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Oh... I want one of these! Looks such a nice bike for all round UK riding. Perfect balance of suspension travel, gearing and fairly light weight for a trail bike. Anyone own/ridden one?
At that sort of price I'd very much rather have a Tallboy - 40-50% off models at Stif:
https://www.stifmtb.com/collections/santa-cruz-tallboy
If you can find a bargain santa cruz in your size then they look good. But tyre seen pretty limited now. I think wheelbase has some too
I have an older cf7. With the newer geometry they should be even better. Support from Canyon has been pretty good
One of our kids has a Neuron AL6 from last year. It's a bit chonky, but nothing lighter components won't fix as he wears them our or breaks them, if that's a priority. Rides really nicely, and he has given it a battering and loves it.
Not ridden a neuron, but I'm not convinced by the tallboy. I demoed one and it descended impressively well for such short travel but was equally impressively poor on techy climbs. Epic 8 descends very nearly as well while climbing far better.
I suspect other modern 120mm XC bikes are similar; the tallboy was good when it was new but there has been a lot of development in 120mm bikes in the past few years.
If I start a thread titled "tell me about the Santa Cruz Tall Boy", will I get responses about the Canyon Neuron instead ? (asking for a friend)
I thought you’d bought a Chisel fs months ago!
I have. I built my Chisel FS frame up and it's a brilliant short travel XC bike (120mm). Half an eye on swapping out my Giant Trance (150mm) for the Canyon. Running one XC bike and one "light" trail bike. Hence no interest in other 120/130mm bikes like the Hightower, the Canyon is 140mm.
It's not. Neurons are 130mm at the back.
And a Hightower is a 160/150 bike.
At 130mm the Neuron is a Tallboy rival, like it or not. Thought it was useful flagging up the half price Tallboys to someone who's considering a near £4k Canyon rival, but clearly not 🙄
The 140mm was referring to the front travel on the Canyon. The Tallboy in the link above is 130mm front and 120mm rear, not sure where the Hightower came into this ?
I think the Neuron might be too close to your chisel then. Something like an Occam with 140/150mmm would still be light but give you a bit of differentiation. Or at 130/140mm look at the Ibis Ripley. If you’re set on the Neurin, Flowmtb did a review of the carbon version a while back and it was positive - have a look at that if you haven’t seen it.
Yeah, a 140/130 bike would seem very close if you already have a chisel!
Yeah, a 140/130 bike would seem very close if you already have a chisel!
Disagree on that. I've a 120/120 Orbea Oiz and 140/125 Canyon Spectral 125 and they ride very differently to each other. Main reason is geometry though, the Spectral is 3 degrees slacker at front.
My problem with the Neuron is the geometry is more XC bike than trail bike.
Old oiz or new? I've not ridden one but from all the scouring of reviews the latest gen oiz isn't quite up there with the best descending XC bikes and the previous 120 mm one was a relatively old school XC bike with a travel bump.
I have an epic 8, which should ride fairly similarly to chisel, and a nuke proof reactor (150/130 mm). I rarely ride the reactor now as the weight penalty doesn't feel worth the descending benefits, so the window where it comes out instead of the XC or enduro bikes has pretty much vanished. The reactor looks fairly close to the canyon on paper, if slightly slacker, so I would expect a similar result, but of course preferences vary from person to person.
I have a neuron CF 8 2023 frame and built it up light ie 27lbs but with burly trail tyres and it’s superb, and my other bike is an epic 8 set up as xc racing 24lbs, and there defo is a difference, not much but for what I ride I love them both.
I have the Neuron CF8 AXS, bought last year before the new models were launched and got a real bargain and absolutely love it. Perfect all rounder.
Old oiz or new? I've not ridden one but from all the scouring of reviews the latest gen oiz isn't quite up there with the best descending XC bikes and the previous 120 mm one was a relatively old school XC bike with a travel bump.
New Oiz, 67 deg head angle.
Point being, in order to have a different feeling bike to a Chisel, it needs to be slacker than a Neuron in my opinion, regardless of travel.