eddiebaby - Member
Get down the garage and buy her a bunch of flowers. Always works.** This may be urban myth
If they're all out of flowers, then a box of Ferrero Rocher and a can of Castrol GTX should do the trick. This also applies to birthdays and Christmas.
Slowly cracking...... The Trigger 4 looks more tempting every time I look at it!
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Wouldn't linkages be made up with sealed bearings and dry bushes, would they be ok to lube?
TBH it seems to be just as it rebounds and sounds more like something from the shock as if it's venting something. Hard to explain...
Been watching this thread for 2 weeks and thought by now everything would be out of stock but nooooooo! I finally cracked and pressed 'buy' so a Trigger 3 is on its way!
Didn't bother with the flowers just came back with a big grin on my face from my first ride, it was bloody fab. Had trouble getting the wheels to run tubeless so stuck the tubes back in and headed out!
Did any of you lucky owners that bought a Trigger from Paul's cycles have the bike delivered by TNT? If so did your tracking number from Paul's work on the link they send? Mine claims the number does not exist grrr
Aye mine came with TNT, didn't get chance to use the tracking number, it was here less than 24hrs after I ordered it!
Yes mine was TNT. Number didn't work for a while, but updated eventually.
Tracking No wasnt live till day after dispatch. Arrived and was well packaged with not so much as a scratch so i wouldnt worry to much.
Thanks for the calming replies 🙂
So it seems like it's TNT being a bit rubbish, why have tracking on a 24hr delivery that doesn't work until after delivery? lol
Ordered mine 10:30am last Wednesday, arrived the following morning at 10am.
I'm getting a wee bit twitchy waiting for mine as I ordered it on the 20th September but needed a Saturday delivery and I couldn't be around last Saturday, oh well nearly done waiting
Tnt did seem slow to update for me too.
Anyways despite moaning about squeaky shock i have enjoyed being overbiked on some über foggy overbiked commutes this week and owe this thread some pics, thanks OP 🙂
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TPT with some Steetly Quarry tracks on the way home to test the 140 travel, compared to a hardtail it was a blast and did a couple of lines that I normally chicken out on, those brought on big grins 😀
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Looks like the locals had been having fun too, was still smouldering 🙄
Nice bike, coming from old hard tail and 08 specialized fsr xc (yes, harrythespiders comments egged me on to buy too!)
It does work well, did the TPT 16 mile each way commute with no trouble, despite it feeling quite heavy to shoulder it really does have an efficient peddling feel with no bobbing and feels light peddling despite the weight when picked up. Then when doing some proper stuff in 140 mode it eat it all up!
Wolverine tires seem ok so far with just a couple of slides when pushed but have only been in dry conditions so far.
Hope the pics work!
Trigger 3 arrived unannounced yesterday while I was out got back home 11 last night to find a note from TNT that my neighbours had it - it was too late to knock them up so I thought wait til Saturday morning! Rang bell. Could see trigger in their hallway but they seem to have gone away for the weekend aaaaaarrrrgg so close!
Well, I've put a few miles on mine (Trigger 4) in the last two days. A nice little cross country loop yesterday (15 miles) and a somewhat longer (38 miles) ride out to and around Llandegla today. A few thoughts and observations:
1. The short travel mode was a revelation. Really effective and gave the bike an unexpected amount of "zip" on cross country routes. It's never going to be a race bike (29lbs), but it was thoroughly enjoyable. Works really well when combined with the "Trail" setting on the forks.
2. Toggling in the full travel setting makes a pronounced difference (which was nice). Again, there was another surprise here - this bike isn't plush. And I mean that in a good way. It doesn't wallow and blow through its travel - it uses just the amount required and no more. I like this, it means that even at 140 it feels pretty taut. But if you like your full sussers soft and squidgy, I don't think you would find this one too satisfying.
3. It squeaks like mad. Every time the suspension cycles it gives a little squeak from either the shock or the linkage. It didn't do this on Friday's ride, but it started straight out of the garage this morning. It got steadily worse for a few hours, then improved on the ride home. But it squeaks with every pedal revolution... maddening!
4. The Fox forks were much better than those I've used before. But bare in mind that's a few years ago and I'm comparing them to older open bath versions. These seemed to be a little firmer, and certainly kept the front of the bike propped up much better under braking. The three settings were distinct, with "climb" being most of the way to a lock out - I just used this setting on the road. You could push through this damping threshold, which felt slightly odd - I initially though there was an odd knock until I twigged what was happening. A little less weight on the bars cured this. I think I'm too used to my Maguras, which you could "crush" down into their travel.
5. SLX - ain't it great! I was a bit concerned about dropping from XTR to SLX, but honestly, the SLX kit performed brilliantly. Obviously a bit heavier, and maybe a shorter life span, but functionally spot on (at least for the grand total of just over 50 miles so far).
Oh, I'm not running the stock wolverines (I know these tyres don't suit me having used them before). I switched straight over to Ardents run tubeless. And since I had plenty of spare Ashima AiRotors around, these are on too - so my "stock" wheels are a good deal lighter than they were when they came out of the box. I also fancied trying 1x10, so I have a single 34t ring up front (and the original crankset, mech and front shifter are in a box). 34 / 36 is a pretty tough ratio up some of the climbs in the Clwyds, but is fine on road sections and at Llandegla.
Current verdict? Very, very happy with the performance. And that performance for a grand is just superb! The only downside is that damn squeak. I'll have to fix it or it's a deal breaker, which would be a real shame. I'll give Paul's a call on Monday to see what they can offer in the way of advice. On the subject of Paul's, this was one of the best prepped bikes I've bought - virtually nothing needed adjusting and it was all really well packed.
Sorry, rambled on a bit. Hope that is of use to anyone considering one.
That's great stuff mttm, my trigger 2 gets delivered on Monday, can't wait to get my birthday prezzie to myself!
That's great stuff mttm, my trigger 2 gets delivered on Monday, can't wait to get my birthday prezzie to myself!
The tent number doesn't work until the driver has picked it up and scanned it, or somert like that.
Mine showed unknown number for the first day or two after ordering
For the sqeak i put a smear of fork lube on the shock seal and that cured it for me. I risked my finger while sat on the bike. Probably not the best way from a keeping your finger perspective.
Tried the fork oil on the shock seal, but it didn't make any difference on mine. It seemed to be coming from that general area though, and just squeezing the top shock mount appeared to shut it up. I've taken this out, cleaned it all with IPA and reassembled to the specified 8Nm. It's certainly different now - still there but quieter. Work in progress.
My trigger carbon 2 delivered a week ago and looks great but the wife is making me wait till Christmas Day!!! It's killing me!
My trigger carbon 2 delivered a week ago and looks great but the wife is making me wait till Christmas Day!!! It's killing me!
What happens if there is a warranty problem? I think you really need to test it out now 🙂
I took my Trigger 2 to Afan today, and did a 40mile loop taking in W2, Penhydd and Blue Scar. It was great around there. I don't ride at Afan much, but last time I did a similar ride there I was on an Epic 29er (admittedly that ride was a bit further, with no stops). Looking on Strava I was surprised to see that climbing times on the Trigger were fairly similar to the Epic. Riding it was noticeable that on loose rocky/pebble climbs the Trigger in the 85mm mode had loads of traction and just rode over the loose stuff, whereas the Epic would always skip around a bit. Although on the ups the extra bulk of the Trigger was evident. A lot of the descents at Afan are fairly xc, but in some areas the shallower head angle and extra travel of the Trigger gave a lot more confidence and speed, Time to sell the Epic I think.
No squeaks from the rear shocks. In my experience those sorts of noises could come from anywhere, on one of my full suss bikes I eventually traced it to a cable moving in the cable guide.
So tempted by the Jekyll on there ! Any one know what the fit/sizing is like on them? I'm 5'11" and usually go for a large frame but the size charts I've looked at recommend a medium frame.
I have got a large trigger 4 and I am 6'2". I was really thinking about going for an extra large, but quite glad I didn't. I can pedal it well with about 3 inches of post out and the front end seems quite roomy. However this is my first full sus bike which isn't a dh bike. I don't know how the sizing of the trigger and the Jelykl match up, but I'd guess they would be pretty similar. My mate who is 5'10 sat on mine, and could pedal it about efficiently with about 1 inch out the seat post. They are longer in the reach than I expected tbh.
I'm just over six foot and got a large trigger 2 have about a inch of post maybe inch a a quarter showing.
Coming from a long ish xtc bike the reach seems fine
Sideshow - I emailled Paul's to ssk for advice. I'm 5'10-ish and they recommended a medium Jekyll for me. Decided to go for a Trigger, which is medium and seems fine.
Come on 8 pages and 3 or so pics so far...
Let's see some pics of these new bikes.. Particularly interested in the carbon trigger 2..
What's peoples thoughts on the lefty? My immediate reaction is to take it off and put a pike on it..
Lefty is a great fork ive no intention of removing it. Still fiddling with shock pressures and seeing how low i can go. Might convert to 1x the mavic tyres are pants. Rides alot like my old prophet but stiffer and swaps between xc and trail from the bars instead of unbolting stuff.
Can I just say... You ALL owe me £999.
Not individually, of course - that would be madness.
No thanks to this thread, I've now gone and bloody well ordered one. I don't even ride bikes anymore for god's sake!
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Sideshow, you are the same height as me, you'd want a medium. Height and reach work well with dropper post at either end of up and down, suggest you set your seatpost height with the travel in the shorter setting
Goldigger leave the lefty on it's fab
Another gorgeous carbon that chunky.
The only reason I could think of for swapping out the Lefty, would be compatibility with other front wheels. It is a really nice fork to ride.
You do get a few strange looks due to the Lefty fork. My wife has one as well, so it looks pretty normal to me:
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Been out for a quick twenty miles around the Clwyds tonight (a reward for refelting the shed roof). Dropped the pressures in the suspension a smidge and it now feels spot on. It's gone from "taut," to "supple" - a fine distinction but a noticeable one. It still feels remarkably efficient though. I had a host of PBs tonight, most of them on climbs! And this on a 29lb AM machine. I can't help but wonder just how quick one of the plastic ones would be...
Jasson that looks just like a spot nr pirbright that i used to ride. Another 2 lefty family aswell. Another big +point on the lefty is the service intervals compared to others.
Finally got round to building mine up today. First thing was how well packed the bike was in the box - big thumbs up to Pauls for that.
The first problem I had was that the Magura's are imount and I was wanting to fit my standard clamp Saint/Zee combo and put the X9 on my Prophet. Decided to leave the X9 on, ride it and swop it out to XT 11 speed in a few months (I love Shimano's double upshift feature)
Ripped the front mech and double set up off and fitted a direct mount Raceface NW.
Had some serious head scratching with the shock - set it up for my weight according to the manual and it was rock hard. Ended up dropping the pressure right down to get some sag.
Quick ride tonight though and feels as though there is too much compression damping as the rear end is kicking over square edge bumps - need to have a read up/tinker with pressures I think.
A few things that would piss me right off if I paid full retail are the fact it doesn't have any chain stay protection other than a flimsy bit of tape and the sag-o-meter for the shock is an extra £17, how the hell do you measure sag on a pull shock otherwise???? Needs cable guides on the headtube area as the cables drop and rub on the fork crown area.
Otherwise for the £1600 (plus £50 for the NW) its a bargain.
New and old (both XL's);
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How much for your old bike, mr? 😉
Rusty, you have too much negative pressure in the shock as the piston is moving out the shock. Takes a bit of faffing the rear shock and sadly having to buy the sag lever is an arse, but worth doing. I was bottoming out and struggling to set it up without it. Weird how my 26 er Jekyll came with a massive downtube protector, MRP chain device and a thick plastic chainstay protector. Shame how they cut these out the later bikes. Mine was from Pauls from last years bargain 2013 bikes.
parkesie, well spotted 😀
rustynisssan, there is an online video of how to set up the shock (it might be linked to in this thread?) Basically let out all negative air, then connect shock pump to positive valve, once the connector is screwed on enough to register pressure it then needs a further turn to open the second chamber, at this point you can see the pressure rise on the gauge. Set the positive pressure and then set the negative pressure. When I set mine up I didn't see the second rise in pressure, but suggested pressures worked fine. 2015 ones are fitted with the sag-o-meter, and a rubber chain stay protector.
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Thanks for the info guys. Will have a read/watch/tinker.
Regarding the downtube protector - I dont think Cannondale have made one for the alloy 2015's yet, the carbon model .has bolt on cable guides that mount the protector.
No sag-o-meter on mine or in the box.
Came on to voice my observations after it's second ride, after some fettling.
Not right terrain to comment on first ride.
Set shock up to suggested psi and found like I wasn't getting that much travel - very wooden and not plush at all. Feels very different to my single pivot Meta which has the same travel. I was going to drop the pressures in each can til I got some bounce - low and behold the last few posters have similar issues.
When the back end is compressed there is now a noticeable squeak when the bike is stationary - oddly this isn't so noticeable when riding - other people on this thread have it too.
The Fox are quite harsh too - might need to play with them.
Another thing - it rattles - a lot. Noticed it more last week and traced it to a very loose black plastic top on the Deore front mech - sorted with some Blu-Tak on the underside (out of site)!
Pleased I got the bike (Trigger 4) - I think I'll love it more when the ride itself feels better.
Stock pressures were way too firm for me. Tried the ones below my weight category, as suggested in the manual - still not enough sag. Dropped halfway to the next settings, much better. Now gone to the settings two steps below my weight category - spot on. So just keep dropping those pressures.
Well I ended up getting one for the missus and probably cocked up by getting a medium (Trigger 4) as she's just finding it too much bike for her, especially around climbing switchbacks. Perhaps the small would have been better, or maybe it's just the general overkill for the sort of riding she's doing. At only 55kg (ish) and only comfortable riding blues, she's finding its weight too hefty and really what she probably needs is a Fuel or an Anthem type bike. I on the other hand have been bloody impressed by it and am doing my very best to not get one for myself. I think the travel and geometry change is genius. Wish it fitted me...
Alas, it'll be going up for sale after only 3 rides 🙁
The squeaking by the way is most likely from the sag guide. There's a video on youtube of someone with the same issue and cured it with a bit of silicon spray on the sag thingy. Try it..
Should have got the carbon 2 🙂
My shock used to make strange noises if the negative air wasn't completely emptied before setting positive air and also if the negative air pressure was too close to the positive setting.
Yeah. For myself before they put it up by £200!
Has anyone elses Jekyll been shipped with a sag meter and a chainstay guard?
Rusty - my Trigger had both - sorry 😉
Spent a couple of hours on my Trigger 2 at BPW over the weekend, overall I'm still impressed with it. It climbs well although it would be nice if the Lefty travel could be dropped, on the steep gravelly climb at the start the Lefty wanted to wander a bit unless I concentrated, traction was great though in 85mm mode and didn't really notice any pedal bob.
Was nice and stable on the downs (I stuck to blues so can't really comment on how good it is on technical stuff).
No hand ache though which was good, not sure if it's just the smoother trails or if the Lefty is loosening up a bit.
Only niggles I have are firstly, the front wheel off in/out of the car is a bit more of a PITA than I'd like - I haven't found the magic way of putting the wheel on where the hub bolt instantly catches (took me well over a minute one time but maybe I'm just useless), secondly the saddle creaks a bit (it's def torqued up enough but not sure if it's the saddle or the Lev's fault - think I'm going to switch the saddle anyway as it's a bit narrow for my liking). Also a couple of times I've gone to drop the Lev and it's either not moved or gone down a couple of inches and stuck (almost like if the seat clamp was overly tight but it stops at different places).
Finally - is anyone else worried about the brake caliper dangling about when the wheel is off? I'm pretty careful loading it into the car but still it must put a bit of strain on the hose/caliper clamping - not really sure there's any solution though?
Fuzzywuzzy, great feedback on the Trigger. On the lefty you can lock it dowwn/unlock with the red\blue combo at the top of the stanchion.
I am with you on the front wheel faff, but still easier than the four bolts I had on my my fox 36s a few years back.
For the brake caliper I think am going to make/bodge something together to keep it safe as I think it has the potential for an expensive accident. Might be that massive lump of blue foam that the lefty axle was stuck in when the bike arrived.
Rusty - my Jekyll had both. Might be model option/reduced kit thing. Phone Paul's, I am sure they will help.
Thanks, have emailed Pauls.
Ordered last Saturday, arrived on the Tuesday. Missed first TNT delivery attempt, about an hour after phoning up to say I'd collect it myself from the depot there was a knock on the door and a friendly TNT chappie bearing a big gift in the form of a Trigger 3. Great service. Great service by Paul's as well, bike well assembled and excellently packaged. As for the price, no idea how they are doing it but thanks to Paul's for a great bike at a crazy price. Never thought I'd be on such a high end bike again, what with commitments an' all. Thanks to my other half as well for giving me the go ahead, the bike's not been ridden yet due to work and home commitments but I'm looking forward to getting back out there and rediscovering the love for biking that I used to have before a foot injury sidelined me.
Of course, big thanks to the OP for the PSA.
Another one here hovering over the "buy" button for a trigger 4 from Pauls. Am 5'8 and 30 inch inside leg. I am ALWAYS between bike sizes - mediums just feel a bit too big to hop and jump about and I always seem to be a bit too over the front on smalls.
Currently thinking about a small to move around a bit easier.
Any other slightly shorter riders out there on one got any thoughts??
sammiye, im the same size as you and im always a medium!
Cheers Kimbers.
Maybe a medium and a shorter stem then.. What is the stock stem length on these? Looks quite long on chillnflow's pics!
A word of caution for all you new Trigger owners. My rear mech got tangled in the spokes, destroying the mech in the process & doing some cosmetic damage to the frame.
This happened after a few successful rides around the streets, and half a lap of the glentress skills loop with 0 issues - so I don't think it was a simple bent hanger/mech in transit. Very odd - but difficult to diagnose retrospectively.
I reckon you may want to verify that everything is properly tightened down there, and that the limit screws are set correctly to avoid this catastrophe.
Luckily, Alpine Bikes @ GT sorted me out with a Deore downgrade in 10 minutes - so I got to try the new bike properly. Huge grins - it's my first FS, and quite a step up from a 7 year old Orange P7. I'm just glad I decided to have a quick shakedown before going on a big ride!
I'm waiting to see what Paul's have to say - it's such a lot of bike for the money that I'm not going to be to upset with whatever they come back with.
😀Of course, big thanks to the OP for the PSA.
We aim to please. I havent got mine yet as OH wants to get me to check my sizing. 😕
Well I finally caved in and put an order in for a Trigger 4. will have the Ghost AMR in the free ads once its cleaned up. Thanks for all the info, pics and reviews.
paulkm, a shame for that to happen on a new bike 🙁 I had an issue on mine that the b-screw wasn't screwed in far enough, so while the mech would shift up the block okay, it would get stuck on the largest sproket and wasn't able to shift back down. That problem was evident on the first ride, so I doubt yours was the same issue if you had ridden it a few times.
60mm stem on the large frames.
How quickly have Paul's been getting these out the door? I see there is a notice saying that there is delays in shipping due to demand
I see that the Trigger 3 and 4 come with a 51mm offset fork - is this a non-standard offset? Was thinking of putting my near-new relelations on (if I ever get round to ordering before they all sell out
I've sold 2 bikes which needed shifting. So have paid off the Trigger already.
Ordered Sunday - there on Tues. (2 weeks ago when it was more under the radar).
I took delivery of my Trigger 2 (size M) from Paul's Cycles last Thursday and covered a 36m route on it yesterday. Great climber and epic descender, feeling very solid and planted.
Though I'm 5'10'' with a 30" inside leg it felt too small for me, I usually ride 29" hard-tails (both M) however i tend to ride 99% XC between 40 -60+ miles at a time and the larger frames of the 29ers suite my style better.
So bargain of the century £1799 (no negotiation) plus delivery (free if local) and I will buy a large instead of getting a longer stem. Bike is obviously mint, any inspection welcome and can provide all the recent receipts etc. Am sure the warranty will be transferrable as well.
If interested please pm me.
Lesson to be learnt. Go on a proper bike ride on your chosen stead before handing over your hard earned : )
Still, great bike though!!
anyone else's carbon 2 triggers turned up, love to see some pics!
and more impressions
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Shockblade at the front and X-Blade at the back, they attach and detach in seconds.
Thats a neat cable guide Chunky, where do you get it from?
Strangely enough I ordered one of those cable guides yesterday. I got mine from Qwerty Cycles, it looks a bit different to the one above, but same idea. There are also a few for sale on eBay.
Further to my rear mech troubles above... If I use the large sprocket & the large chainring & compress the suspension, then the rear mech touches the sprockets. I guess this could bump it into the spokes.
I know I shouldn't (& don't) cross chain like this, but surely the chain's too short if this situation can occur?
I don't know if this is what caused my problem - too shocked to remember what gear I was in!
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Chains to short...
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Looks like Cannondale are the ones at fault then. Disappointing that it's been looked at by at least two mechanics, neither of whom picked up on it.
Interesting comments with regards to the mech problems. On my first ride I got stuck in the small ring, it was ok at first, big ring all most of the way to the woods, small for a climb through a field, then big ring again the rest of the way to the woods. Spent the whole time in the woods in the small ring. Went to shift back in to the big ring for the ride home, but there was no movement.
On getting home I checked it out. Had to pull a bit more cable through and tighten, adjust the limiter screw a bit and fine tune with the barrel adjuster. Was fine when I got out at the weekend.
Or Alpine shortened the chain/removed a damaged link when they fitted the new rear mech.
Mmmm. Triple ring probably shouldn't use big ring big cog or else if the chain is extended enough for that you may lose it. Swings and roundabouts. Doubles should get away with it. IMHO.
Scotjohn - thank you! The squeak was indeed from the sag indicator. Sounded so much worse and I was very sceptical it could be that inoffensive little guide causing that noise. But, unfastened it and noise stopped completely. Retightened it and the squeak kicked off again. Applied a tiny bit of silicone lube to it... silence. Very, very happy! 🙂
Rorschach - I guess so. No way to know really.
eddiebaby - yeah - I would never normally ride like that (though not for chain length reasons - I was just always taught not to cross chain since my first 2x10 'racer'). That's not to say I didn't ride like that when I was basically test riding a new bike though.
