'Cheap' bikes you've loved

Yeah, probably my cheapest but most ridden bike is my Calibre Dune fatbike.

I bought it used for a bit past £300 maybe 5 or 6 years ago and have changed a few things, but it's still an amazing bike for the money.
It makes the tame local riding I have a lot more enjoyable.

Just a brilliant bike.

Genesis I/O. Cost £300. Rode it for years, everywhere. Fantastic. Sold it for £300.

Apollo Vortice BMX. Best £70 I’ve ever spent.

Also a Calibre Dune! Though, uh, I may have changed a few parts that may add up to quite a bit more than the whole bike cost, it is still officially cheap.

Built a very cheap orange crush a couple of years ago. Absolutely adore it. It can do 95% of what the alpine can for about 15% of the cost. It’s bewitchingly good.

I rescued an old claud butler from a mate’s back garden many years ago. Put a new cassette, mech and chain on it and used it as my London hack when I lived there. Must have put 10000 miles on that thing in 18 months. Wish I still had it and the commute that made me so fit.

First bike ever, beyond the Raleigh Chipper i had as a little kid.
I cannot remember exactly the model. It was either an 88 or later courier.

I got it off the brother of the bike shop manager and came complete with white Onza porcupine tyres*. Thumbies etc

* Threw these out. Silly me 😆

One I've got now , Onza Jackpot , quality steel HT 150mm Revs , Reverb ( one that works !) 1 x 10 Deore brakes £699 ! 👍

My problem has always been any cheap, bike I but turns into an expensive Christmas tree of upgrades covered in anodised baubles.

It's quite the feeling in the Winter slip knowing your whole bike cost less than a motor on my Orbea Rise , should have taken it on the Mendips yesterday 🙄😔

Genny, my lovely red and white Genesis Equilibrium 2011. Bought for £300 off a work mate. Lovely bike that got me back doing some decent road rides (204km longest) , with a long cage and 11-42 cassette fitted, after years of illness.

I’m not sure it counts as “cheap”, mainly because it was new and a touch over 600 quid, but my Malt2 has been the best value bike I have ever bought. It’s over 12 years old now, has had a large number of bit replaced, but is my go to bike for commuting. Before that it was the bike I took to work on bridleway, before that I used to do Cannock on it and other local trails.

It keeps going, it keeps making me smile.

My only bike cost £700 and I ride it 4 times a week all year around. I don't have a garageful of expensive bikes, I just like riding simple bikes and ride very often.

Carrera Fury... it was the bike that really got me into bikes. I loved that thing... bought it when we moved a bit rural and started riding for £350 i think, used, which we all thought was insane...

Little did we know, we'd now spend 10X that 😀

Bought a cube hardtail frame from @ton for £50 with seatpost, saddle, stem and bars and was amazed how well it ride. Had a box of left over spares so had to build another bike.

Only changed the frame when the new scandal was launched at £150 plus £20 shipping.

Now that bike has a rigid carbon fork and deore 10 speed. Probably cost around £700 to build including new hand built (by me) wheels. It's the bike I use the most and enjoy riding the most. It's simple, robust and capable.

Charge plug.
Awesome alloy wee beastie that shifted me from MTB to more "adventure/gravel" style riding.
Took a lot of punishment.
Bought it off gumtree right at the start of lockdown before covid tax became a thing. Replaced a shocking specialized Tricross that tried to kill me most outings due to appauling mini canti brakes. Cost less than the tricross too.

2003 Trek 4900. Bought it new in 2003 for £350-400 i think. Used it for 20 years continuously as the goto bike. Did exactly what it said on the tin.

To be fair, the only thing not replaced was the frame and handlebars for new over the years - but same level as came off.
Back in January it went to bike heaven. The BB threads failed on the frame and wouldnt hold the BB cups.

Love my Pinnacle Ramin rigid bike, frame and fork cost me 100 quid new. When it arrived the fork had gouged the paint off the chain stay in the box, I complained and got £30 back.
Built it up with a cheep Superstar wheelset, spare 10 speed drivetrain and other parts box spares.
I commute on it, do long XC rides, used it for the Moors 100 last year and another bikepacking weekender.

Current:
Boardman ADV 8.9 gravel bike purchased used with shagged parts for £250, fixed up at a cost of about £350 (new transmission, calipers, wheels & tyres) and it's a brilliant bike. Is £600ish "cheap" enough?

Past:
Saracen Zen 2011 hardtail frame, bought secondhand as a stopgap after all my bikes were nicked. Built up with spares that didn't get nicked. It was light, comfy and quite aggressive for the time (66deg head angle). Might have kept it for years if 29in wheels hadn't come onto my radar shortly after.

On-one 456.
Second hand frame, second hand forks, wheels from superstar with mega discount.
Had it 10 years and without a doubt the best value bike I've had.
It gets kept on the ship i work on now, so anytime we get in port it gets to go exploring

£300 On-One Inbred SS about 15 years ago - one of the original horizontal dropout, rim brake only frames but with nice parts (Pace RC31s, 180mm Race Face cranks for loads of leverage etc). First ride I did on it was Cut Gate and it instantly cemented its place in my heart. Had a Cotic Soul at the same time (gears and big forks) and rode the Inbred as much, if not more. Such a good bike...

Btwin Tilt 100 single speed steel folding bike. Upgraded to fixed wheel with longer seat post, Elite Ti saddle, drop bars and V drop brake levers, and marathon plus tyres I had lying around. Owed me about £225 all in.

Decathlon bikes are good bikes. At every price point.

Well my entire bike history and general build philosophy generally relies on 'cheap' frames as they often give incredible value. I do add nice parts to them, but they are often 'old' but good (think XTR M988 brakes, SLX M665 chainset, XT 1x10).

On-One Parkwood - rode brilliantly and very versatile
Sonder Camino Al - current frameset was actually shop soiled so discounted to £190. Great riding and super versatile bike.
Rock Lobster 853 - got an end of line one for £170 on sale in 2004, rode it non-stop for 7 years and it was lovely.

All my bikes have been good value when I bought them, or at least that is what I've told myself at the time 😅

I bought a PlanetX London Road frameset in 2015 which has done all sorts of trails and trips, under many different build guises. It was only £130. I keep think about replacing it now, but I honestly don't see anything they could do what it does any better.

2 stand out for me;
- Whyte Whitechapel R7; first hybrid bike. Just blew me away how comfortable it was and how much speed it would carry. Opened up long journeys for me. Bought & sold for £175.
- Whyte 529 V1; bought as a cheap HT hack to lock-up and not care about but turned into one of the best HTs I've ever had. Replaced every component bar the frame and it was the perfect blend for me of weight, geometry & comfort. Sold for a SolarisMax which was awful in comparison. I did a few thousand miles on it and had some of my best rides and adventures on that thing. Still regret selling it.

Seems it is not just me then! I think i want a cheap 29er hardtail to add to my collection - money no object I'd like a Solaris or Sirius, but I can't justify the cost on top of my relatively new full suss. Some good inspiration above!

Ex-hire Genesis Altitude from the old Hub bike shop at GT. I only wandered over to pick up a set of their cheap SPDs from the basket but came away with a full bike...

Also, a very used Glory DH for £600 to have a dabble in DH. That thing was bombproof and gave more smiles (and arse-puckering moments) than any other bike I've owned:

Dolan Precursa - used to commute daily on it year round and it was indestructible and cheap and so much fun. Took a car driven by a moron to finish it off but the frame is in the shed waiting for resurrection.

On One Big Dog

This below.

It was about £350 in the early 90's.

I recently re-painted it the colour below - started out as marbled grey, then had it dark blue for about 20 years, now gunmetal (rattle can job).

Early 90's Diamond Back Ascent EX. Used daily on the commute (guards and rack fitted currently) and it's done Snowdon, dented a few cars, crashed etc and not broke. It's over 30 years old. Chainset is newer and I upgraded the Canti's and rear mech to 'period' XT many years ago. It's had many sets of wheels !!

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Canyon Strive CF 7.0. Mate got a new bike and I said I'd buy the strive off him for my son, he said just give us £400 for it. I then sold my sons Sonder Transmitter for £600! Its a friken awesome bike!!

As my son gets bigger I might end up seeing if the (small) strive fits me and he can use my (medium) Reactor.

Pinnacle Arkose X

Bought it for £400 secondhand about 4 years ago (but it had clearly not been ridden)

Put about 5000km on it so far, maybe more. To be fair, I've also spent about £700 on it now with new wheels, bars and post plus drivetrain bits and obvs tyres but its been a superb bike for commuting, gravel and going to the shop!

The 'other' bargain was a BMC Fourstroke from a mate - unfortunately it's XS and doesn't fit me, so MrsF has it. SLX and XT drivechain, full suspension and a Reverb, £300 !

456 Evo that I bought off here 10 years ago.  Loved that bike, shame some scrote nicked it after a couple of years or I dare say I'd still have it.

Sonder Transmitter that I build up from ebay specials and my parts bin. Was an absolute hoot to ride. Still regret stripping it and selling.

i had a commencal meta4 2005 that i bought for £100. it was rad. i did so much stupid stuff on it - jumps, drops, etc. and the sdw in a day. it was the perfect south downs bike.

i cracked it in 2 places though. i still have it just on the off chance i learn to weld aluminium.

Cheap i guess will be subjective but found the receipt to my Onone Scandal 29er v2 when moving house...£219 for the frame back in 2011. Still my go-to bike most rides, certainly in the winter months.

Seatstays & chainstays are pretty pencil (maybe more boardmarker) thin where they converge at dropouts compared to other alloy frames... genuinely surprised how it's still going but it is and i have no intention moving it on whereas my FS bikes come & go. Certainly doesn't owe me anything & I think I've got my monies worth many times over

Probably the sliding drop-out 26er inbred. It was run as geared hardtail, singlespeed hardtail, rigid singlespeed, rigid geared trailer tow-bike. I raced it, surprisingly podiumed with it once (humble brag!) and generally had a really good time with it. Then finally I moved to bigger wheels and gave it to a mate. It's still going strong despite the rust and battered appearance. Still on the original headset too, an orbit extreme pro. Yeah, great bike and good memories.

Another vote for the Calibre Dune here. Although it is that heavily modified that it slowly morphed into a highly specced Canyon Dude. It was the gateway to fat bikes though and I still love riding it.

Kona Rove DL - cost me 420 Euro in August second hand, but in showroom condition. Its been a great winter bike with 2000km trouble free since October.

My first generation Specialized Langster, 2006:

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Cost £400 retail, I got it at trade for about £280.
It's now coming up to 17 years old, it's done over 80,000 miles including dozens of century rides and 2 double centuries. Used it for commuting, training, a winter road bike, even done a few crit races on it - it really upsets people when you can finish mid-pack in a bike worth less than the wheels of every other bike there!

Admittedly the only original stuff on it is frame, forks, bar, stem and seatpost - everything else has been changed sometimes many times! But it all just works, it's great fun to ride, quick and easy to clean up. And I've deliberately kept it reasonably cheap, there's nothing particularly bling on there, no carbon.

Another Charge Plug 3 for me (bought when Wiggle were selling them discounted).
It was bought as a winter bike but I kept on riding it most of the year and only brought out the 'nice' bike on the sunniest / smooth road days.
[Stealth Add.... I do need to clear the bike store so if anyone wants to pick it up Skipton, North Yorkshire I would sell it for not many £...I'd like to think it has a couple more years in it]

I love an FB marketplace bargain. Got this for £275 in December - Boardman URB with an Alfine 8. Put new tyres on and changed the grips, and now its a great commuter.

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My other favourite cheap bike was an On-one Inbred 29er rigid. Sold it and replaced with a Solaris, which I never liked as much!

Must have cost me around £500 in 1997? The only original parts are the frame and top tube silicone cable sleeves though

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Paid £250 for the frame and a bit for new drivetrain, pinched the rest off my 2006? Enduro

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My other bike cost £5.5k

Mrs_OAB's little Liv Invite is a doozy. Many happy days on it. Currently for sale:

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We also had a few cracking small kids bikes which were built up from second hand parts, back in the day many from retrobike and STW classifieds, which we then used and sold for basically what they cost us: This Trek was ace for examnple...
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Another vote for Calibre bikes, only this time it’s the wife’s Triple B (upgraded Bossnut) and my Line 29.

We’d both sold our good bikes (her top end Capra and my Orange Alpine) when we were about to have twins as we felt they’d just sit there unused for 1-2 years, but early in lockdown we though we might actually need to get out and ride (for our sanity) and everything was just starting to run out.

She has since sold hers as she wants an ebike but I’m loving my Line 29, it was about £700 new a few years ago and so far all I’ve done is fit some trusty Minion DHFs, my preferred Renthal bar and stem, Burgtec pedals and the 125 dropper is now 200mm to take full advantage of the super short seat tube. It’s great fun, I thought I’d hate the RS Recons and heavy wheels, but they all manage fine for Dartmoor, Haldon and the trail centres I’ve been riding over the last few years.

@Tomzesty, I would recommend one in an instant as there’s no stupid geometry ‘quirks’ and it’s survived being thrashed under my 100kg self.

I was gutted when I found a worrying seat tube crack on my dayglow orange Saracen Pylon 8's frame, a bargain end of season buy from Rutland's eBay store in 2008.

Massive tyre clearance, hydraulic brakes and Alfine 8 drivetrain. Great short distance commuter.

I bought a Scandal 29er frame and Exotic carbon rigid forks second hand off two different people on here in 2011 for £175 and £65 respectively to build a winter bike. It's been ridden through every Scottish winter since and I still love it. Just passed 13,000km logged on Strava this week (and I wasn't on Strava the first couple of years I had it). It's been through many (many) components right enough, but the chassis keeps going.

I refer to it as my old armchair - it just feels right when I sit on it.

For me it is an old Singular Peregrine, bought 8 years ago, when it had already done a fair few miles, supposed to be a cheap "Pub" bike. But something about the skinny steel ride over gravel, i run it singlespeed and over the years it has gained decent TRP brakes, Brooks B17 and Chris King hubs, but frame is well battered, but it is still the one that gets pulled out of garage most, despite owning a lovely geared ti gravel bike too..i've done over 20,000 miles on it since i bought it

Only road bike is a well-loved Bombtrack Needle singlespeed, and again, i like the steel frame and i can just pull from garage without fuss

Depends what you mean by cheap?

I had a 2016 Specialized Diverge Elite DSW cost £1300 cheap Tiagra 10 speed & pig ugly. But it was so comfy. I traded it in for a Specialized carbon Roubaix but that thing was so uncomfortable and I always regretted trading the Diverge in for it.

I also loved my On-One Inbred frames, cheap as chips but great fun both SS and geared.

Bought a Planet X Jack Flash 29 frame for £79, built it up with a bargain set of Superstar wheels when they were clearing them out and the bits from my broken full sus Marin and it’s one of the most fun, versatile bike I’ve owned. Didn’t even bother with the faff of internal routing - just zip tied the cables to the outside!

My Voodoo Hoodoo, bought it as a damaged stock bike for £275 from Halfords (via an old work colleague) and it's been amazing. Was an absolute godsend during the first lockdown as it made the local riding fun and kept the wear off my other bikes. Had it 5 years now and it's had a few hand-me-down upgrades from other bikes so it now has a Factory Spec (but no Kashima) Fox 32 fork, a Superstar bolt-thru front wheel, a Raceface Turbine crank, a Brand X dropper, some Hand Dampf soft compound tyres from a PSA on here and a Rental Fatbar Carbon!

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That's the most recent picture I have of it, pre a few of the upgrades.

Keep on thinking about selling it but it costs me nothing to keep running and is always fun to ride pretty much anywhere. It's even done a day at Windhill where it was amazing on the jumps!

Bought this off a friend for 50 quid. Don't use it as much as I should, given we've got Bolehills, Charnock, and Hillsborough pump tracks here in Sheffield.

It is fun when I do get to play on it.

Another vote for the Calibre Dune here. Although it is that heavily modified that it slowly morphed into a highly specced Canyon Dude. It was the gateway to fat bikes though and I still love riding it.

I've kept my Dune completely original except I changed the bars, stem, grips, brakes, complete drivetrain, tyres, dropper post, pedals, bottom bracket, tubeless conversion and saddle.
Apart from that it's 100% original. 😅👍

I am also a fan of the humble Pinnacle Lithium.
I bought a well used example in lockdown for riding to the shops , and gentle bimbling duties .
I renewed the BB , put new wheels and tyres on it , a rear rack and have used it ever since.
It’s my most used bike.
I have actually used it for longer rides too,on gravel routes and it once even did a few laps of the pump track.
It had a functional Shimano Altus drivetrain, the cheapest Shimano hydraulic disc brakes ,etc but seems to ride so much better than the sun if it’s parts.
As the drivetrain needs replaced I’m planning g on giving it some upgrades.

I love my Brand X hardtail. Frame was about £90 on a CRC offer, wheels £100 from superstar and I have 2x10 XT on it which I love the feel of and just works. I probably ride this bike more than my full suspension bike.

Almost a bookend to the OP's post, a 2nd hand Specialized Singlecross. Was about £300 i think and in perfect nick (still is). Used as a winter bike / bridleway basher. Fits me perfectly and the fact it always ran 38mm tyres when my road bikes were 25mm always made it feel so comfy. Am looking at selling it though as I ride another cheap SS bike more these days & should really clear some things out (but feel sentimentally attached to it!)

I was also going to say my Dune, but then remembered this

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Coyote Dual.  Originally bought for about £150 I think and built up with heavy/cheap parts so it could be chucked about and crashed at Chicksands. DMR trailstar replaced it so it became my London commuter. I used to go 'stair hunting' on it, it was so much fun especially racin off the line from the lights. Pretty quick until I ran out of gear.

Gave it away when I stopped working in London.

When I worked in a bike shop, someone wanted to part ex a steel stumpjumper, but the seatpost was seized and we didn’t want to take it. The customer didn’t want it back either so we agreed on a helmet in exchange. I paid trade price for the helmet….. so it was cheap! There was no guarantee we would get the post out, but we managed it. It was turned in to single speed, bargain! Then the slippery slope started….. resprayed, carbon forks etc. this is the pic if it rebuilt with gears before I sold it and moved on to a Bontrager OR. Stumpjumper are always good, the steel ones are fabulous!

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I've had nothing but bargains for the last 30 odd years most notable have been Konas both HT and full bounce, a 456, and a couple of trailstars.

In more recent years I've gotten my hands on a Crashed Merida carbon road frame and DIY repaired it (still going strong), a "wizards sleeve edition" London road (still going strong), a £50 commencal supernormal frame (still going strong), a very cheap stumpjumper frame (still going strong), and most recently a Norco threshold frame for buttons to setup as a CX race bike for next winter and a dirt cheap Ridgeback road bike frameset that serves winter road/commuting duties...

I don't currently own any bikes worth anything like a grand, most have been well under £500 to build up. And although the 'fleet' are all a bit dated there's lots of choice just for little old me when I wander in the Garage.

If £600 counts...a barely used Radon Sage; alu frame, carbon fork, full Sram force 22 groupset with rim brakes, lightweight and silent wheelset.
Wheelset isn't tubeless so a good squirt of Stan's into the tubes and swapped tyres to Conti 4 seasons.
It's great!

My old (2009?) Genesis Day One was a fantastic bike, I used to commute on it and used it for local easier off road (gravel?). I just have put 10,000+ miles on that bike. Only sold it as I was sick of fiddling with v brakes. Would love a disc one. I think the whole bike was £500. Was featured in Singletrack. https://singletrackmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/fresh-goods-28/

My current bargain had been my Stooges (Mark 2), bought as a frame and fork in 2016, I think it was about £600. Built using all the old parts in the garage, the only thing I didn't have was a seatpost clamp, cost me another £15 and it was good to go. It has morphed over time and has had a few newer parts added. I can't see me ever selling it as it's so versatile and fun to ride.

How much is a bargain? My Hello Dave was £1700 in 2021 and rides great at the steep stuff that I'd never have had the bottle to ride before. Most Enduro type bikes cost at least double that.

Well, I suppose cheap and bargains are all relative, but £1700 for a hardtail isn't cheap to me personally! Your stooge sounds great, I'm always keeping an eye out for steel 29ers second hand - it is 1 of many on my ebay watch list!

£400 DMR Trailstar LT, was my only bike for a while, currently dismantled but will be back. It's done everything and is a complete hoot, still got the Rev 426 U Turns it came with.

Bought a P7 for £300 last year, still not sure how I feel about it. Not sure if it's the Alfine but it just feels dead which goes against everyone else's opinion. Still prefer the £150 Dew it was supposed to replace (but is still hanging around).

Carrera Fury 98.

Bought off the brother in law for £200, according to the bike computer he'd done 12 miles before getting a puncture and storing it in the celler for 2 years.

First proper MTB, with deore and rockshox (Judy xc elastomers but still..).

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£300 On-One Inbred SS about 15 years ago – one of the original horizontal dropout, rim brake only frames

2006 version here still all stock except for tyres and chain! Nearly killed me on Somerton combe last year when the rigid forks and unbrakeable speed had me otb, smashing my helmet.

It,s interesting that the most mentioned make so far in this thread is the now regularly ridiculed make. I give you On One. Yes I had a few starting with the white inbred, sadly not 853 but still a great fun bike which took me around Mont Blanc 20 years ago. Then the 456 ti and then the ti version of the Parkwood. Looking back I prefer the steel bike and my current hardtail is a steel Surly Wednesday.

2015 bizango. The yellow one.

£500 new. Great deal.

Over time it got a dropper, Reba, 1x drive train and some deore brakes. Rode it hard for 7 years. Preferring it to my full suss that cost loads loads more.

Great bike. Very capable. Sold it for a big trail which is also fantastic but a significantly price. Though the OEM spec reflects that.

It,s interesting that the most mentioned make so far in this thread is the now regularly ridiculed make. I give you On One

Thought it was part of the STW forum entry rules a few years that you had to own and On One

Can't believe there's another mention of Saracen Zen's on this thread! Picked one up for £50 from eBay in the search for a steel hardtail many many years ago, stuck bits on it from my parts bike. Ended up buying a Manitou 140mm fork for it but almost everything else was spares, it had one white wheel and one black for a lot of it's life! Rode it every weekend, raced it, used it for absolutely everything leaving more expensive bikes in the flat.

It's currently sat with a set of very fast rolling tyres on it for a laugh around pump tracks, just need to do something about the drivetrain as it won't stop jumping despite new jockey wheels.