[Closed] Bridleway Route-finding

Depends very much on old parish boundaries, I believe. Some places/authorities were better than others at extending bridleways where they morphed into footpaths than others.

After trying different methods, I find OS maps are the best, but I am old fashioned. They allow you to instantly get an impression of the larger area and what you're trying to do.

I have zero qualms about riding on footpaths anyway, but even more so when they start as a bridleway, then become a footpath. Adopting this approach may make route creation somewhat easier 😉

After trying different methods, I find OS maps are the best, but I am old fashioned. They allow you to instantly get an impression of the larger area and what you're trying to do.

This.

Dining room table, a decent bottle, notepad and a bunch of OS maps. Heaven.

I tend to use OS to "think out" a ride, before plotting it in to my Garmin.

Its, unfortunately, very area dependent, and much of that is down to historical issues of recording of the ROW in the fifties during the parish surveys and drafting of the definitive map.

Its, unfortunately, not easy to put this right either.

There are areas where I could put you together a fifty mile route with only a couple of short (200-300m) sections of tarmac, there are other areas where I just cant link up anything more than a few short stretches of bridleway with miles of road.

Nothing beats paper maps to get a feel of the whole network

Dannys advice above is strong - just get out and link together with footpaths, but use common sense and discretion in busy areas.

Depends where you are starting from. Using the bridleways, towpaths and Sustrans you can put some cracking routes together between Nottingham and Derby. Not technical, but a decent ride out.

Liberally sprinkled with cafes as well!

I like bikehike.co.uk as it allows you to look at both os maps and Google/satellite/OSM in two screens can create and export gpx files to use on a garmin or similar.

zoomable bridleway map

http://trib.al/b7p84z4

I find it quite hard to define new mtb routes locally and would like to find an easier way too. Don't have much success looking through Strava, most of what is listed as mtb turns out to be road rides where I live. The BWs are exactly as you describe, short segments of varying quality that have to be strung together for a decent ride. What I ride regularly works fine and can be linked by canals. The times I have strayed away from these routes, generally going further afield usually ends up as nonedescript sloppy mess. Must try harder.

I like OS paper map. Getting into the Explorer orange ones but actually the old pink Landranger series is good for this sort of thing. After a while you get a sense of how big your ride is from how it looks.

I was brought up on exploring places on foot or bike with map and compass pre GPS through cubs, scouts, touring cycling, mountain biking etc. So this is a bit of an old fart comfort/good old days thing.

zoomable bridleway map

http://trib.al/b7p84z4
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Its garbage

full of routes that are not bridleways, and missing loads that are

reggiegasket - Member
zoomable bridleway map

http://trib.al/b7p84z4

Misses a lot of bridleways, as well as RUPPs, BOATs, cycle network and "other public access" routes.

So, next to useless.

Get a map. Get the full picture.

Wow, thanks, lots of food for thought!

Have to agree - that website and the OSM cycle map both miss out much of what is on offer in my locality.

Already kind of done in the second post, but if your issue is bridleways being scrappy short lengths then you need to be a little more creative about what is a bridleway and ignore the incorrect classifications on the definitive maps. It seems nonsensical to me to have your riding limited by the failure of parish councils to do their job properly (if I'm being kind and not assuming there were vested interests involved in the classification).

Otherwise it's always difficult drawing up a route just based on maps as they give you little information on what the going is like on the ground - worse in some places than others, but I can think of several rights of way which are totally non-existent on the ground (some of them are clearly just arbitrary lines on a map and have never existed on the ground).

Find a decent segment on Strava, look at the leaderboard, click through on the date of top few riders and look at the rides they did to get there. They will probably be locals, ride that section regularly and know how to link it into other stuff.

At least that's what I do if I ride somewhere new.

Bikehike.co.uk route creator - OS maps and google maps combined. It's great.
I plan on this and then draw the routes on my paper maps with highlighter.

Use the heatmap function in the Strava course creator tool

[url= http://www.rowmaps.com ]This site[/url] could be useful if it covers your area.

Otherwise it's always difficult drawing up a route just based on maps as they give you little information on what the going is like on the ground - worse in some places than others, but I can think of several rights of way which are totally non-existent on the ground (some of them are clearly just arbitrary lines on a map and have never existed on the ground).

This is pretty true, I must say.

I have two versions of the 1:25s around me locally. One is clean and pristine, the other has trails/routes marked with highlighters to show what it's like. One colour for gnarmac friendly in summer, one for gnarmac friendly in winter, one for "take a proper off road bike you fool!" etc.

The only way I've been able to build up my own personal "grading" system is by getting out there and exploring. Which is utterly ACE! I rode a trail last year on the gnarmac bike and all along it I was thinking, "This is getting a SERIOUS dose of the green highlighter!" as I cursed my way along the gloopfest on 30mm slicks! 🙂

getting out there and exploring.

Best part of it IMO

Huge sense of personal achievement when you have ridden and marked off every path on the OS map

Another vote for bikehike. Hit the "Toggle map sizes" button so you get a big OS map.

I'm pretty sure the other link above is based on OSM data which is user contributed, and when I last looked the categories of paths that OSM supported didn't correspond very well to the English/Welsh RoW classification, so bridleways are categorised inconsistently, and in many cases wrongly. I suspect walkers putting routes in are much less careful about the bridleway/footpath distinction.

OSM cycle map both miss out much of what is on offer in my locality.

You'll be needing an OSM account and start editing the map of your area to get the ROW in.

+1 for getting out there to explore. After about 10 years you end up with an encyclopaedic knowledge of every footpath and bridleway within a 50 miles radius of your house!

+1 for OS maps as a starting point though.

As a curve ball option, have a look at this:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Good-Mountain-Biking-Guide-England/dp/0956802907

I got it for £2.99 from a charity shop. Quite good, as it just gives an idea of the trails in an area in OS type format rather than routes...

I'm not sure if it's something to do with my age (40), but what the OP sees as a problem is exactly what I enjoy about mountain biking! Get a paper OS map and get out there! Some paths are crap some paths are great, the fun is in finding out for myself.
As an aside I've found google earth of limited use as to actually what is on the ground once you get out there, I still look at new places on it but don't judge them from it.

With OS maps you're dependent upon them being updated which could be every 5 years. Surprisingly though the OS Get-a-Map subscription service is NOT up-to-date. Streetmap is worth checking out as it's been known to be more current than OS.

Should mention this site, which has most of the country on Google Earth compatible files after putting in FOI's to all the councils:

http://www.rowmaps.com

Geograph.org.uk can also be worth checking ou (user interface notwithstanding ) -it aims to have shots from every grid square so there could be shots of a bridleway. Sometimes the contributors are more interested in decaying farm machinery so it's a bit of a lottery.

Went on a couple of new (to me) bridleways today after I'd seen them on the map, let's just say my bike had a bit of an agricultural smell afterwards 😆

ninfan - Member
Should mention this site, which has most of the country on Google Earth compatible files after putting in FOI's to all the councils:

http://www.rowmaps.com

Best way I have found is really old fashioned....

Big table,
OS map opened up,
Highlighter pen, I often use yellow as you can usually still see the colour of the trail you highlight

Go round map and highlight every bit of bridleway you can find

Step back and look for loops which look promising,
Look closer and see if you can easily link them up

Fold up map, go explore

same here

OS map - i prefer the pink ones

highlighter pen, do all BW and maybe footpaths a diff colour

you can buy a custom one centred on your house which gives you about a 15mile ? radius

go out for a day and explore

im in notts, bought nottm and mansfield maps and done them

OS maps available via Bing Maps for when OSM falls short.

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Just think of all the people who spent a couple of hours in the car driving to a trail centre this morning 😯

Every Council in England must provide a Rights of Way definitive Map. It's the law.

Hampshire has a very large detailed map, I've just looked on the Derby City Council site and there are many maps, but the only one you can get is a printed one at present, they will provide it to you if you ask.

Other than that OS is the obvious choice.

Where's the path is also useful for exploring new areas and unknown paths/tracks...

https://wtp2.appspot.com/wheresthepath.htm

But to answers your question, long distance Bridleways are few and far between. You'll find most long distance bridleways in more mountain/hilly areas which are often passes between two valleys.

Most public rights of way in rural areas where created to allow people/farmers to get access to churches/mills/places of work which is why lots run through the middle of farm yards. They weren't originally created for leisure use.

I imagine most bridleways these days are tracks which never got upgraded to roads for motor vehicles.

British mountain biking was, for me, about the journey, the exploration. I learned to read maps (a dying art in the age of smartphones) very well as a kid because you have to if you hike in Northumberland! I moved around the UK for nearly 20 years and a local OS map and curiosity saw me exploring from every house I lived. Joining up those RUPPs, BW, ROW with short road stretches gave me far more enjoyment than any trail centre. Less rad, but more involving, educational and remote-pub-findingly good. You'll find sets from Dr Who, Glen Miller's last public concert location, random trails through woods, alpaca farms and even the YOI that Stephen Fry was locked up in.
Love maps, ride.

I've gone the map route, bought the 4 maps around Derby and Nottingham. I've had a look at the online resources before but can see that the map, highlight and join up (supplemented by the online sites) will really give me the visual possibility of where I could get to.

I've managed to ride to work in Derby from Beeston in Nottingham mostly offroad before just through exploration, but looking forward to opening up some new possibilities for loop rides as well as commuting.

Just been on 35 mile mostly off-road pootle, lots of linked bridleways and unmetalled roads.
Possible due to 20+ years of just exploring the area, some use of OS maps, but mostly just following my nose. What some people would call 'proper' mountain biking 😉
Sometimes you need to take a gamble on a trail, and sometimes it'll be great, and others it'll be pants!

Britain is the best mapped country in the world and the OS 1:25,000 maps are superb. When I used to mountain bike I would spend hours on the bog studying maps and linking up bridleways and unclassified roads then I'd go and ride them. Somebody wrote above that BWs in agricultural areas aren't much good because they only tend to link across farm land. This is true; but in hilly areas BWs are the former packhorse trails along which goods were carried between settlements before canals and roads, and no BW is ever beyond what a loaded pony and now a bike could manage.

I still use OS maps for road riding through the 1:50,000 scale is better.

With the exception of motorways and bypasses just about all of our "road" network was once what we now call green lanes, bridleways, footpaths. (The Romans added one or two bits as well) The ones that saw more use got bigger, bridges installed over rivers, then pitched with stone, finally getting tarmac. Some routes fell out of favour once easier alternatives became available perhaps because land got drained or a bridge got built or ferry started. Basically all that is left are the routes that weren't considered to be "upgraded" to roads.

In the 1920/30s when the roads were being tarmaced in the Lakes there was serious consideration to making the BW between Wasdale Head and Borrowdale over Styhead Pass into a road. Eventually the council decided not to and upgraded Hardknott Pass instead.

Yiman - my email is in my profile. I'm based near Ilkeston, in the heart of the Derby/Nottingham triangle. Happy to offer suggestions or meet up for some (currently gloopy) bridleway bashing.

I use ViewRanger and run it in OpenCycleMap mode. I then plot routes on it and upload them to a Garmin Edge 810. I mount this to the bikes handlebars. This allows me to follow them without having to stop, not even having to slow down much.

Another good thing I do is look at other people's rides on Strava and if the route looks good then I use an AddOn to download the GPX and view it on Viewranger before uploading it to the Garmin.

We have less than 10 years now to make a case for anything that historically ought to be a bridleway to be made up to one, legally. After that, we're stuck with what we have. I hope to do what I can.

You need to work with the horse riders then, they are the only people who have any track record in making claims

My view is the right to ride PROW footpaths needs to be claimed rather than a slow costly piecemeal upgrade. Get this and for the most part the problem is solved. The expectation should be for people to "lift over" any normal footpath access issues such as Stiles.

It needs to be done quickly before ebikes take off and blur the distinction with motorised bikes in the eyes of the uninitiated. Also the disabled user groups may try and force something in parallel (I'm not arguing for/against this it's a complex issue that needs a nuanced approach ). Any baggage to a simple amendment will mean it won't happen.

It's not likely to happen as the people most enraged by people cycling footpaths have the time to object, vote and are used to getting treated preferentially

Just to add my two penneth
Os explorer maps can be had for Cheap (millets, blacks use a 10-15% code and free delivery) including a digital copy so I tend to buy areas I want to ride and download the code and then sell the paper maps on eBay, although I have my local doorstep maps as Active plastic coated format..

Plan the basics of a new route looking for bridleways/footpaths and when you are out and about the smartphone app can pinpoint where you are on the downloaded offline map, simple really.
Although I do have a bit of a photographic memory when it comes to maps, but this will come over time. And the more you ride the more routes you.ll find and then they.ll piece togeather easily

West Yorkshire is brilliant for bridleways and footpaths that are essentially unclaimed bridleways, open wide enough for bikes, horses and dog walkers ..

The comment regarding BWs and farmland resonates. As I push south from Bham towards Stratford I hit a bunch of claggy, horrible routes over farmland. Perhaps drainage is an issue in that area too.

The comment regarding BWs and farmland resonates. As I push south from Bham towards Stratford I hit a bunch of claggy, horrible routes over farmland. Perhaps drainage is an issue in that area too.

Yep, the same over towards Solihull->Meriden->Coventry. Just horrible flat clay-ey paths. No point riding them because you end up riding a 70lb bike either very slightly uphill (which wheelspins because the tyre's a huge disc of mud), or very slightly downhill so you can move, but not with any pace or much control.

The comment regarding BWs and farmland resonates. As I push south from Bham towards Stratford I hit a bunch of claggy, horrible routes over farmland. Perhaps drainage is an issue in that area too

Based in Redditch I have dozens of bridleway routes plotted using OS maps but the quote above means virtually all of them are not worth the effort due to the clay nature of the soil. There are some great routes for nice summer evenings where enjoying the views etc is more important than how far/fast/gnarly etc you ride. most of my routes are created from OS maps, marking all the bridleways with a green highlighter and all the footpaths with an orange one, then use this as a basis to plot a route on digital mapping ready to upload to the garmin.

Only realised today that LA's all publish their definitive maps online. I'll be checking the map for my area against the OS maps for differences.

Really interesting thread.

I used to live in Buxton and had BWs and other rights of way within yards of my front door. I'd happily spend evenings poring over an OS map deciding which trails to link up next and had some lovely local doorstep rides. When I moved I spent similar evenings staring at the map for new routes to piece together and looked forward to those new explorations. Sadly the bridleways were mostly wet and muddy fields or so short - with so much road work to get to and from - that they weren't worth it. My current doorstep trails are ones I would never have found just looking on a map; they required local knowledge and a curious (or cheeky) nature.

I realise how spoilt I was where I previously lived and can see why people would rather drive to somewhere better.

+1 for getting out there to explore. After about 10 years you end up with an encyclopaedic knowledge of every footpath and bridleway within a 50 miles radius of your house!

The best way definitely. There's something extremely liberating about being able to go out without a map and make a route up based purely on your knowledge of the trails. Even if your exploration leads to hike-a-biking through a bog you'll at least know to avoid it in future. Also many trails aren't on OS maps so you need to go out and look for them.

Also many trails aren't on OS maps so you need to go out and look for them

...beaten to it!

As most have said, best way is to go out and explore. It's also worth making notes on an OS Map -- marking what's unrideable, which way round is best to ride a section, marking on location of unmarked trails in the hope you can find them again.

There are sections of our local woods that I never seem to ride exactly the same route.

Just have fun and explore!

The Pennines have the best bridleways because there were so many hill settlements and cottages where people were weaving wool into cloth before it all went down into the valleys to the river-powered manufactories and cotton took over. Look at any map of West Yorkshire for example and your mind will be boggled by the rich network of trails, most now classified as FPs when they would have originally been packhorse trails. But ride 20 miles north west into the Ribble valley and the Bowland fells and you'll find very few rideable off road routes, mostly because those areas have always been agricultural and shooting estates. Local mountain bikers do have routes but they are often cheeky and tend to skirt around the peripheries of towns like Blackburn.

The routes in the Bowland fells are particularly boggy in all but the driest weather, from what I've read

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