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ive got some crankbrothers mallet e pedals used with crank brothers clip in shoes, perfect - absolutely no issues at all, foot stays in/clips out and theres no weirdness to them
then the pedals broke (as CB are shite and even with a rebuild they still deteriorate very rapidly!!!)
so i put my time pedals back on with time cleats and im getting all sorts of weirdness, horrible movement like theres excess play, if i sit and spin its generally fine (other than squeaking), but if i get out the saddle and climb my feet are moving like theres free play everywhere fore and back, they dont feel solid and its really off putting as it feels like i can lift my foot up/forward as i put power down
could this just be a shoe/cleat interface problem? (they squeak like mad too)
again none of this was here with the CB at all, they just didnt move once i was clipped in
i cant be the only one thats had this, it feels so wrong like nothings meshing together other than the fact its clipped in
its kinda hard to explain tbh but basically when im clipped in it feels like my foot/shoe is loose somehow, i just want it to clip in, be solid with no movement/play rather than listening to it sound like its loose/knocking as i pull up on the pedal stroke
New cleats or used.
Is the sole of the shoe resting on the pedal body, or a couple of mm clear?
i have used Time pedals for ever really. On the ATAC ones, after a couple of years the base of the shoe, under the front cleat bar gets worn and I notice similar sloppiness. Changing to new cleats doesn't really help as it's the shoe that is worn. Good excuse for a new pair of shoes .. 🙂
I’ve got some steel shoe shims (CB do them but you can get them elsewhere) that protect the shoe soles.
Time cleats are a bit soft though and wear like billyo. I can’t remember what CB ones are made out of.
yeah i bought new cleats in the hope it was them causing the issue as the others were a little worn (but not excessively and no worse than my CB ones) but its just the same - its a horrible sensation really
i wonder if its the pattern of shoe combo with the cleats or the pedal bars? as i said they are solid matched with the CB pedals
I think it varies by shoe and pedal combo.
I've been using a mix of Shimano and Giro shoes with Shimano pedals for donkeys years.
I'd worn my Giro Terraduros out, so bought the nearest thing I could find which was Spesh Recon 3.0 (coupled with new pedals and cleats). The outsole is too thin, so when I'm clipped in I'm stood on the cleat rather than the pedal body, which gives exactly the same feeling you describe (from first wear - walking around, the cleat sticks proud of the outsole). My AM9s and (quite elderly) MW80s on the same pedals feel normal because the outsole contacts the wings of the pedal body.
yeah maybe is just a shoe/pedal combo, unless the bars are worn on the pedal itself or something, but its not the cleats as they are new
ill have a look at the sole and see how it interferes but from looking at pics the CB shoes have a really good wide gap for space for cleats so it doesnt look a tight fit like on some shoes soles
its a horrid horrid feeling though as it transfers through my knees and gave me knee pain last night, cos they just lift and move all over when putting power down, so the last thing you want when transferring power
i had what you describe when i was starting out on dual sided pedals, the mechanism on the cleat side was the only part the at interfaced with the shoe.. all pedalling was then turned into a swimming motion.. and being stood on the cleat hurt the sole of my foot..
ive used several pedals later on and other shoes and not encountered it
sorry @alan1977 are you saying that the mechanism was the problem then? i can only assume its pedal related really unless the shoes just dont gel well with the pedal, as the cleats are new and the shoes are only 6 months old
sorry
in my situation, it was the pedal, the cleat side had no additional support, probably fine for commuting or what not when you aren't stood, but with a flexi MTB shoe and no platform it was disgusting. I thought that's how all SPD pedals were and gave up for a bit
I don't know how times are supposed to feel, I'm only familiar with SPD, but i'm guessing with the times if you are experiencing too much free movement, then you'd need the shoe to engage with whatever platform is available?
my 510 flat pedal style PDS shoes (kestral? hellcat? idk) interface beautifully with my DMR V Twins and Shimano 520's, i though the xc style pedal would add a horrible hotspot, but the tiny shoulders on the pedal seem to be enough to stop that
I haven’t used time for yonks - since the original composite ones with the 2 bars sticking out and no adjustments. They always feel more floaty then Shimano style spds.
Now on Nukeproof horizons spd style clips - love them. Clicking in is really easy, as is clicking out, and they have plenty of spring tension adjustment. You can also screw pins in / out / remove them totally to get the feel you want.
in my situation, it was the pedal, the cleat side had no additional support, probably fine for commuting or what not when you aren’t stood, but with a flexi MTB shoe and no platform it was disgusting. I thought that’s how all SPD pedals were and gave up for a bit
There's quite often a degree of this when the pedal body doesn't quite meet up with the sole of the shoe, so you're pretty much relying on a 15-20mm wide latch to hold your foot still. GIves both rocking and hot spots, gets worse with softer soles.
A mate once shimmed the tread blocks on his SIDIs with cut up bits of credit card to ensure that the tread met the pedal body...
Both Time and CB wear grooves into the sole of the shoe. You can buy protector plates from CB, I'm using a set with my new winter boots as the pedal wore almost entirely through the sole of my old Lake boots