[Closed] Cannondale Supersix or Synpase? And cheapest online places?

Paul's Cycles were always the cheapest for 'Dales last time I looked.

might help if you mention which one you are looking at? Sora equipped Synapse are £560 or carbon ultegra disc is £2k

And yes.. generally Paul's is the place for Cannondale deals.

It would depend if I were racing or sportiving

Paul's is great for previous years models usually but they've sold out of all the usual stuff it seems so they are same price as all others at the moment.

Ideally 105 (must be carbon in either).

I looked at caad12's but a few reviews do reveal that the ALU rides great 'for a aluminium frame' and it's intended purpose.

To help simplify things:

Supersix = Racer fit

Synapse = Mamil fit

Sadly, I know which one I am, but what are you 😀

I thought it was the other way round bugga the Synpase is spendier too 🙁

I'd take a Supersix because i've found racey geometry seems a more natural fit for me, i've felt a bit squashed on bikes with sportive geometry.

Best bet is to find a local dealer and go sit on both. Or at least compare geometry chart to your current bike.

There's not a huge difference in stack & reach measurements between the two tbh. You might just fit one better than the other. Main difference I'd say is in the slightly more relaxed angles and longer wheelbase of the Synapse.

Best bet is to find a local dealer and go sit on both. Or at least compare geometry chart to your current bike

This really ^

I'd take a Supersix because i've found racey geometry seems a more natural fit for me, i've felt a bit squashed on bikes with sportive geometry.

Same here.

But you size down for your MTB don't you Hora? So if the Synapse is shorter reach, that could be more up your street.

And where do you stand on speed vs. comfort?

See who will do either with a free bike fit to save us all hours of [s]entertainment [/s] pain in a few weeks time?

Check out Drakes Cycles in Leeds http://www.drakescycles.co.uk/offers.php?cat=1

They have Synapse, Supersix & Caad in their 'offers' section; multiple builds mainly Shimano but a couple of SRAM.

Proper shop but will also send if you're not within reasonable travelling distance.

Matthew Drake is the best guy to deal with.

Wheelbase are good at the mo. I recently got the synapse DI2 disc for 1k off.

[url= http://www.wheelbase.co.uk/catalogsearch/result/?q=synapse+ultegra ]Here[/url]

I've had the carbon supersix and personally found it rather uncomfortable with the race geometry, which is not what I do.

Got rid and got a synapse which I prefer . I only do road rides occasionally and the super six was a bit like a magpie bike...nice and shiney so I bought it. Lovely bike but not for me.

http://www.sigmasport.co.uk/item/Cannondale/Synapse-Disc-Adventure-Road-Bike-2016/9FCY very good bike for the money now. I should know I've got one.

Don't race,but have found the super six comfortable. Bought mine after testing several sportive style bikes including a synapse. Reluctantly agreed to testing the super six and just loved it. Feels fast and fun.

super6 is one of the lightest frames available
Synapse is one of the most comfortable

If you're fairly flexible and have a strong core the suoer6 will be great for long days in the saddle go for the synapse, both great bikes though.

Gimmie a shout as i have some 2016 models of both in store i'm keen to sell trough if you decide to pull the trigger! 😉

JB

super6 is one of the lightest frames available

Really? Mine (14) was >1.1kg. My 09 CR1 is <1kg

Dismissing the CAAD12 because its aluminum? Jesus wept, keep reading the moronic reviews.

I had a CAAD10, it rode as well as my Supersix, only weighed 200gm more.

I've got a Supersix and find it very comfortable. Thats as an ex-racer though and I've had some pretty stiff frames! The thing i've noticed most though is just how well it handles. I can really chuck it round bends and it just tracks perfectly, very confident and great fun!

Mines the Ultegra 11-speed from 2015. Wheels are a bit crap (Aksiums) but useable. Recently tried some £1800 Cosmic Pro Carbons which looked sexy as f*** and were very comfy, climbed well, but didnt make me £1800 faster. I'll stick with dull Aksiums for now.

Got some matching stickers for my bus too 😉

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@cynic-al: Is your Supersix a hi-mod version? Should come in a fraction under 1kg. Also clever weight savings on headset aparantly which dont show up on the usual frame+fork weights.

Why's it between the two Cannondales OP? Though I would love a Supersix Evo, why not Giants etc? Surely TCR/Defy are the standard?

CAAD12 ftw if it were my money.

I've got a 2014 (I think!) Supersix 105 and I did back to back test rides with a Synapse before I bought. Apart from frame geometry, specs were very similar.
Synapse definitely not as spritely as the Supersix and I'll echo what most people have said about the way it handles (beautifully!) & accelerates (short chain stays help) and I find it pretty comfortable on reasonably long rides
The Synapse felt very sluggish by comparison.

BTW: I'm definitely not a racer but do like to hammer occasionally, and I'm not particularly flexible either, though I did have to add a longer stem (6'4" on a 60cm frame)

I think it depends on what SuperSix also; I have a SuperSix HM which is very comfortable to ride. I recently rented a standard SuperSix, same size etc (10mm shorter stem) ... but was noticeably less responsive, and comfortable.

Ultimately they are different tools for different jobs.
What do you want to do with it? Long chilled rides, flat out blasts?

I'm impressed with the comfort of the the carbon synapse frame but I picked up a DI2 disc as a long distance winter bike.
The standard wheels are pap so replaced with Reynolds assaults and Schwalbe s-ones 700/30. Huge improvement in feel and handling.

It's quick - comfortable and very capable. However, it's isn't and out and out rip your bibs race bike.

Rather than random impulse button pressing, why not go to a bicycle shop and try some out 🙂

The Supersix Hi Mod is supposed to be around 700g for the frame?

I'd go for the Supersix personally, rented one in lanzarote and did ~350 miles on it, liked it enough that I'd buy one if I was in the market and keep searching for deals on Hi Mods.

Sigma Sport and Cyclescheme have a promo on this month for the Supersix Tiagra; SS reduce the price then you get it on cyclescheme, works out at about £650 if you're lower rate tax payer, £570 if higher rate.

For the month of October, Sigma Sport and Cyclescheme have teamed up to offer you the chance to get a new bike at an absolutely unbeatable price.

The Deal

You can get a Cannondale SuperSix Evo worth £1299.99 on Cyclescheme for £660.00 or less – a level of discount that cannot be matched on the high-street.

The bike is this year’s model and it's brand spanking new.

Have an email with full details and instructions if you're interested.

Dismissing the CAAD12 because its aluminum? Jesus wept, keep reading the moronic reviews.

Are we forgetting the OP is Hora?

I also have a SuperSix and absolutely love it, its the same as 40mpg's but heavily upgraded with loads of lovely bits carbon bits and Cannondale Spider rings. Defiantly recommend the bike however pay close attention to the sizing, mine is a 54 but sizes more like a 56. Also be prepared to chase a creaking BB but this is solvable with a TorqTite BB instead of the press fit bearings.

Lastly if you want my Supersix then its soon going to be up for sale for £1100....sorry for the advert there.

The moronic reviews?

Bikeradar's is glowing. The others like it but point out, whilst another makes subtle references across to carbon.

I use bikeradar's as the gold standard of reviews to ignore.

I size down on mtb's but go with sizing on road. I've got a long back, diddy legs though so I have to physically test ride on road bikes. Evans have both within 20miles so I'll have a spin

Cannondale do come up bigger than most. I'm normally a 58, but I'm a 56 all day long on 'Dales. 6ft2 for reference.

i've had both a Caad10 and SuperSix - both were lovely, I actually preferred the CAAD10 because it was black, like the night. Ride quality was pretty similar between the two (all the components were the same - DA with reynolds wheels)

Why are you looking for a road bike, didn't you build a ritchey road logic and then sell it as road wasn't for you?

I could do you a good price on a 2nd hand but lightly used 56cm synapse carbon if you asked nicely.

I have just bought a 2014 CAAD10 frame and built it up with Ultegra and some nice other bits. I'm running Ultegra wheels with Hutchinson tubeless tyres (it's my new winter bike). I'm 6ft but went for a 54 as it's a racy geometry and very stretched out – I wouldn't want a 56. The ride is fantastic – it's hard to tell that it's an aluminium frame.

TurnerGuy - Member

Why are you looking for a road bike, didn't you [b]buy a PX Pro Carbon and then sell it as road wasn't for you and then [/b] build a ritchey road logic and then sell it as road wasn't for you?

Hora, meet TurnerGuy, he seems to be new round here 😉

Hey I'm now stable on mountain bikes ..it's road bikes that's the shiny new thing. It's only been two road bikes. This will be my third.

Even though I'm a big lad I can still appreciate zippy, quick responsive and stiff. I loved the Defy but found it just too mountain bike(?). I want a complete contrast.

This will be my third

Planet X Pro Carbon
Ritchey Road Logic
Giant Defy

Erm... 🙂

You do know you should never have sold the Ritchey, don't you?

Oof, mentally I locked out that PlanetX, like a dirty memory.

Still my 456 ti Evo pub bike is ace 🙂

Wasn't the Ritchey water soluble?

Having owned a Synapse until recently (I loved it) and currently own a CAAD10 (same geo as the Supersix), they're not as hugely different as I'd been led to believe. You know the answer though, go and ride one. I'd probably get a supersix of the two, but saying that I got a KTM Revelator (shitty name) instead of a supersix to replace the synapse a couple of months ago.

I need a picture of the Defy just so I can have a laugh at how you've set it up...

He posted this picture on the FS thread. As someone on the thread said, it raises many questions about WTF is actually going on here. The bike looks reasonably normal tho.

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Long back, short legs? Why have you got a short stem and the saddle forward?

Short legs might justify the saddle. But long back doesn't work with the short stem, unless you have arms like a dinosaur. Probably why it feels like an mtb.

Pub Hotel in Canterbury ^

Stem was 110 on a M/L Defy. I'm 6ft1

Personally I would have another look at a CAAD12 as what you get for the money is much much better. I love mine and the feel is amazing, certainly wouldn't swap it for a carbon model. The frame is bloody light and really comfortable, much more so than steel frames that I have had.

CAAD12 105 hydro disc for £1500 is a great price. Evans worked out the cheapest for me with their various discounts, club card pints etc.

Black bar tape one side, badly wrapped white tape on the other?

What. The. Flip....

The Defy probably feels too much like a mountain bike because with a 110mm stem and 6ft 2 with long arms it's too short. Try a 130mm stem to flatten yourself out? Use the Defy as a mule to set the dimensions you want and pick another bike?

And anyway, manufacturers make a big deal about 'endurance' and 'race' frames. In reality it's 1 - 1.5 degrees out the head angle, a CM off the top tube and 1-3cm from the headtube.

Then again, what you really want to do is buy another bike. Amarite?

Caad12 ultegra with hydraulic discs £1499 from Drakes Cycles in Leeds; 54 & 56 in stock.

For general riding the Synapse is a very good bike. As said above if you want to blast it the Supersix is more racy, with steeper angles and a less compliant frame. The CAAD 12 if anything is more racy than the Supersix, certainly the CAAD10 was set up at the racy end of the spectrum. In truth I'm not convinced you'll see a massive amount of difference from the Defy. Might be worth playing around with stem length (110 is pretty short on a road bike) and saddle position before you plow into another expensive bike. After all you can pick up a cheap 130mm stem for not much more than a tenner if you shop around. Surely worth a try?

Regardless, let me know when you've made a decision and we'll hit the Cheshire lanes again!

I would go with Ti if I where you Hora resell values are very good 🙂

Had 2 supersix evo hi mods, 2 caad10s and caad9 - great bikes, for me the geometry is spot on - the evos are mega light at about 850g or so but the caad10 is a great bike and I've raced it loads and the difference is less than you'd think -

6'2" with short legs?

Or, to put it another way, from the pelvis up you're really very tall.

You're going to need much more than a 110mm stem to get a decent 'fit' on a M/L...

That concludes my internet fitting session, that'll be £250, PayPal gift etc.

fifeandy - Member
@cynic-al: Is your Supersix a hi-mod version? Should come in a fraction under 1kg

It was a low end model - 1150gm when I put on my scales.

NEVER believe catalogue weights.

Anyway back to the op.

Ever thought of finding bricks and mortar retailers you like, test riding some bikes, buying the one you like most?

Probably cheaper than your current method.

Could I interest you in a 56cm Ultegra Hi-Mod? 😛

http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/fs-cannondale-synapse-carbon-hi-mod-ultegra-disc-56cm-road-bike-1895-1896?replies=1#post-7986470

I couldn't drop nearly two grand cash on any used bike. Sorry. 🙂

Cash probably 1k max or 0% finance. Anyone explain that thinking?!

At 6'1" with short legs and a long back, a 58cm CAAD or Supersix will be the perfect size for you. The Giant looks all to pot, if you've got a long back, you'll probably require a lot of setback on the seatpost.

If you have an Evans near you, they may have some in stock to try out sizing guilt free (I think this could be known as a McSit...)

I have a supersix and IIRC the geometry is almost identical to the CAAD frames, which helped to get a feel for the size and fit

It's a great ride, although I'm not a racer I just find it suits my lanky frame quite nicely. Really comfortable and sharp handling.

There's a barely used 58cm Synapse Disc AL with 105 going for £550 on a local roadie forum, made me think of this thread.

I tried both carbon models around London over lunch one day. They both felt good, with the Six being a tad harsher. The shop felt the Synapse was a better fit. The Six was too long or too short depending on size. Regardless, I went for a Defy Advanced Pro 2 which is great. I chose that because I really wanted hydraulic discs. Too used to MTB brakes to go back to rim brakes. A year on, with the Shimano hydraulics fitted, I'm very glad I did. The TRP weren't up to much.

I still lust after the Six though, but a long ride reminds me that my 40+ aging frame wouldn't cope so well on the Six.

Two riding mates have the two Cannondales in question. The racer shaped one , who is a racer says the Super Six fits him beautifully, the non racer shaped one says the Synapse is perfect. So back to the racer/mamil conundrum.

really liked my SuperSixEvo - bought the entry level 105 bike from Evans (external cable routing, PF30 BB) heavily reduced, just to get the frameset for a rebuild.

Frame in 54cm was sub 1kg.

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But if you need a front end that high, you should have probably gone with a synapse 🙂

Evans do a price match 🙂

But if you need a front end that high, you should have probably gone with a synapse

I realise you're probably just joking, but the differences between sportive & race-style bikes extend to more than just head tube length.

After a couple of years on a Defy I've gone back to a racier frame because it [i]just wasn't as fast[/i] as my previous bike - and I'm willing to trade a bit of comfort for snappier acceleration and that feeling of zero energy being wasted.

In short, I'd rather ride a race frame without the stem slammed than a sportive frame with.

🙂

I've got a defy, had a supserix hi-mod - the defy is dull, after 8 months of ownership and very few miles because i didn't get a buzz from it, its been relegated for a allez sprint

In short, I'd rather ride a race frame without the stem slammed than a sportive frame with.

+1

a friend has a caad12, its a lovely looking bike

Just messing. I'm not one of the slammed stem brigade.
My Cervelo s3 has a healthy cone spacer too 🙂

Hora, are you sorted yet? I was in Keswick MTB today and they had offers on Cannondale road bikes including an offer on a 2015 synapse. May be worth dropping them a line?

I have a supersix 105, bought from Evans for 1170 with pedals thrown in, feels great to me but that's only compared to a ribble and old ally trek. Don,t find in uncomfortable at 4 - 5 hours. I am 6 foot on a 56

I've just got a secondhand Dolan Pre Cursa/Elippse wheels for Cheshire lanes duties. 20miles today 🙂

23rd October.

Apart from Cannondale, any others worthy?

Scott CR1 105 for £1100, or the Addict 105 for £1400.

hora - Member
Apart from Cannondale, any others worthy?

What criteria?

Or are you just asking for recommendations blindly?

I can think of (probably) 300 others.

Personally, I'd avoid both as they have the [s]spawn of satan[/s] BB30 bottom bracket. What do you want it for? What are you looking for that the Ritchey did not offer aside from light weight carbon-ness? This end of the market is saturated with great bikes, but if it isn't suited to your needs, it will never be right.

There are Endurance bikes and endurance bikes. The Synapse has a nice long MAMIL-friendly headtube, the Roubaix even more so. The Defy is basically a racebike that doesn't need spacers. The head angle is half a degree shallower then the TCR and Propel.

And anyway, manufacturers make a big deal about 'endurance' and 'race' frames. In reality it's 1 - 1.5 degrees out the head angle

Is actually an over-exaggeration. I;ve raced my Defy SL and sportived my Propel. Personally, I'd choose a nice steel Ritchey with carbon 300g monocoque fork 😉

I bought a supersix evo HM frame from Paul's in the spring (2015 model) and built it up using the ultegra groups from my old bike and added some campag Bora carbon wheels. Utterly brilliant bike, really really fast, light (6.9 in current build for a size 58) and also far more comfortable that my 'endurance' carbon roadie before it, and way more comfortable than the obscenely expensive cervelo R5.

It's racy yes, but if you get it fitted by a pro it doesn't have to be uncomfortable (don't slam the stem) but the biggest thing I love is how it handles, it's so precise and secure at speed it really builds confidence, but also doesn't bite when you're tired. I've ridden mine in the alps, done the dragon in the UK and just blown away by it. Yes BB30 is a pain and yes the cable routing is external (will just HAVE to buy etap if going electronic) but blows the socks off every other carbon 'race' bike I've ridden, which is a few!

Scarily, the 2016 is supposed to be better. If you can find the frame though, custom is the way fwd.

will just HAVE to buy etap if going electronic

Don't, unless you like hanging around an eternity waiting for it to shift compared to Di2