Charger 2 to 2.1 upgrade, muchy of a muchness?

From the discussion I had with TF Tuned, the difference is barely noticeable

I've been pointed in this direction.

https://www.fast-suspension.com/en/mtb-fork-kit/4-25-up-kit-for-fork.html#/15-rock_shox_model-rock_shox_yari/16-maintenance_service-no

That fast thing appears to replace the MoCo, not the charger 2 I think I have.

Luftkappe was a big improvement in my old pike

That fast thing appears to replace the MoCo, not the charger 2 I think I have.

Righto. I have the charger rc, so this was the suggestion over the upgraded rs damper, being a good bit cheaper than the 2.1.

Luftkappe was a big improvement in my old pike

Is tat price right ?, £75, or do you need other bits ?.

Luftkappe is a spring rather than damper though - admittedly they work together but if you're aiming for an 'Ultimate' level fork that'd be the C1 spring change. I had a leaking Charger 2 so took advantage of the german price for the 2.1 and it's noticeably better than a leaky Charger 2 but no idea how it compares to one that's working properly

I went from a Yari with upgraded charger 2 rct3 and a C1 debonair spring to a Lyrik ultimate rc2 which has the same spring I believe. It’s a bit better but it’s not breath takingly better. Incremental gains.

I wouldn't bother, the updated air spring was the bigger improvement, I thought.

Unless it gives you adjustments you don't currently have, but feel you need (e.g. HSC)?

However, what could you sell your fork for - and so what would be the cost of changing to that Pike Ultimate?

That would get you the damping upgrade, plus everything else brand new with a fresh warranty. I'd be tempted by that.

Checked the airdrop sale and those ultimates are a different offset and at 150mm travel, too long travel (by 10mm) so would probably need to change the air spring/travel. Makes them less viable.

It risk of being drawn in by marketing spiel, with RS saying the 2.1 is waaaay better than the two. It was just a thought as while I’ve done plenty of lower leg services and debonair, the damper hasn’t been looked at in four/five years and a service was coming in close enough to upgrading to a new 2.1.

In that case, damper upgrade makes a lot of sense.

I'd bloody hope it feels better than one that's not been serviced for five years.

Yes, I’ve just checked the sram instructions and a “service” seems fairly straightforward to do diy, not as easy as the air spring. I think I must have glazed over when I saw all the shim stacks in the manual and thought, “nah, they’ll end up all over the garage floor”. That’s the faff for a home custom tune and not a boggo standard bleed.

You'll notice a far bigger difference going to a RC2 over RCT3 than Charger 1.0-2.0.
I upgrade a A1 Pike from RCT 1.0 to 2.0 last year because it was cheaper than buying the service kit at the time.
As far as I remember that fork has a Deb B airshaft and the other A1 Pike has a charger 1.0 RCT 3 and Luftkappa

Is tat price right ?, £75, or do you need other bits ?.

Shaft clamp
(£15 ebay for 3d printed ones)

I’d bloody hope it feels better than one that’s not been serviced for five years.

I'd not assume its serviceable then.... unless you've done lowers services very frequently

Mines an A2. I did update the debonair, but the first version of the red cap as the later one isn't compatible.

Damper did look super intimidating to service with all the shims but that’s my oversight, top reading if you must.

Damper did look super intimidating to service with all the shims but that’s my oversight, top reading if you must.

Best thing I found was to edit the PDF and remove all the stuff not relevant to what you're doing. That's stuff you aren't doing but also alternate dampers etc.

It's amazing how much smaller and less intimidating it is.

As you get more practiced it can be edited (slimmed) more.