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My two Inbreds are well over ten years old now, I’ve had to locate the pics on Flickr and download them to be able to post them. Haven’t ridden either for ages, must get them out, clean them up and ride them. Both have been faultless, and I wouldn’t part with either for anything. One’s an 853SS with carbon forks and bars, the other is one of only two 567 frames, bare steel with a thin coat of clear matt lacquer, proper hooligan hardtail! 6” travel Nixon Platinums on the front.
We should lay off newrobdob, I just realised he's done us a great favour and established a precedent.
Brant, Brant, Brant, look at this picture of my 10+ year old Pompino on part of the HT550 trail.
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Although the paint hasn't fallen off (yet), or the chainstays cracked (yet), there is totally inadequate clearance for a 2" tyre and I have had to fit 40mm.
It's really a disgraceful state of affairs, but I won't mention this to anyone else if you send me a cheque for £251 (inflation adjusted).
Or the promise of a future gravel Pompino with 2"+ clearance will do. 🙂
If this is turning into a OnOne love in-
My old 456 evoII-
New owner loves it. I'd be tempted by another with modern geo and the ability for plus..
Here's my much mentioned by me Parkwood 29
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and it getting muddy
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It gets muddy leaning against a brick wall on monoblock? Rough place!
Weeksy
First person I've seen with seat slammed forward. I've mine as far back as possible and layback post but still wish it was a little longer.
Had mine 4 years this October. Great bikes.
Somewhat randomly, this just popped up on ebay - I was looking for Barry White Inbreds a couple of weeks ago so it probably remembered the search....
Pic 5 seemed strangely relevant... 🙂
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F192606947827
Thinking about it, my Inbred has similar gouges (admittedly less severe than these!).
Heard nothing about a replacement torch.
Hang on.
If I buy that Inbred off eBay then complain to Brant, I could end up £100 better off.
You can get in the queue behind the rest of us.
It was a nice torch as well. My Granddaughter used to play with it.
Before it broke.
First person I’ve seen with seat slammed forward. I’ve mine as far back as possible and layback post but still wish it was a little longer.
I feel the large is a little large for me... so the seat is fairly forward to allow this. Doesn't seem to affect my riding so i'm cool with it. I still get tempted to swap for a Medium..... But i also get tempted to swap for a Stanton Sherpa 😀
Bit late to the party here, but I have to say, I've always been satisfied with the products and service from OO/PX.
I've had a Pompino and a sliding dropout Inbred 26, plus various bars and other bits.
I do hope Brant can inject some magic to the On-One brand though as it does seem to have flagged of late.
On a related note, I know the Inbred was dropped, but did the Pompino get dropped too?
I'd love to see something halfway between a Pomp and TD-1 if we're all putting requests in....
I would have a punt on a steel SS 29er. Cheap and cheerful rigid fun.Could also be tempted by 29+ of some description. ]
Things I would suggest:
Threaded BB.
I think Surly have a good thing going with their "gnot boost" axle spacing. I am sure that more One One frames have been born as spares box or classified specials. Tap into that if you can.
Keep it cheap.
I had various dealings with Brant, years back. He offered to lend me some kit when I was considering doing Iditabike, and encouraged me when I was dying of cramp on a failed Red Bull solo singlespeed attempt. His manner may not give everyone the warm fuzzies, but I think he's a decent bloke.
I've ridden and enjoyed a few of his bike designs. Had a Jack Flash singlespeed prototype for a good while until it succumbed to my abuse. Am still riding a DN6 Inbred frame that I bought cheap because it had a hefty dent in the top tube. I think I bought that via Uncle Tim but am not sure. I also have a Whippet that presumably has something to do with him, which I really like.
If Robdob is who I think he is then I once gave him a lift up north (with MikeD, or am I imagining that?) to one of AndyA's fests. Seemed a nice guy, though I do remember being mildly peeved when a bunch of us from the old newsgroup pitched in with bits for him to build up a new bike (I sent him some Kona P2 forks for free), only for him to say "erm, I could actually do with the money more than the bike so I'm going to sell it straight away". I might not be remembering that right, and I might not have the right guy. If so, sorry. Regardless, newrobdob is not cool in my eyes though, if it's correct that he's misleadingly sold on a frame that he believes to be terrible and then accepted a full refund just now from Brant.
You should have seen her little face light up, every time we let her use it.
Before, y'know. It failed, literally making the world a darker place.
Still, I'm sure an inconsolable 5 year old isn't high on your list of priorities.
Sleep well.
Bloody shonky forum can’t even cope with a simple cut and paste. Another reason it’s dying on its arse.
Quite some accusation that. You and your bro are quite a tag team.
Rob has so far asked me three times if I want the money back. I've not been hassling him.
All messages are intact in my message folder. No idea why they aren't in your brothers.
I am happy to paste screen shots here. I generally don't do PM's and requested everything was kept out in the open.
*Grab's popcorn*
Sounds like screenshot's are needed to show the actual truth here!
If it is being offered, I think Brant should accept the money back, as it is the only way robdob can fix his reputation and regain some honour.
Will that mean he continues to bash On One/Brant for the next decade though?
Apple-Converted-Space is a good name for a band.
From a personal point of view I think you owe my brother an apology for<span class=”Apple-converted-space”> </span>
A) Using him as a publicity stunt that went wrong and virtually ensuring that he won’t use this forum again, a place where he offered and took much useful advice over the years.<span class=”Apple-converted-space”> You made a bad decision and went about it in a poor manner </span>
IMO robdob should be doing the apologising. He is the one that made a bad decision, and went about it in a poor manner.
Bloody shonky forum can’t even cope with a simple cut and paste. Another reason it’s dying on its arse.
Yes, but this has been the most interesting thread in ages.
>If it is being offered, I think Brant should accept the money
>back, as it is the only way robdob can fix his reputation and regain some honour.
Can't he just hit "refund payment" on paypal and it comes back automatically? I don't have to do anything?
Can’t he just hit “refund payment” on paypal and it comes back automatically? I don’t have to do anything?
Probably wants you to make a big fuss about it first?
😂
bump
Grind.
Barbra Streisand
I have no useful contribution to make. 🙂
Ooh, my comment was autmatically modified. (This is a post post edit)
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I don't see nothing wrong...
My turn.
If you’re going to make accusations about mods it’s best to fact check first. Mods do not have any access to deleting PMs sorry about that PP but you’re lying when you claim we’ve covered his tracks.
On a personal note accepting £250 for a frame you no longer have as you sold it on to someone else is immoral. Rob should give Brant the money back or donate it to a chosen charity.
Drac - "mistaken" rather than "lying" would perhaps be helpful?
Do PX sell forum set ups as well?
For me there was a definite turning point with Planet X in quality control and it seems whoever bought frames from the first batch that came off the boat were the testers, and don't get me started on their ridiculous sales and pricing that goes up and down faster than Louise's knickers...
My first 29 er was an Inbred and it was ace, second a black Scandal , it was ace, then got one of the raw Scandals, that had the first attachment for the brake hose so close to headtube you couldn't kink it enough to actually fit, but all in all a great riding bike.
Then followed a Fatty Trail where the seat tube required two layers of Coke can as a shim to keep seatpost up.
A Holdsworth SS frame for commuting where the drop outs were not straight and the Racing Green paint fell off when you looked at it.
A Reverb that was faulty and they denied ever receiving it back for months until i provided the signature of the person that signed for it, and they still denied it for 3 months!
The best though was mentioning the above on Facebook only to have a drunken member of their staff start sending me FB Messages with loads of abuse (sent them on to PX, never really got an apology, just that the member of staff was on sick -leave)!
So all in all, they were a bit of a British Institution and i hope they find their feet again but:
- Stop the daft sales, just stick what needs selling at one sale price and leave it
- Lots of frames/ models that are very similar and confusing range especially for someone new looking at them for first time
- Sort customer services so if someone does have a problem, it gets sorted promptly.
Don't see anyone as really winning here but seeing a forum member effectively bullied off the forum leaves a nasty taste in the mouth to be honest.
"Probably wants you to make a big fuss about it first?"
- but only for 9 years.
Mine is the only one of those frames that I know of that’s been cured of the problem
Mine has been fixed to, still in regular use. Totally cured any problem.
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Why’s that poop? He took £250 for a frame that he sold years ago, long may that form of bullying continue. And PP; one Q...did everybody who sold theirs chase the designer for a full refund years later? Like you honest, chainsuck pointing out brother did?
duckmam, the fact that you approve of any type of bullying if regrettable to be honest.
I shouldn't put words in the guys mouth as I don't know him from Adam...but I'm guessing he thought the refund was long overdue?
I see some similarities in this thread and the Ling thread. Id hoped that type of antagonism stayed on the chat forum.
I come on the bike forum to get away from that sort of perpetual acrimony.
I swapped my pitchfork for a dildo and some candyfloss. Much happier these days.
^^ Something to be said for that.
"Candyfloss & Dildos" was probably Perpetual Acrimony's finest album, some say it was their magnum opus.
^^ And on that genuinely funny post.....I'm going to flounce out of this thread and go read about tyres or something. 😃
I'll take the risk of being accused of 'victim blaming' (get a grip FFS, we are talking about a user account on a forum where idiots bicker and talk rubbish, not the right to vote), because he brought this on himself.
We all come on here and act like dicks, but he took it too far on this occasion. He acted immorally, and without honour, which crossed a line, and unexpectedly got caught out.
virtually ensuring that he won’t use this forum again
I’ll make a leap here, and assume that this is because he either feels victimised, or guilty/ashamed. If it is the former, I’d advise he takes a good long look at his outlook on life. If it’s because he is ashamed, there is a way back. Pay back the money. Come on here, hold your hands up, show remorse, and admit you got this one wrong. Everyone makes mistakes. People might not forget, but I reckon they will forgive. Probably don't continue to lay into On One/Brant at every opportunity though, as it will only bring it up again.
Not bad publicity stunt work going on here, refund one person with a grudge from years ago and make yourself look great to the foolish. What about all the other complaints about O-O on here, google search shows plenty about the frames and the CS.Can they all get a refund? Its a smart move to refund one guy and then make him look like a dick. I wonder if Brant knew what was in the advert and saw gold before he made his offer?
I also wonder if Brant must have known there would be some level of uproar at his return. Isn't he and Ex PR guy right? Its all about the marketing.
I've not had one of their bikes or frames, always considered them to be the crap end of the market based on all the threads here and elsewhere. However I have bought plenty of stuff from O-O/PX super cheap. It was/is a great source of not bad kit for naff all. But after this dodgy thread I can't say I have any trust for the brand if Brant is there, it's all got a bit of a smell about it now.
I'm also not completely convinced that this isn't a highly elaborate decade long marketing scheme planed by Brant all along to drum up publicity.
@5plusn8 - Brant/Voldermort is a bike designer. Marketing may just be his peccadillo. I mean we've all got secrets
;o)
Anyway Poopscoop said I was funny, I can leave now and listen to “Candyfloss & Dildos” on my high fidelity contraption.
>Ex PR Guy
This is getting litigious now.
This is getting litigious now.
Please accept my apologies, I've just been told you were a bike journo, with an engineering degree, is that true? And if so is it better or worse?
Angeldust – I never said decades long plan, its just an interesting way of attracting attention to yourself. Its worked for you, you like him, it will work on lots of people. I prefer my brand loyalty to be based on track record not social media. Its personal, but I don’t like being made a fool of.
It wasn't a reply to your post. I was typing while you posted.
Ugh, this is STW at its absolute worst. A full pitchforks blazing witch hunt and bully session for a bloke who has, at some point (even if it is a loooong time ago), been wronged. It's happened before and it'll happen again, thankfully not often, but I hope robdob doesn't let it bother him too much.
It wasn’t a reply to your post. I was typing while you posted.
Sorry. Deleted it.
Ugh, this is STW at its absolute worst. A full pitchforks blazing witch hunt and bully session for a bloke who has, at some point (even if it is a loooong time ago), been wronged. It’s happened before and it’ll happen again, thankfully not often, but I hope robdob doesn’t let it bother him too much.
agreed, he has been wronged twice really, I can't see how you can offer to refund someone and then go on to try and shame him for it to make yourself look better. It's a pretty sorry tale that strikes me of someone with a fair bit of social media nous using someone else to further their own interests.
This thread has had its ups and downs, some comedy and some more serious matters. I have spoken to rob briefly in one of my earlier threads. He took it off his own back to contact exposure, explain the situation and they then emailed me, took my light, found the fault and returned it to me all foc. This was after i contacted them and they said they couldn't help me as it was out of warranty. My only experience talking/dealing with rob was nice, and he seems like a good bloke. Can't comment on any of this as it is not my place to.
From my personal experience of late, life is too short. Things have clearly happened and there is always 2 sides to every story. Things can get twisted and exaggerated etc. Aside from the comical value and banter which STW is renowned for, maybe brant and rob should sort this out and everyone can move on.
I don't want any personal attacks against myself for my comments, i have enough to deal with and cope with already. This is just my opinion.
Well said Munrobiker.
I can’t see how you can offer to refund someone and then go on to try and shame him for it to make yourself look better
Because Brant made the offer to refund before he found out that robdob attempted to sell on the bike with no disclosure of the problem he had been moaning about (see link early in thread that scotroutes posted).
And the lesson here, is don't piss off a forum favourite.
Because Brant made the offer to refund before he found out that robdob attempted to sell on the bike with no disclosure of the problem he had been moaning about
Brant posted on the original thread and commented here that the thread was still there and that he could still read it. It is hard to imagine that he did not know exactly what robdob had written.
Seriously Munrobiker? He took a refund for a bike he sold years ago and got found out, architect of his own downfall.
Seriously duckman, did you just get the pitchforks out without reading?
9 years ago robdob offered his bike for sale, Brant commented on the original thread about how to sort it out.
Robdob said clearly on this thread how he sold it at a loss, which is why Brant offered him a refund.
Or "don't be a dick"
Brant posted on the original thread and commented here that the thread was still there and that he could still read it. It is hard to imagine that he did not know exactly what robdob had written.
Brant will have to confirm for himself (and I'm not reading back 10 pages to check FFS), but I don't think that reflects the true order of how things happened on this thread. Scotroutes found the old classified thread, and Brant expressed surprise on this thread when he realised robdob had not disclosed the issue (I don't think he would have offered the cash otherwise). Brant commented early in the 9 year old classified thread, so may not have seen the reply, or if he did, may not have remembered it from almost a decade ago. Brant can defend himself on this if he chooses too, I cba to check back.
Hmmm this on the original chainsuck problem thread from Brant:
"Chainsuck isn’t a frame thing Rob. It’s a drivetrain thing. Sorry you and your brother are suffering."
Followed by this from Brant on the for sale thread and lots of further admissions that there is a problem.
"I really must do something about that chainstay clearance. Oh, I forgot – I am "
"he new 456’s and Summer Seasons landing in the next couple of days have a slight indent on that side too."
All those customers who bought poorly designed bikes that were developed on the hoof as customers complained, and the cure is a one off £250 payment to aguy who then gets rubbished for accepting the money.
Anybody that thinks Rob is the bad guy has been fooled.
Yeah, 5+8, read the whole thread, your post above suggests you haven’t. But as you seem to think taking a FULL refund for a frame he sold without mentioning the chainsuck makes him wronged twice (as you posted above) then shall we just agree to disagree? Maybe you should report my post as bullying him, it is against forum rules after all.
I've had loads of On One frames over the year's, 2 456's one of which was an evo2 which i still regret selling and a carbon, a fatty which I still have, a fatty trail and about 5 Inbreds of various sizes and forms. Not had an issue, other than the usual paint made of cheese, with any of them.
Despite the horror stories about after sales suppoet I think they are a good company who have lost their way due to some questionable leadership decisions. Hopefully Brant's return will help them back to what they do best, turn out great frames at great prices.
Can I put my request in for a modern geo 456 that will take 3 inch tyres please Brant. Ta.
Brant posted on the original thread and commented here that the thread was still there and that he could still read it. It is hard to imagine that he did not know exactly what robdob had written.
Its 9 bloody years ago, I google questions and find threads where I asked the question last year and forgot about it!
As for laying into on-one/PX, you managed to squeeze "always considered them to be the crap" and " I’ve not had one of their bikes or frames" into the same scentance.
Of course people air a lot of their dirty laundry about them on here, at one point they probably accounted for (at least) every other bike on the forum, couple that with Brant being a regular forumite made getting a problem sorted via a thread pretty straightforward. Its probably a fairly big part of the reason behind the "No Pageing" rule!
Yeah.. err.
Years of banging on and on about Brant's shit frame design and the distress it caused him, yet back when Rob was trying to sell the frame on he told the buyer that the frame had no problems that were any worse than any other frame.
I think that's what folk are finding scandalous (excuse the pun)
Come back Rob... this is waaay better than The Archers
Its probably a fairly big part of the reason behind the “No Pageing” rule!
Not in the slightest.
5plusn8, there are 2 threads from 9 years ago referenced on here. One where they discuss the issue, and a classified thread where it is being sold. You might be confusing the 2? Whole thread need reading if you have a spare hour or so......
Yunki's got it. The frame may well have been mince, Rob may well have been cross about spending his money on a poor design, he might be fully justified in waging a 9 year crusade against On-One buuuuutttttttttttt............
He then sold the terrible frame on without telling the buyer it was, in his opinion, scrap. He actually highlighted his issue with the frame but insisted it wasn't a problem. STW, ebay, where ever, it was either faulty and he sold it as not or it was fine and he's been banging on about nothing for years. Either way he comes out looking at least a little bit eggy and I expect that's why he's flounced.
Brant may have played a blinder, he may not but the facts still show Rob in a poor light IMO.
He acted immorally, and without honour, which crossed a line, and unexpectedly got caught out.
You've made your point several times, even starting a second thread about it. Are you still droning on because you're a bully, or because you want to rim Brant?
I think he wants Brant to rim him.
Is there a third option? If people keep missing the point, I’ll continue to correct them. Until it stops entertaining me, or I can no longer be arsed.
You’ve made your point several times, even starting a second thread about it. Are you still droning on because you’re a bully, or because you want to rim Brant?
Just belabouring a point beyond any sense I recognise the behaviour because this is what I used to do but have tried to stop doing. I now realise given this great example how ridiculous I looked
Leavened with a bit of bullying which I never did
Hi TJ, how was work today?
If people keep missing the point, I’ll continue to correct them.
*Swoon*
I’m blushing guys, all this attention 😍
It’s more than enough now. Can’t we close this thread mods?
Best thread in ages. Can’t you just avoid it if you don’t like it? Let’s at least get a conclusion.
Let’s at least get a conclusion.
You must have came by now.