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In yer dreams son.
Well come on then, money where yer mouth is. Post up a pic, come on.
Otherwise you're a failmerchant.
I'm a better dancer than you as well.
Article 9 looks like it's talking about multi event competitions such as you find in the Olympics and disqualifying the athlete from that competition e.g. athlete competing in 100m, 200m and 400m fails a test for 100m is disqualified here but can retain anything for the other two events.
Article 10.5.1 could also be applied, after a quick scan, with no sanction. But I'm not a 1,000€/hr lawyer, I leave that to the 1,000€/hr lawyers.
Still doesn't change anything for me, Contador is still racing and not banned until CAS say so.
Spain is still amember of IOC and until they are kicked out, well, they are still members
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elf - I'm better looking than contador
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hasnt this been done once.
Contador is miles better than anyone at the giro anyway. Scarponi / menchov / sastre = has beens. Sastre and menchov only there because not invited to TDF. Nibali is the only class act there and he had a fantastic season last year. However, a poor giro field this year because riders know that this is the best chance they have of winning TDF because Bertie wont be there. Also, riders looking at riding for 2nd at Giro so when Bertie is stripped they they win (albeit they know they werent the best on the road)
He will be banned IMHO and I agree with TJ on this.
Look at how many spaniards have been caught in last 3 years. Its a piss take and the federation were in a lose:lose situation. AC should have taken a 1 year ban (which would probably have been appealed anyway)
Clenbuterol in European beef, that someone collected from Spain for a treat on a rest day that no one else ate in a continent where its banned for food production.(lets not forget his Saiz links , and his links to O Puerto)
Are people really that blinkered on here.People will be claiming Valverde was stitched up next.
AC Did a rather good time trial the other year to beat FABU in TDF yet was pedalling squares in last years TT.
FFS !
TJ - you look like Norman Blake (teenage fanclub)
as you wish DS but I wish you could reach a conclusion ,based on evidence, for your self. The good news is you will soon be agreeing with us.
You bite so easily elf it's not even sport
as you wish DS but I wish you could reach a conclusion ,based on evidence, for your self. The good news is you will soon be agreeing with us.
I'm comfortable with that, the evidence I have is that he's still racing. Unfortunately, while I can accept a ban if and when it appears, I'll have to listen to conspiacy theories for the next X years.
WTF are you on about conspiracy theories? You are the one with the story about love of food and meat with traces of a banned substances in it from an unknown seller with no receipt or traceability. Everyone else just says by the rules he has failed a drug test and should be banned. I fear , even once banned, it is Contadors apologists/fans who will be wittering on still about a conspiracy.
You honestly think that TJ will let it lie?
You bite so easily elf it's not even sport
I'm still a better dance than you though so ner. 😛
Hang on, what's that up there?
WTF.... 😯
...MUMMMY I'M FRIGHTENED!
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(Soils self in sheer terror. Runs off screaming)
Oh I think the point has been made and even you must know having read the WADA code that you are in the wrong. we all know this.
The facts are simple and clear.
Contador failed a drug test.
Under WADA rules he should have been banned
The spanish federation did not ban him in breach of WADA rules.
On appeal to CAS he will be banned.
he is a proven drug cheat.
You honestly think that TJ will let it lie?
he does not when he is wrong so i doubt being proved right will stop him tbh 😆
You did not address anything I said you just asked about TJ
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Junkyard - I am trying to let go when appropriate
the RFEC were satisfied, all legal and above board.
Funniest thing I've heard today, thank you!
albeit they know they werent the best on the road
They'll know they were the best clean rider on the road (assuming they're clean) and that would certainly be good enough for me. Contador in the Giro is just a piss take - everybody (with the possible exception of DS and maybe some of Contador's other friends) knows he's going to get banned and stripped of all his results.
What is this forum coming to? 99 has been dangling there for a good 20 minutes, and even elf hasn't claimed wunundred!
- everybody (with the possible exception of DS and maybe some of Contador's other friends) knows he's going to get banned and stripped of all his results.
What a ridiculous thing to say... Show me where I said he wasn't going to get banned? If you're going make snide comments get your facts right. 🙄
Contador failed a drug test.Under WADA rules he should have been banned
The spanish federation did not ban him in breach of WADA rules.
On appeal to CAS he will be banned.
Agree with all of that, except the third point: the Spanish federation will have taken legal advice and found a potential loophole. Given that the Spanish federation is paid for by the Spanish, it's unsurprising that it cares more about Spanish riders than any international organisation.
Show me where I said he wasn't going to get banned?
This:
He does not get a ban if he can show that there is a reasonable explanation regarding the Clenbuterol in the body, the RFEC were satisfied, all legal and above board. CAS have the right to appeal, and are and if they agree with the story-No ban
implies you don't know he's going to get banned (which is what I actually suggested) - in fact you seem to be suggesting that you think he's not going to get banned. If you do know he's going to be banned, then you know he's guilty, which is totally contrary to everything you've posted.
Or did you just not read my post properly?
You know how the first conditional works, don't you?
EDIT: Just to clarify for those who need it.
He is racing and therefore not banned.
RFEC haven't done anything wrong, they are more intelligent and have more info than the good folks here.
I have only ever said that he his innocent until proven guilty, and at the moment that is the job of CAS not bar room lawyers here.
I will accept the CAS verdict as I will accept the rulings of subsequent appeals.
Questions?
The letter of the Law states a Ban yet the case has yet to be heard, ok the appeal, so he's ok to ride.
Quite simple really.
Shouldn't this be in The Clinic?
Don - he has failed a drug test therefore he is guilty. Its a simple as that.
So why is he still competing?
Because the spanish authorities did not apply WADA rules as I have explained to you. Under WADA rules he must be banned. 🙄
That doesn't make any sense what so ever. According to Wada rules he should be banned but because the RFEC have discoved some way to trick the system he's still riding, because NO athlete has been found guilty then had the verdict overturned, except the exceptions. 🙄 Based on the current info he should be allowed to race until the point that CAS say otherwise, simple. 🙄 ( I can do the rolly thing too to show that I think someone is talking shite... good 'ere innit?)
CAS have the key and their verdict is the one that counts as you or I don't have access to the info neither can say for sure what is going to happen. If you are so sure of you ability to see into the futUre could you give me the numbers for Friday's €uromillones.
And what will happen if the RFEC challenge the WADA rules as being unfair in an attempt to change the rules? As you know this is one of the beauties of a legal system in that a challenge can be made and laws can be changed, no?
Because the spanish authorities did not apply WADA rules as I have explained to you. Under WADA rules he must be banned.
Er, you do realise that the Giro is run in Italy, and not Spain - right? Spanish authorities have no authority in Italy, and if Contador's racing it's because he's allowed to under international rules.
Pedant comment: Spanish, not spanish.
The ultimate authority is going to ban him everyone knows this when obviously you will shut the **** up and accept that they ALL broke the rules
I will resurect the thread then until that point you are welcome to your tenous view of the events.
yours less intelligent with limited facts
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And what will happen if the RFEC challenge the WADA rules as being unfair in an attempt to change the rules
I think elvis will come back to make the decision in RFEC's favour
You think they will challenge this ? really do you?
I will resurect the thread then until that point you are welcome to your tenous view of the events.
yours less intelligent with limited facts
And if he is banned I will accept it as I have said repeatedly and point out your inability to either read, understand or contribute without using insulting comment, the sure sign of a loser... 😀
Guys its really simple. I'll try to explain it. All national sports bodies are supposed to apply WADA rules. An athelete fails a drug test as Contador did under WADA rules he must be banned.
The Spanish authorities chose not to ban Contador in clear breach of the WADA rules despite the failed drug test. Thus he is not banned as no one else has the authority to do so. The Italian authorities did not want him to race but had no authority to stop him. WADA has appealed the Spanish decision to CAS.
So he is guilty of doping as he failed a drug test. He is not banned because the Spanish authorities did not apply the rules. Italian authorities have no ability to ban him. WADA has appealed to CAS to get the correct punishment applied
I'm afraid that TJ is spot on with this... It's a bit like if someone was convicted in court by the jury (WADA) and then the judge (Spanish Federation) decided to actually not sentence him and set him free. It'd be referred to high court(?) (CAS) who would decide on the proper course of action.
CAS seem to give pretty sensible decisions and I expect that Contador and Riis know this, hence why he's riding the Giro - he's unlikely to be riding the TdF this year IMO.
🙄 Whatever...
I'd say it's more akin to being on remand waiting to be tried, if he gets OJ's lawyer he'll be on a winner... 😉
So he is guilty of doping as he failed a drug test. He is not banned because the Spanish authorities did not apply the rules. Italian authorities have no ability to ban him. WADA has appealed to CAS to get the correct punishment applied
Fair enough, although it seems a little weird that national authority can be extended that way.
Googling a little more into the RFEC's decision, [b]they haven't broken the rules[/b]: they've applied "article 296" which states:
Article 296 effectively states that if a rider can establish that "he bears no fault or negligence, the otherwise applicable period of ineligibility shall be eliminated."
(From: http://www.supersport.com/cycling/article.aspx?Id=406163)
Implies the federation accepted the contaminated meat explication, given the national interest in doing so, and the minute amount of drug found, I'm not entirely surprised. Not at all surprised, either, that WADA has decided to appeal that decision, but it does mean that Contador should be allowed to race.
Jim, Tj can't see that and won't accept it.
And if he is banned I will accept it as I have said repeatedly and point out your inability to either read, understand or contribute without using insulting comment, the sure sign of a loser...
do you mean like the part when you said we were all less intelligent than the people making the decsion? I have not insulted you on thsi thread so i am not sure why you are getting this desperate tbh if you are "winning".
As it has gone to appeal it is not just TJ who cannot accept that this is not the correct decision- perhaps WADA are stupid as well?
Mogrim - however that clearly does not apply if you read the WADA rules.
Mogrim - however that clearly does not apply if you read the WADA rules.
Despite your arguing this, there must be some room for doubt/interpretation - afaik (from my earlier googling) the decision is being appealed because WADA feels there was unreasonable political interference, leading to an incorrect decision - not that the RFEC itself cannot take the decision itself.
I know it's all leaked and third hand information that we are going on here but as far as I can tell AC's evidence in regard of article 296 is his say so and nothing more. If real evidence existed surely he would have made it public if only to stop people dangling steaks in front of him on mountain passes.
He was on record as saying that the meat was "very fine". Meat from an animal treated with clenbuterol would be a long way from very fine, it would be tough as old boots.
do you mean like the part when you said we were all less intelligent than the people making the decsion?
Hardly an insult , is it?
I can't help wondering why all the other Spanish riders who are caught doping spend the first few days denying it then quietly get on with the ban. They take an illegal substance, they know they are taking it and they take the risk, they get caught then complain for a while, then nothing.
Yet Alberto insists, in the face of all the published evidence, that he is innocent time and time again... Strange, me thinks...
Ultimately the whole system needs an overhaul. Having national governing bodies making the decisions leads to too many irregularities and suspicion of looking after their own even if this is not the case.
The RFEC can take the decision as it has the authority. However it is supposed to be compliant with WADA rules. Under WADA rules he must be banned and disqualified.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say there TJ, could you just repeat it one more time for me?
well the local authority can make the decision but they shoudl follow thw rules. As WADA has challenged it would seem reasonable to assume they dont think they have followed the rules or reached the correct decision.
In the ideal world WADA wants every sport to get their own house in order when this fails they intervene.
It is unclear as to wxactly what the RFEC used to clear him tbh and how this fell within the rules- more accuratelly the interpretation of the rules - ie how he bor eno responisbility for the failed test. Given his inabilty to evidence his beef claim and the rules of strict liability it would seem WADA think the decision was incorrect. Yes it was theres to make and had the followed the rules no one would have appealed.
While not wanting to get involved in the general meh of roady drug issues (dope or no dope Contador wins, but with Riis in his earpiece it is humiliation) there is one thing I want to pick up on which is Schlecklette dropping his chain - muppet - deserved everything he got. If the race is on and you get out of your saddle then drop your chain it is a schoolboy error and you will get your backside kicked. It was not a mechanical, it was a cockup - and will have been in spite of the trick fettling his mechanic will have done to stop the chain dropping.
muppetWrangler - Member
Ultimately the whole system needs an overhaul. Having national governing bodies making the decisions leads to too many irregularities and suspicion of looking after their own even if this is not the case.
This.
TandemJeremy - Member
The RFEC can take the decision as it has the authority. However it is supposed to be compliant with WADA rules. Under WADA rules he must be banned and disqualified.
Which they did. Using their interpretation of said rules, and applying the one that best fit with their interests. muppetWrangler's spot on with his comment - having a national body decide is a huge mistake.
Yet Alberto insists, in the face of all the published evidence, that he is innocent time and time again... Strange, me thinks...
Not really, some of the Americans took their bans on the chin, even one case where the athlete claimed a similar story to AC's i.e ingestion through contaminated food. Other's have kicked up a right hooha such as Tyler (and his twin) and Landis (and his drinking binge). Different folks have different reactions, don't think you can really group everyone together in that respect.
muppet Wrangler, I've never met Landis or Hamilton so can't comment on their reactions.
I'm not suggesting that I've had cosy fireside chats with an array of disgraced cyclists but was trying to give examples that an extended protestation of innocence doesn't necessarily make that individual innocent. Different folks will react to a given situation in different ways
If an individual is dishonest then they are not likely to proclaim their guilt while they are still in with a chance of getting off. Both Hamilton and Landis claimed to be innocent right up until they realised that there was no hope of a reprieve. Only then did they admit to their offences.
I completely agree with you, I was just looking at the typical Spanish reaction and how Alberto's differs dramatically, and I would guess under the guidance of the RFEC.
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F*** O**! Elfin. 😉
Yeah. F*** O**! Elfin. 😉
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