[Closed] Cheap 29er hooligan hardtail. Does it exist?

Nothing yet afaik

This
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=95437&gclid=COfO4KLEhLYCFaHHtAodhlcAzg

http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/my-new-29er-trek according to MTBR, this is

The Stache has almost identical geometry to at least one other Trek (I am informed), other than the 120mm front that is 1 deg less. So it is said.

Good spot Monkeysfeet. Not my size, though. Anyone got a Honzo and can vouch for its fun-ness?

What else?

Everyone seems to love Solaris. Not hooligan enough for you? They have to go uphill too you know.

Where's the point for you that 'trail' becomes 'hooligan'? What do you want the Inbred doesn't do?

A lot of this is in market positioning I think.

I have a Honzo and its a great bike. A bargain at the reduced prices now. The 2013 has a bolt thru rear end if that's important to you.

Started with a 120mm Reba but changed recently to a 130mm Revelation which has made a far bigger difference than I ever thought. If the trails ever dry up I'm looking forward to getting out on it more.

The Ragley Bigwig is due out soon and is cheaper than most of its competitors. Maybe worth a look?

Solaris is still £500, which I think is a lot.

I'm after something that wants to get its wheels in the air. I'm loving my Inbred but it's more of a roller than a jumper, if that makes sense.

I'd like the playfulness of my 456 but with big wheels

Chumba HX2 frames will be back in stock with us very soon.

£350 for the frame only.

[url= http://www.progressive-bikes.co.uk/product/chumba_hx2/ ]Chumba HX2 29er frame[/url]

I can vouch for a Chumba frame, I had the 26er HX1 which was amazing. Built up into a cracking bike, the EBB means you can run them SS too.

I suspect wheels in the air means short chain stays = on a 29er, tube trickery. Hard to do cheap.

Hmmm ... Chumba. Interesting

Genesis high latitude frame is £350

slack-ish angled, long-forked 29er hardtail?

http://www.evanscycles.com/products/pinnacle/ramin-1-2013-mountain-bike-ec044226

or,

http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_907521_langId_-1_categoryId_165499

Is progressive bikes actually a proper business..? Seems to be a bit on/off - the latter for long periods of time.

There's been several threads on them over the past year or so and I gave up trying to get in touch (email/phone) several months ago.

househusband, really? I always answer emails, and have been in business all this time. I stopped frequenting this forum as much though, had better things to do 🙂

Chumba availability has been patchy (sorted now) but i have always been around 🙂

Sorry if i missed you for whatever reason.

Transition TransAM 29.. 120mm travel, 68 deg HA, 12x142 rear end, solid as a rock. Sometimes available cheap..

http://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/1297990/

Err, yeah!

Do an advanced search on the word 'progressive' in the title on the bike forum over the past year and you'll see the number of times folk have wondered whether you're still going. (It doesn't work trying to post the search result as a link.)

Genesis High Latitude has caught my eye before. It's a definite contender. SS-ability of the Chumba is good though.

Thanks gbo but the Pinnacle and Voodoo seem a bit meh. Draped in low-end kit that I'd want to replace straight away

Anything else I should look at?

Canfield ...there is no substitute ....save your penny's

2nd Ride on the Stache today,seems very playful,rolls well,seemed to like the nasty rocky and mussy tracks i took it on.

I have a Nicolai AC aswell,so the Stache is a 2nd bike,I like it,was great fun,and worked my legs as i had become used to full suspension.
Picking lines and setting myself up soon came back..

The Pinnacle Ramin 3's a better bike at a grand - bolted/taper forks. Dunno about 'hooligan' tho.. just a good trail/xc hardtail imo.

Stache has 15mm forks,142x12 rear,tapered headtube and iscg mount,reverb stealth routing and standard routing,Its sold as a Trail bike.

Thing is, my 26" bikes all seem to urge me to ping them into the air over every little bump, rock or root. This is fun. My 29" Inbred just doesn't. I'm not that bothered about bolt-through this and tapered that, I just want a bike that will act like Tigger.

I just want a bike that will act like Tigger.

etc.

Genesis Mantle is at the cheaper end of things and looks a good balance between £ and

Nicolaisam, meant vs the Ramin 1 at £500, not vs the Trek, dunno much about that tbh. cheezpleez, the Ramin's a pretty 'poppy' bike for a 29er (esp if you space the fork out to 120mm) and if you want that in a 29er I'd look for a stiff fork, wheels, not too long a top tube / rear end, slacker etc. The most playful bikes will be the more extreme geometry bikes though, not the more readily available complete options. Depends what price you're looking at - Pinnacle, Genesis are prob the closest around/at a grand, above that there's more options, the honzo looks like a great deal at £1200. Sorry if that's all stating the obvious )

Thanks, jameso, pretty much my thoughts.

Banshee Paradox - short rear end, very chuckable bike with up to 140mm travel up front.
Genesis High Latitude is also nice but slightly heavier frame and only 100mm travel. Still rides nicely though!

Singular Buzzard @ £400 looks good!

Ragley Bigwig under £400 (when they arrive in a couple of weeks 👿

Had a proper go on a Yelli Screamy today and I now believe the hype. I've never ridden a bike that was so eager to get all sideways and unnecessary. F.U.N.

It's convinced me that I'm after something with similar geometry. The Buzzard looks favourite at the moment but it's looking likely to be a weighty old frame like the Honzo and I'd like to end up with something that's not too much of a porker.

The Genesis High Latitude is also still in the running, although I'm guessing the frame is still chunky. Anyone know frame weight and if they're warrantied to run a 120mm fork?

What's like a Canfield but without the bonkers price tag?

@cheez:

buy singlecrack's yelli buy singlecrack's yelli buy singlecrack's yelli buy singlecrack's yelli buy singlecrack's yelli buy singlecrack's yelli buy singlecrack's yelli buy singlecrack's yelli buy singlecrack's yelli buy singlecrack's yelli buy singlecrack's yelli buy singlecrack's yelli buy singlecrack's yelli buy singlecrack's yelli buy singlecrack's yelli

What's like a Canfield but without the bonkers price tag?

Singlecrack's Yelli Screamy, it's only moderately bonkers.

it's probably very similar to this one

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it's fairly ugly though...

I quite like it actually, it's properly black too. I concede a good bike photo I take don't.

Ha! I'll need to sell some stuff before I can buy anything and I'm in no rush (I keep telling myself, sternly).

I don't agree that the Yelli's ugly. And anyway WGAF when it rides like it does

Oh yeah and my Yelli is not for sale ...

Oh yeah and my Yelli is not for sale ...

At the moment..... 😉

It's just too good to sell

Have you SS'd it? (What did you use for tensioning?)

ahem: http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/canfield-yelli-screamy-frame-1

Ha 'bike frames'. Clink can't keep em ....I can't let em go ....

Matt: you can use the dmr 'simple tension seeker' tensioner on the yelli. Works really well and it tucks up nicely behind the stay so it looks really neat. Only change you need to make is the roller as the one supplied is too narrow to fit a singlespeed chain so I just swapped with an old wider on one roller i had lying around. I used it on mine during winter and it was great in the filth.

There's a bronze Trek Stache in the window of H4TH, it's a beautiful looking bike. IMO Trek have nailed it there as a 'great fun for most people most of the time' hardtail.

But I think, @cheez, for outright playfulness it's still the Yelli for you.

Saracen kili trail 29er's worth a look?

good topic. wouldn't mind buying one myself as an alternative to the 71/73. angled 29er's in my possession.

I guess these long forked bikes would be as capable as most FS bikes in the alps?

I think clink's had all of those bikes.

I think clink's had all of those bikes.

At least I can make my mind up which wheel size to go for! 😉

That Trek Stache 8 is an absolute bargain. Got a demo on one on Friday.

That Yelli Screamy corners on tuppence, a flick of the hips, a little pressure on the bars, then some kind of time compression effect happens and I'm around the corner without any time passing.

Problem is I'm starting to learn the bike and am going straighter for longer, leaving the cornering until the last moment.

This could end badly.

Matt, you're right. Get out now while there's still time 😉

Seriously, though, I've never ridden a bike that was so eager to get sideways.

Fun fun fun funfunFunFUnFUN -> hospital 🙂

That Trek Stache 8 is an absolute bargain. Got a demo on one on Friday.

The 7 is pertier though, if I was buying that'd be a real dilemma. Luckily I'm not.

Let us know what you think of it.

I'm about a month into riding my Stache 7 and it's ace, lots of fun and feels fast too, not as light as I might have hoped but I guess this is down to being my first 29er but it feels plenty quick.

Seems there are lots of 'fast' 29ers about. i'm sure they're great but I want something that's fun first and fast second. I need to try a Stache and FF29 but my gut tells me that - for me - they're likely to be no competition for the Yelli. Buzzard and Honzo are also on the list to try but I'm worried about the weight. After all, most of my mates are buying those 'fast' bikes.

Come on On-One, where's the cheap carbon Yelli-a-like I'm after?

Any 29er with chain stays longer and HA steeper than the Yelli is a fail.

In that "type" of bike anyways 😉

Yup, I reckon you're right

With a couple of rides under my belt, I do too. I keep thinking "what are all the other guys (brands) thinking?".

On paper the Yelli looks a bit too extreme IMO, which is why it took a small company to produce it. But in reality, it's not extreme, it's just fun, and pretty easy to ride too.

Except for the race heads, where weight and pace is the absolute priority, or marathin riders perhaps, I think it would suit anyone who wants to have fun on a bike. Other geometries are starting to feel redundant.

On second thoughts maybe I should buy a Yelli..........

Try 'em both if you can, I've not ridden a Stache.

Trouble is I can't build a Yelli for £1800. Well, not with a spec like the Stache.

That's not really the point tho is it.

@ andycs I reckon you could build a Yelli with a pretty damn good spec for close to that with a little clever shopping

Have been thinking about it most of the afternoon. Going to sit at the laptop and see what I can come up with.

yeah me too

even at rrp
frame 850
forks 300
wheels 300
tyres 50
headset 50

= £1550

strip the rest off your 26

no need for a front mech IMO

cpuld be done a lot cheaper with judicious buying

2nd hand yelli frames seem to go in the 500-600 range

you'll be needing a dropper of course, if budget is tight run it SS and with broomsticks for the forks, but you'll be needing a dropper.

Don't take my comments out of context, when I say fast I don't mean head down arse up race posture. For me it's partly down to moving from a full sus (Heckler) to the Stache so I'm enjoying all the good things about riding on a hardtail over a full suspension bike.

The Stache feels great on Singletrack, leaves the ground as much as I might want it to and feels good when descending encouraging me to go a bit faster still.

No doubt some of the more niche brands have more 'hardcore" options but its the same as comparing any mainstream brand bikes with the smaller companies no matter what wheel size or suspension configuration you might choose.

Sure, st, I guessed you meant 'fast like a 29er hardtail'. They're brill aren't they.

At the risk of reopening the dreary 26 v 29 debate, my admittedly fairly limited experience of 29ers so far suggests that 'normal' length chainstays = very stable and fast but not as playful as the 26in bikes I'm more used to riding. The Yelli on the other hand is probably the most playful mtb I've ever ridden. I'm no geometry expert but I suspect the next bike I buy will be a Yelli or something with similar geometry. That said, I'd love a go on a Stache.

Yelli Screamy wheelbase (medium - 100mm) 1084mm, HA 68 degrees with a 120mm fork
Trek Stache wheelbase (17.5 - 120mm) 1128mm, HA 68.3 degrees with a 120mm fork

so that's only 44mm difference, and the YS wheelbase would be a tad longer with a 120mm fork

can it really make that much difference to the ride?

I reckon the top of the Stache headtube would come out about 15mm lower, as the HT is a tad shorter and it looks to have an integrated lower headset cup, which I think would save a few mm too.

Kona Taro? Like a Honzo but aluminium and cheaper. Frame's presumably a tad lighter too, the Honzo is a bit of a flabby thing.

Well, no Stache demo today, bike not returned to shop yet. Have been giving serious thought to building a Yelli. Would like to get a ride on one but Charlie the Bikemonger is a long way from West Yorks. Does anyone know anywhere that might have one?

I don't think they're easy to find Andy, not many about. According to the Yelli site, CTBM is the 'importer', you can buy direct too tho.

Best give Charlie a ring I'd think, I dno if he has stock or demos.

Mine's in Surrey if you should happen to be down this way any time soon. Size medium.

Andy - Might be worth having a word with Stif if you're up that way. They bring Banshee bikes in these days and might be able to get hold of a Paradox which has similar geometry to the Yelli I believe....albeit not quite as good 😉

Yelli Screamy wheelbase (medium - 100mm) 1084mm, HA 68 degrees with a 120mm fork
Trek Stache wheelbase (17.5 - 120mm) 1128mm, HA 68.3 degrees with a 120mm fork

so that's only 44mm difference, and the YS wheelbase would be a tad longer with a 120mm fork

can it really make that much difference to the ride?

Might be worth having a word with Stif if you're up that way. They bring Banshee bikes in these days