Anyone tried and have any thoughts?
I could be tempted to try the cores as the full valve kit seems a bit steep.
They do claim to increase flow by "1.5x" which TBH it's a huge amount Vs taking the core out entirely to seat a tyre...
The thing that appeals for me is avoiding sticky/bent valve stems, and they don’t seem that dear (though there might be hidden costs eg. replacing tubes with ones where I can swap the valve cores).
But I don’t know about real world use.
Berm peak express recent review might be of interest:
I've recently installed some on one of my bikes,all good so far .On paper they seemed like a good idea to me .They worked with my non screw on presta pumps which is nice and the clik valve adapter that came with the kit I got works with my little Lezyne pump I have which is a screw on type and makes the pump much easier to use now. Only a few ides with them so far so time will tell.They are very easy to use.
Is there a UK distributor or only direct from the US? If so, is the postage expensive?
@tthew As this is a Schwalbe/SKS benefit, it’s Germany (or more realistically China).
Ison distributing in the UK- looks like they've got the valve cores but not the pump heads, helpfully
As this is a Schwalbe/SKS benefit, it’s Germany (or more realistically China).
Ah, OK. OP's link goes to a US site. I'll look for a European supplier. I'd like to get a couple of pairs of cores and a pump head as I have two track pumps, convert one.
I posted on here and got a bollocking as I sell them. They are fab imo!
Oh damn, sorry pal, I just ordered some from Tredz. 17 quid for a pump head and cores, 6 quid for a pair of cores.
That BPE video title & thumb is 1000x too clik baity so dismissed it as 'not interested'.
The cores, maybe, if they become standard and widely adopted.
do presta pressure gauges still work with the clik valves?
do presta pressure gauges still work with the clik valves?
Apparently you can inflate with a Presta head pump (as long as it’s not a screw-on head) but the gauge isn’t accurate.
Interesting.... you don't actually have to use the adapter.
I'll reword it, will a stand alone gauge such as the Topeak smart D2 gauge work?
@ogden Is it really just a modified Woods/Dunlop valve?
I'll reword it, will a stand alone gauge such as the Topeak smart D2 gauge work?
I assume unless you’ve put an adaptor on it, no?
I also assume that SKS will expand their range of pumps etc as at the moment it’s floor pumps or adaptors.
Had a play with them, my one issue is that they can still clog as there's still a core in there (it hasn't happened yet so the jury's out but there's potential) when you compare to muc-off s big bore valves which has no core, just a tap. Been using those for longer and not clogged yet
No the Topeak pressure gauge doesn't work with them .
Do pumps and gauges work correctly if you use the adaptor? Not keen to use anything that messes with that functionality otherwise, everyone ends up borrowing a pump sooner or later, but if you can just throw the adaptor in your bag and keep 100% compatibility then that's pretty cool.
Can't help but be a wee bit skeptical of their breezy assurances about the head's compatibility with "legacy" pumps, my experience is that there's loads of different variations on fitment out there, I can't see any way a single head is universal. But they don't really lay out any requirements.
That BPE video title & thumb is 1000x too clik baity so dismissed it as 'not interested'.
It's basically showing how mechanically inept some people are.
Dunno how they manage to change gears or get saddles/bars/stems installed without destroying them.
It's basically showing how mechanically inept some people are.
Dunno how they manage to change gears or get saddles/bars/stems installed without destroying them.
Presta are indisputably; definitely, unquestionably $hit. The industry has spend 20 years dancing around the subject but because roadies and "tradition" we just don't seem to be able to shake the damn things. Now even road bikes have evolved to rims wider than 20mm can't we all just start using schrader valves on bikes?
So many new standards trying to solve a problem that shouldn't exist.
Is it a pride thing?
Aaaah, another one who can't tighten a thread or pull a press fit off in a straight line. 😉
Swoon.
Add me to the list of incompetents as well then. I bow down to the superiority of our mechanical infallibles
why are Presta valves so rubbish? – Bike Forum – Singletrack World Magazine Forum
Aaaah, another one who can't tighten a thread or pull a press fit off in a straight line.
I stand by my comment last time this was discussed. It doesn't matter how mechanically competent you perceive yourself to be, presta valves are breakable in multiple different ways and it's a simple matter of entropy as to when the end snaps off or comes off with a pump.
There's no reason for the industry to be sticking with presta other than that a schrader valve doesn't fit through a 100year old roadies rim.
Reasons I'm still running presta:
- tubeless means actually having to inflate an MTB tyre with anything other than a decent track pump is a very rare occurrence in the last 20 years.
- you can't get quality tubes with schrader valves
- quality rims aren't drilled for schrader valves
- however breakable the valves are, they're at least cheap to replace. Except Shimano tubeless valves, which are stupidly expensive, required to fit their rims, and lack replaceable cores!
There are no benefits to presta valves, they're just the lowest common denominator (thinnest) and therefore get used everywhere.
Seems like they are pushing these all of a sudden....
+1 for Presta being shitter than Schrader with essentially no redeeming features in the modern world. I don't care if you've never broken or bent one, neither have I but it happens and you don't have to be stupid to have it happen, you can have a moment's inattention or have someone else "help" with your bike. And even if that never happens, they clog, they're more delicate, they're more restrictive for tubeless, they work on less pumps and fittings than schrader does.
The only real world advantage is that it's easier to spell. Oh and I guess it enables people to sell £20 valves and £50 inflators.
+1 for Presta being shitter than Schrader with essentially no redeeming features in the modern world. I don't care if you've never broken or bent one, neither have I but it happens and you don't have to be stupid to have it happen, you can have a moment's inattention or have someone else "help" with your bike. And even if that never happens, they clog, they're more delicate, they're more restrictive for tubeless, they work on less pumps and fittings than schrader does.
These are always the arguments and I do agree, however, if DT Swiss made wheelset A with a presta hole and also made it with a schrader diameter hole people are still going to buy the presta one purely down to the stigma that only cheap bike products come with schrader valves or worrying about resale value etc.
Wow never really knew people got so disproportionately cross about presta valves. Add me to your list of superior beings 🤣
Easy to drill out a rim to fit a Schrader valve, come from the outside in (Presta = 6mm to Schrader = 8mm). I too dislike Presta.
Speak for yourself! Given my ineptitude I’d probably snap the rim.
Use a small round 8mm file.
Easy to drill out a rim to fit a Schrader valve, come from the outside in (Presta = 6mm to Schrader = 8mm). I too dislike Presta.
Yep, but that's not the stumbling block, although I'm only ever one faffy tubeless setup away from doing my MTB's. But Shrader tubeless valves exist and are easy to get hold of.
On the road, for starters I'd have to drill the expensive carbon rims. I think a tapered grinding bit on a Dremel might be safer so that's not insurmountable. It's then the lack of products which is what annoys me. Why are Schwalbe pushing these click valves when they could just release a 60mm Schrader tubeless valve stem that everyone already has a pump for!
These are always the arguments and I do agree, however, if DT Swiss made wheelset A with a presta hole and also made it with a schrader diameter hole people are still going to buy the presta one purely down to the stigma that only cheap bike products come with schrader valves or worrying about resale value etc.
Mavic rims used to come with a little plastic shim that clipped into the hole.
I agree though, it's just fashion and inertia.
If Lachlan Morton went out and did a round the world record Schrader valves so he could re-seat them if necessary in a remote petrol station in northern Azerbaijan, then they'd suddenly be acceptable and people would question why they do still use those silly presta valves.
And another 9 months later (and a 27th thread) and i still haven't broken (or bent) a presta valve.why are Presta valves so rubbish? – Bike Forum – Singletrack World Magazine Forum
Aaaah, another one who can't tighten a thread or pull a press fit off in a straight line.
Must be 40 years now.
TBH if mechanical skills are not sufficient to stop the plunger bending then I’m not sure that same person should be taking a drill to a rim
And another 9 months later (and a 27th thread) and i still haven't broken (or bent) a presta valve.
Must be 40 years now.
My hero.
But Schrader tubeless valves exist and are easy to get hold of.
I'm sure Stan's did them 15 y ago when I started with tubeless.
I'm sure Stan's did them 15 y ago when I started with tubeless.
Plenty of brands still do, even fancy insert compatible high-flow ones.
All we need is some decent 60mm ones for modern road rims 😂
I had this happen in a minor crash, I guess it just caught a stick. Course, anything can happen in a crash but presta is definitely weaker than schrader. Stick this in your pipe "oh it's only if you're mechanically incompetent" people.
The broken valve is the least of your problems - that wheel looks toast!
lenty of brands still do, even fancy insert compatible high-flow ones.
All we need is some decent 60mm ones for modern road rims
Those Ultimate Schrader Valves - Miles Wide Industries valves look great - some nice innovations in there. This is the kind of $hit the industry should be doing, evolving good design with neat features. I love the 4mm Hex in the bottom so you can easily stop it spinning as you tighten it up.
Would also love to run dice caps again. That's not been a thing since my Schwinn or CW in the 80s.
Wasn't there some issue with metal caps seizing onto the valve stem?
Wasn't there some issue with metal caps seizing onto the valve stem?
Same 'issue' would apply to most expensive Shrader options. You know, the ones that come with an anodized cap with built in valve core remover.
Not that anyone ever need to remove a broken or clogged valve core, that never happens obviously .................
But yea, I had some Chinese TPMS valve caps (it had a succession of nails and my OPH is really bad at noticing a low tyre) seize onto the car which was a PITA. But dice valve caps are cool so I'd happily remember to put some anti seize on them 😂
Wasn't there some issue with metal caps seizing onto the valve stem?
Definitely happens on cars. Those aftermarket alloy caps can seize on, just stick with plastic. Seems less likely on a MTB (less road salt, more frequent removal) but still something to be wary of.
Definitely happens on cars. Those aftermarket alloy caps can seize on, just stick with plastic. Seems less likely on a MTB (less road salt, more frequent removal) but still something to be wary of.
This was my understanding - something about galvanic reaction between aluminium cap, brass valve stem and road salt?
ThoseUltimate Schrader Valves - Miles Wide Industriesvalves look great - some nice innovations in there. This is the kind of $hit the industry should be doing, evolving good design with neat features. I love the 4mm Hex in the bottom so you can easily stop it spinning as you tighten it up.
Is that... is that $35 per valve?!
Thankfully looks like it's for 2x
I'm generally ok with presta as it's trivial to swap valve cores, but prompted by this thread I did some digging and there are more alternatives out there than I had realised (apart form the Clik valves, and Project 76/Fillmore that I was already aware of). These include (in no particular order) Schrader adapters from Joe's No Flats, Muc Off ball valves, Milkit valves, Bontrager High Flow Valve Adapters, and Stan's Tubeless Exo-Core Valves. Many of these are appealing on first glance, but most suffer from one drawback or another, sometimes general cost, or sometimes that you can't use thread-on style pump heads that you would carry for reinflating in an emergency. I like the look of the Schrader adapters though, as you get most of the benefits of Schrader valves, but in the worst case scenario you can remove the adapter to add sealant or stick in a presta valve (easier to carry in a tool pack).
Add good old Nutrak to your list. £15/pair and probably as good as anything fancy
I have been looking into Clik Valves and like the idea of easy top ups, less faff with caps/nuts and better reliability. Just clik and go...
I'm trying to work out the best way to do it, as we've got loads of bikes and pumps so I want to stay as compatible as possible without causing a mess.
The adaptor looks really slim - can anyone provide the diameter, or confirm if it'll fit in a OneUp EDC pump (CO2 cartridge size)?
If if does fit, I'd probably want to start with two adaptor sets - one adaptor to leave in a pump, and one to pack for the trail, and valves for my 2 main bikes.
I posted on here and got a bollocking as I sell them. They are fab imo!
Interesting. Have you got parts in stock?
drop me a message and ill see what i can do to help
I want to stay as compatible as possible without causing a mess.
I think it might be to get the SKS Clik track pump which doesn’t look dear but nothing seems in stock for a bit?
The 90 degree adapter is a full replacement for a normal track pump head. As I've got 2 track pumps, I just converted one.
I've only used it once to after replacing the inserts and refreshing sealant, (2 bikes) but it clicked on and off perfectly and seemed to have decent air flow.
The adaptor looks really slim - can anyone provide the diameter, or confirm if it'll fit in a OneUp EDC pump (CO2 cartridge size)?
All the info says you don't need an adaptor except for screw on pumps...but gauges don't work. I'd be keen to give them a try if they didn't need an adaptor for a gauge to work.
We've got 11 bikes in the family, with a mix of tubeless, TPU non removeable and Schrader valves. We then have track pumps, trail/pack pumps and pressure gauges with a mix of press and screw!
So, I'm already in a mess!
An adaptor at home for the track pump and gauge would probably do, as 90% of my pumping is on my best 2 bikes. I just need to see how my mini pumps would work. I think my OneUp would be OK but the Apogee mini for my road pack is a (fairly fiddly) screw on.
I think it might be to get the SKS Clik track pump which doesn’t look dear but nothing seems in stock for a bit?
SKS appear to be licencing the same valve. There are quite a few retailers listing the pump head / core kit on line already - Tredz, Fawkes, and more, showing stock.
I'm going to try 2 bikes worth and will report back.
A mate gave me a pair of these today to try. (a not for resale test kit)
Some observations on them.
Pumping them up with my standard push on presta head pump worked but the pressure gauge was showing double the pressure that was in the tyre.
With the supplied adaptor it was reading accurately.
One of the valves refused to seal into the valve stem and leaked from the threads between the two parts.
Tried it in another valve and it wouldn't screw all the way in.
Both of the above valves work fine with normal presta valves fitted.
I removed them and re fitted standard presta's.
Just didn't see the point in them TBH seem to create more problems than they solve.
Anyone spotted a bulk pack of cores? I'd like to try them but for simplicity change everything over.
I'm playing with them and they solve a good few of my frustrations with Presta, while introducing others.
They work with push on pumps, but since the valve isn't actuated the pressure reading is off without an adaptor.
They work with push on pumps with no adaptors.
The adaptor fits inside a OneUp EDC pump. But it does not fit into the pump so that's a futile exercise!
The adaptor screws into my Lezyne pump hoses (Schrader side) so I can use them again without risk of unscrewing valve cores.
They don't work with my Topeak digital gauge, with or without an adaptor.
To convert my whole family fleet I'd need 10 sets (£60), at least two adaptors and 2-3 pump heads so it adds up! Best part of £100!
Money and compatibility aside I'd be happy if everything was swapped over.
For now I'll stick with two bikes worth and see...
The adaptor screws into my Lezyne pump hoses (Schrader side) so I can use them again without risk of unscrewing valve cores.
As above Lezyne are bringing out a flip chuck for Clik valves (which isn’t really a flip chuck as it’s one sided, but you know what I mean). I assume that would work with eg a Check Drive to give accurate pressures?
Indeed. I hope the hose is available as a retro fit for my now mothballed Lezyne mini pumps. I've got HV and HP. Hoses are good. Unscrewing is not.
Not seen pictures of a non-floor-pump flip chuck unfortunately (also have a mothballed Lezyne mini pump, mothballed for the same reason).
Saw something suggesting Wolftooth were in too, but not seen anything yet. I think I need Schwalbe to bring out some Clik valve tubes…
I believe there’s a bigger problem, regarding all the different standards for other inflatable devices: sup’s, airbeds, pillows, tents, etc.
if schwalbe could only manufacture adapters to make its clik valves compatible with this myriad of accessories.
or maybe there’s an opening for all the budding 3-d printers…
one pump to rule them all!
As far as I can see from reading around the relatively few reviews I can find on the internet they don’t seem to solve the problem of clogging with sealant. I’d like to see some longer term reviews that address this - otherwise I’ll stick with presta as valve cores are easy and cheap to replace.
The adaptor looks really slim - can anyone provide the diameter, or confirm if it'll fit in a OneUp EDC pump (CO2 cartridge size)?
I think the adapter has a Schrader thread on it (so doesn't work with push-fit Presta pumps, which push directly onto the valve but then don't give you an accurate pressure).
Valves/adapter on back order 'til Jun here.
Valves/adapter on back order 'til Jun here
And in mid-July, LBS still can't seem to get any and stock limited. Anyone else having more luck?
Available?
My son uses these (works for Halfords, so got them free off Schhwalbe). Said having to use an adapter is a bit of a pain. Recently went to Morzine and fitted presta cores, cos he couldn't guarantee he'd have an adapter when needed.
He says Muc-Off valves are better with the big bore.
Never seen the need for different valves myself. Except the minor problem of a bent one.. just bend it straight again. Clogged valve is probably the one issue I've never had with tubeless.
If it’s all the same I’d rather not make Jeff Bezos any richer than he already is, unless it’s unavoidable.
Yeah £20 would buy him another one of those weddings I reckon 😆
Every little helps
Tredz are showing the kit with the conversation adapter in stock.
>Said having to use an adapter is a bit of a pain.
I have them on 5 bikes now, one of which has Odyssey OPTIS on there so 4 cores in total on that bike.
All of my pumps work without an adaptor, including my OneUp and Topeak Mountain Morph. Just push on and pump up. I have a spare presta core inside my OneUp but not needed it yet.
At home I converted a track pump with the Clik head as all the main bikes are on Clik. Getting ready for a family ride is a bit less faff now. Clik, pump, on each bike. No more caps, fiddly threads, pump levers etc.
I do use the adaptor on my cordless pump that has a Schrader threaded hose. Screw on, clik, press pump. Done.
Great system, very much sold on it. Hoping it gets wider adoption!
Bought some last week from Tredz.
I have stock
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