the way... It's a cracking bike... but i was kinda hoping to get something done.
Check your pm's
Mega tower looks ok – assuming the geometry is ok on the large as it’s a relatively recent bike – more expensive but nice.
It's a large so will size OK for a six footer (I'm 5.10 and on a large V2 which got a touch longer and slacker, but not much). I suspect the reach will be similar to the Trek. Looks like a standard R spec with an upgrade to Lyrik Ultimates from the Yari (which is good) and a coil shock.
Reach is 470 on the Tower, 475 on the Trek... so yeah would work. I don't think i'd like to go longer than the Trek.. shorter though i don't mind.
However he's now gone radio silent from fairly chatty last night, so i'm not further on.
He might have an actual real life job where he's not just sat in front of a computer all day??
He might have an actual real life job where he’s not just sat in front of a computer all day??
It's a concept... not one i ever fancy trying myself though 🙂
🤣
Just to mix it up a bit I think you should buy a Bird Aries9 in the Blurple colour. If I then ever bump into you at Fod or Rogate I can try it for size and buy it off you when you move on 🙂
Nothing selfish about my suggestion, just being practical. Also, wasn't there a bloke on here years ago that swapped bikes every 5 mins? I think you are after his mantle, think his name was Hora? Something like that anyway.
lol 9 months man... 9 months.
I can promise you this.... it won't be a Bird.
At the moment, i can't see it being anything. Either my bike is hated by everyone, or i am 🙂 Either way, comms are not what they should be on ANY potential deal. The weekend went crazy.. I had 5-6 different 'options' but they all fell through for various reasons
The only one i think could still fly is the Slayer... but damn it's a drive... it does tick a LOT of boxes... but arguably no more or less than say a G-180 which i could get for less money.
I can promise you this…. it won’t be a Bird.
Ooooh interesting and potentially controversial stance here. Come on then, out with it.
I would recommend a ragley for the tame riding down there.
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Ooooh interesting and potentially controversial stance here
Not really man, i bought an Aether7 and didn't quite get on with it... So i wouldn't buy another as they're off a smiliar LLS
Have you ever thought about holding on to the Trek for a little bit and waiting for something that you actually want to become available rather than rushing to swap something now? You like the Trek but want something with longer travel so it’s not like you’d be stuck with no bike or one you hate.
Spend the winter on that and keep your eyes open until the you see what you like. Pick the right bike not ‘right now’ bike.
Good luck. I still have 3 more before NY in the ‘how many more will Weeksy buy in 2022?’ Sweepstake 😜
Have you ever thought about holding on to the Trek for a little bit and waiting for something that you actually want to become available rather than rushing to swap something now? You like the Trek but want something with longer travel so it’s not like you’d be stuck with no bike or one you hate.
Spend the winter on that and keep your eyes open until the you see what you like. Pick the right bike not ‘right now’ bike.
TBH that's pretty much where we are i think yeah. I can easily make the blue spare DH bike into a bike sprung well enough for me, if we find somewhere short term we want to play that i cannot easily ride. So i reckon the Trek will stay, the 2 DH bikes will stay and we'll just get on with having fun as always.
It's a bit of an anti-climax i know to the thread.... but I'm not just going to swap to something for the sake of it.. It had to at least have a decent chance of being 'right' otherwise it was daft, that's in essence why i knocked back 4-5 deals i could have easily made, but none of them were 'right'
I did feel the RM Slayer was 'right' but TBH i can't face a 9 hour round trip... I also felt the MEgatower was potentially right in the ball park too. But i'm not sure either give me much that the Trek/Fury combo doesn't give.
On the aether 7 I’d bet money the only reason you didn’t like it was because you bought the large which has a massive reach - and you prefer bikes shorter.
If you’d gone ML size I think you’d have got on fine with it. There’s nothing unusual about the aether other than that really - it’s a 4 bar suspension system, maybe slightly short chainstays (425mm) but everything else is not much different to anything else you’ve had.
On the aether 7 I’d bet money the only reason you didn’t like it was because you bought the large which has a massive reach
We'll never know the answer to that
That mega tower actually looked alright to me if the guy came back to you. As long as it didn’t cost you too much that is. You’ll lose some pop but gain some monster truck through rough stuff.
If you’d gone ML size I think you’d have got on fine with it
I hope so because I've just bought one 😬
I hope so because I’ve just bought one
I'll swap you for the Trek you should've bought next week 😀 😀 😀
I'll swap you a repaired Whyte T130 frame for it 😀
@phil5556 how tall are you?
I’m 5’9 and I know people my size / slightly shorter that got on with the ML Aeris 145 I struggled on. I was happier on the medium Aether 7 - but I’ve got longer legs / shorter torso / arms for my height. My current bike is a medium Sentinel which is ever so slightly shorter than the Aether and I love this bike too.
I found Bird bikes really decent for the money and if they’d been in stock at the end of December I’d be on either an Aether 9c or 9a in medium. But they weren’t.
I’m 5’11”
And didn’t buy the L on your advice 👍
I’m hoping the ML will work, it’s 20mm longer than the Whyte and I had started feeling that the Whyte was a bit short.
I’d really wanted to demo one but wasn’t going to be able to sort it out.
(Someone was selling one locally but I upset him with a low offer so he stopped talking to me 🤣)
The only one i think could still fly is the Slayer… but damn it’s a drive… it does tick a LOT of boxes… but arguably no more or less than say a G-180 which i could get for less money.
The Slayer does also tick the box of being OK to look at, I can't see how you won't consider a Geometron on looks but will happily own a Whyte 🙂
Dunno man, I can't work out how the wife married me, I'm more Whyte than the Whyte. But someone somewhere loves everyone
I can’t see how anyone with eyes can buy the Whyte G180
I’m more Whyte than the Whyte
Imagines Weeksy with a hunchback.
And a big bend in the middle
Well I need a plan now as I've just booked Dyfi!
I'm scared !
It's not that bad..........
In the dry.
It’s not that bad……….
In the dry.
What day is that next year?
If you’re comfortable on the spare Fury then take that?
Imagines Weeksy with a hunchback.
You've not met Weeksy, then?
🙂
https://singletrackmag.com/classifieds/advert/2020-saracen-ariel-elite-upgraded-enduro-27-5-large/
Tsk, the link doesn't work - but anyway its an upgraded Ariel Elite Enduro in the classifieds, looks nice.
Surrey Hills Cycleworks in Leatherhead are selling a 4-ride old, Whyte G-180 RS in medium,with a 27.5" and a 29" front wheel, for £2,500. £1k off
Check their Insta story for a few pictures and the advert itself.
Hi weeksy. Can you pm me a link to your trek listing and dare I say it... your best price.
I'm trying to get my mate to splash for an occam but he's pleading penniary ( sp)
He's a trek fanboi so may bite.
Done fella.
I don't think I'm asking crazy money considering its condition and it's initial price. But whether it's a bad market or just a bike that's not popular this week, I'm not sure.
If he's interested, you know how to get me
But whether it’s a bad market or just a bike that’s not popular this week
I think second hand Bike sales are slow at the moment, I’ve been looking and there are quite a few bikes that have seemingly been for sale for weeks.
I’m trying to get my mate to splash for an occam but he’s pleading penniary ( sp)
Not trying to take away from Weeksy’s sale but Sigma seem to have a lot of stock in their alu Occam sale which is now down to £2625 for an SLX H20 LT.
Just looking round on Ebay and Pinkbike, people are having to slash lots and lots off their prices and still not selling them
https://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/3381486/
This for example,
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Ohlins TTX 180-90mm travel forks cost only £1,300,
Rockshox Delux 170mm travel Rear Shock,
Hope Tech 3 lever brakes & Hope evo 4 calipres & Hope Rottors,
Hope pro 4 hubs sat on stain wheels with schewalbe tyres,
Hope Carbon wide bar,
Ks Dropper seat post,
Sram gears and cog 11 speed with Hope cassette,
Hope flat pedals
I mean that's a cracking spec... £2150 , so realistically they'd take £2000... maybe even £1900 for it. It's been up for sale since JULY ! THat's just one of them i like.
That Slayer was first listed at £4200 as an ex-display, never ridden, then £3500, now £3000 and he's still got it.
https://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/3344228/
Of course, some bikes are still selling... but i think they're specific bikes. Arguable ones with little electric motors attached to them.
Not really sure the Trek is going to fly out, so it looks like it'll be getting muddy today.
Heck, i even put an offer of £1600 in for the green large Fury.. Last Sat in chats we had "OK, if you can do £1600 it's yours and we'll meet at XYZ"... So i offer £1600 and he goes completely silent lol. It's not like i wanted a trade, i was buying cash...
Not trying to take away from Weeksy’s sale
No advert of mine in this thread matey, just random discussions...
FWIW, that Orbea is exactly why the Trek isn't selling. Some aspects of that build are great for the money. Obviously it's not carbon etc, but it's cracking value for a new bike that's for sure.
I came here to say - why not a Commencal? 🙂 seeing as they seem to win [i]everything[/i] !
..Except the EWS, which is won by Altitudes rather than Slayers. Paulscycles have great deals on RMs.