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back in the day this would have been big news on here, but think that says more about the forum than On One...
had an email saying Brant is back...some classics being reworked by the sounds of it. Was a fan of their hard tails in the past but would like more reach than the current crop offer. Would love to see something like an aggressive 29 hardtail, or a 650b+ offering.
Too many bad experiences with on one customer service to consider shopping with them again regardless who has joined them.
back in the day this would have been big news on here
Things change.
If on one or Brant have anything relevent to offer i'm sure they'll change again.
I think it says more about you than anything.😜
650b all-road v6 Il-Pompino!?
long slack light 29er hardtail please Brant k thx bye x
After all the time On One have spent destroying their brand it'll take more than a poll on their facebook to get back in my good books. Brant's a great designer but what On One needs is basically a total reboot.
They had their time, selling good value hardtails suited to British riding, when there weren't that many other options.
More like sports direct of MTB now tbh.
Has he run out of cash spending it making fancy trousers?
If you want a Brant bike buy a Stif Morf. What’s he thinking going back to the empty hole that On One has become?
I imagine trouser town, or trouser sort of town type area with a bit of other towns thrown in isn’t as lucrative as first thought.
A small range of decent kids and small adults mountain bikes at on one prices please.
all a bit harsh
If they made the parkwood again but boost, 4 or 5 inches longer and 3 degrees slacker id buy one.
Ditto the dee dar. 430mm reach in large!
I was in the market for one a few years back for my missus' first mountain bike. Was working in Barnsley and went into their store a few times. The attitude of the staff pretty much settled me on buying her the canyon she eventually got - which has been great.
Shame really.
If Brant can whack out a great bike (he can), and they can sort out their staff issues, then...
I've a lot of time for Brant, always found him helpful on here. Always liked his bikes but maybe not his trousers 🤔
I'm sure oo and px will release his bike at full rrp and then randomly change the price.
Im in the market for a new mile munching 29er rigid bike with the option for plus tyres. I'm not that fond of the brand but I love a bargain. I've had some great bargains from them in the past.
One if my favourite bikes ever was an on one Scandal.
Good luck to him. Maybe this is the only place he can get his wierd and whacky ideas built? Everyone else plays it too safe and he doesn't want to risk his own money? 😁
Long, low, slack 180mm travel adventure enduro penny farthing with drum brakes and a walnut dashboard. I’m in
If they made the parkwood again but boost, 4 or 5 inches longer and 3 degrees slacker id buy one.
So a totally different frame then.😂
Moleskin saddle?
If you're not a bike snob this is good news.
If you want a decent good handling bike for getting muddy and don't feel the need to pay an extra few hundred pounds for American advertorial this is good news.
If you don't want to pay a few hundred extra for arse-licking customer service this is good news.
And if this means a Pompino that will take 50mm tyres for gravel use, it's effing great news. (Proper 700c, not midget wheels please 🙂 )
Who?
So has he left Hebtroco, or just moonlighting?
Who?
Ronnie Pi....oh, wait a minute. That's not right....
So has he left Hebtroco, or just moonlighting?
With Bruce or Cybil?
It all went to his head when they named a Canadian city after him
If you want a decent good handling bike for getting muddy and don’t feel the need to pay an extra few hundred pounds for American advertorial this is good news.
If you don’t want to pay a few hundred extra for arse-licking customer service this is good news.
I’ll rewrite that.
If you want a superficially decent (but soon reveals shoddy workmanship, lazy design with multiple flaws) reasonably handling bike (as the design was copied off someone else) for getting semi muddy (as the paint rusts and falls off at the first sign of water) and don’t feel the need to pay slightly more for something which a blind person hasn’t built then they are great
If you don’t want to pay a few hundred extra for arse-licking customer service then you don’t have to as a lot of other shops and manufacturers can provide polite service for no extra money as they realise it doesn’t cost anything.
I realised after 3 on-one/px (they dont deserve capitalisation) bikes what utter crocks of crap they were and promised to never darken their doors again - I won’t even buy a tyre from their website. Most other companies can do cheap stuff which is also well designed, well made and well supported and so I buy those now.
I miss my 26er Scandal. Such a great bike.
Raw too, so didn’t have any paintwork issues.
Was Brant part of (or all of) the design team for the alpkit Sonder bikes?
i quite like the look of those. Also liked my steel 456 and my ti 456. But I bought both second hand so didn’t ever delve into warranty. Not that I had reason to.
I would think he’ll be in and out in 3 months and on one will carry on with their sports direct business model.
And if this means a Pompino that will take 50mm tyres for gravel use, it’s effing great news. (Proper 700c, not midget wheels please
A Pompetamine reboot and a kaffenback that can take wider tyres would make sense for the gravelists now, and a 29er/27+ 456-alike in carbon, everyone is doing LLS steel frames, and of course an updated scandal...
Basically, slim the range down, lose some of the bought out brands perhaps, play on all the old favourites, and then differentiate by materials (and pricing of course)...
Thinking about it, OO/PX did a lot of the things that are now in fashion quite a while before they became fashionable... Then things sort of went down the shitter a bit.
My tuppence worth. Love my 456 ti evo and steel 456 evo, the latter of which I bought to replace a broken full suss frame when in UK.
Brants return has caused a buzz at least, let’s hope he can help them improve
Brant has designed some good frames. The QC of said frames (Morf & Sonder excluded) left a lot to be desired. If you got a good one they were good, most didn't though!
On One's elaborate bullshit price matrix and comedy RRP's are beyond my sense of humour. Hence I often contemplated purchasing stuff but in the end never did.
Clever business model that, maybe it's a slow burner! relieved me of zero pounds to date though.
Love my 456, bloody great bike and caused me no bother in five years of regular use and sporadic care. My Dirty Disco is a dream too, don't like the lack of lawyer lugs on the fork and limited clamp area for the rear wheel but otherwise faultless and has helped me down ludicrous trails and up spirit breaking road climbs alike.
Having worked in R&D depts I've seen how design teams don't necessarily have much input to the QC side of things. If I understand correctly it was his lack of satisfaction on that front that led to at least one of the previous separations, I guess he's confident he can effect a positive change on that front this time? Else he's short of cash coz not many folk buy trousers at £100 a pop and doesn't care.
Reduce the range, stop with the stupid names (Space Chicken!?!), Improve QC, and build that wide clearance Kaff I asked for 7 years ago please
Else he's going to sell his trousers at affordable prices?
QC on some frames was poor, but I still see plenty of 456 and inbred frames 10+ years on, so they weren’t all bad. Never had a scandal but they were much loved as well.
Appreciate things move on but as per sonder and the Stif Morf, he knows how to design a decent frame so I hope we see some interesting things from them.
Not giving OO a free ride by the way, I’ve had some poor service from them in the past albeit they’ve come good with (enough) calls etc
Sounds like poor brant might be suffering from battered wife syndrome. Could be time for an intervention.
Well some poor sods gotta design the on one e-bike :-p
Brant,Brant,Brant.
He should just make a homage to the Stif Morf or a full suss Morf-a-like. What happened to the bike firm he set up a couple of years ago? He always comes across as a nice bloke on here and seemed to double up as On One customer support too.
What happened to the bike firm he set up a couple of years ago?
Was that the one crowdsourcing their ideas? Ragley was him too, IIRC, which led to some very… niche product.
I've never had a problem with on one and I've bought loads. Had a pompino ,456 a few inbred a kaff a creaky lurcher and an rt57 perhaps more as I'm a serial bike swapper all bike were great apart from lurcher creaking , sizing of clothes is sometimes odd as is the pricing structure but as long as you know that then no bother. Also had a ragley a ride with brant and love upside-down Mary bars. Oh I've just realised I'm a fan-boi haha
I reckon there would be a Zak Tempest limited edition frame released. 😉
The trousers weren't long, low and slack either. I loved the cut of my Scandal.
Hoping for good things.
My personal experience of OO/PX has been pretty good overall, owned a 45650b which was a cracker, have an Inbred built up as a SS which I like (old frame, not too heavy, nice & springy!) and have been hugely impressed with my Pickenflick.
Customer service a bit 'meh' at times of late, but nothing I've been dissatisfied with overall.
I'm not keen on their business model, which seems to be about acquiring / resurrecting a whole bunch of brands (and a Brant in this case 😁) and think there is a lot of confusion and overlap in their multiple offerings (how many CX bikes? At least 3 Ti 'gravel' offerings. 45650b /DeeDar ... What's the difference there?) Think they would do better to simplify and focus on offering decent value, reasonable quality bikes backed up by reliable customer service. Suspect the company is too big and corporate now for Brant to have much influence over that, but so long as he has a free hand to design some sorted bikes, that's got to be a good thing.
Wonder whether his time out from bike design (apart from the Sonder/Stiff dabbling) has given him a chance to stand back, see things afresh and come back in with some innovative ideas?
Come on Brant ... You must be following this thread ... can we bait you to give us some inside information? 😉
My C456 served me well. Not a fault with it. Except it's not 650b.
I asked about a C45650b, but told it wasn't happening (might have been Brant but on the cusp of leaving). Maybe now it can happen.
Though I've moved on and don't need one really.
Zak tempest I am sure I remember he had a big frank sidebotton head on at a Nemba race in the early 90s At Middlesbrough.
My Wife's Scandal is a lovely bike and I liked my first Inbred. I had a real issue with the silly chainstay design of the limited edition 853 anniversary Inbred (minimal clearance on a 50mm chainline and no chance on 47.5mm which was common at the time) and chainsuck. I didn't appreciate the "If you don't like it you can always hit it with a hammer" approach to customer service.
Was Brant part of (or all of) the design team for the alpkit Sonder bikes?
He did the early ones - the original Transmitter for example, which is ace - I think they're now designing solely in-house. Really good people to deal with ime. I like Brant's bikes. I still have a Ragley Ti and I bought a Transmitter as well.
I don't have anything against On One, but the bizarrely yo-yoing prices are like something out of a TV game show. You have to press the button at the right time or risk the price decreasing/increasing by 100% next day.
Well I have been burnt like the rest with OO customer service, but if they release anew 456 with modern twist at a good price, then likelihood is they will have my money.
really want a 650b steel hardtail with slack/low geo. Just don’t want to spend a fortune as it will likely be a winter basher
I've owned a geared inbred, a scandal and a team alu road bike and loved them all. I must admit the whole on one/ px seems a dog's dinner with it's ever changing prices, quality issues, poor customer service and confusing range with all the in-house brands. But if he revamps a pig iron inbred 650b with modern angles then I would be up for that. I'm pretty sure everything will be boost, so for a time and cash limited serial frame changer like me, it will probably all pass me by. But in fairness that's probably me not having the cash or interest to keep up with the bike industry anymore, rather than on one. I hope Brant can breath a bit of life back into the company, good luck to him.
stop with the stupid names
Isn't that kind of where OO came in though; they started with "stupid names"! I mean, come on... Pompino, Inbred were names of their era. OK, maybe not pc these days but still fun in a schoolboy humour kind of way.
Really great news!
Can't wait to see what comes out of his brain this time. His take on the whole Long slack low thing could be a thing of genius.
they need to reduce the range and focus on a few bikes in each discipline. Well spec' d and decent value or start offering rolling chassis builds, I don't want selcoff tat or what ever random not matching kit they fit to bikes these days.
also agree ditch the stupid names and bad paintjobs. ditch the ridiculous pricing yo yo. ditch the sportspursuit model. improve the website so it works better and just bin half the old stock no one will buy.
maybe offer the option to custom paint or a couple of colours to keep costs down
I've never bought a bike from them was very close with the tt and still debating deep section wheels from them (they just aren't cheap enough to buy basically without warranty) the other stuff I've bought from them has all turned up quickly and been perfectly ok. so no customer service issues for me but the horror stories have really put me off
Always liked Brants bikes although it seems the brantsignal doesn't work on the new forum.
Offspring has a Scandal that we picked up for him second hand. Been a belting little bike and if there was a new version I would consider getting him another when he needs a bigger size.
I enjoyed my 456 evo II, my only dabble with OO for a frame. BB threads weren't great but thev rest of the frame was tidy for the money.
Which was the last bike Brant designed for them?
Was the Codeine the last Brant bike?
Last projects were:-
codiene 650b
parkwood 650b and 29
london Road (Px)
45650b
fatty trail
knuckleball bars
Cut gate (didn’t make production)
cxxx (didn’t make production)
I've got a pompetamine, inbred and parkwood. I've had a 456 and another inbred. All great bikes to ride.
OO/PX have gone down hill in recent years. Be good to see on-one producing well designed bikes for UK riding again. Not in a Brexit way mind, more that we don't have ski lifts and dusty trails (normally) and tend to play around in the woods and on bridleways.
Spent 3 hours on my Parkwood 29 today, still a brilliant HT. Had it 3 years now and it barely has a stone chip on it despite 9000 miles on it.
Welcome back Brant.
I bought tyres from on one this week, I clicked, paid, they arrived 2 days later, what's the issue?
C'mon Brant, give us a teaser!
newrobdob
...I realised after 3 on-one/px (they dont deserve capitalisation) bikes what utter crocks of crap they were and promised to never darken their doors again...
My experience is 3 Pompinos. One for me and one each for the kids. Daughter outgrew hers, but the others are in regular use and now well over 12 years old and have all their paint.
An extremely versatile bike. Mine has done two 125 mile day rides in the last month faultlessly and comfortably at audax pace. Its all been taken on a fairly robust ride offroad on part of the HT550 route. Again faultless and good handling.
Anyone who has ridden the Orrin Dam route will appreciate that you don't get a bike to this point if it's crap.
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My Scandal was my bike of choice for mtb for many years and again was good handling. It was the black anodised model and its finish is still good. The only reason I'm not riding it at the moment is because I bought a TD-1...
brant - if that jonesalike frame where the seat stays morphed into the top tube without being welded to the seat tube is still about is love to know how it rides!
wwaswas, that (Cut Gate) was sold of in a staff sale a few months ago. Owner, no longer with the company, tagged me on Instagram. He loves it.
Brant - if we are putting in requests; I`d be happy to buy a disc braked version of the Ragley Cragvale please ... and able to fit up to 30mm tyres.
Brant, please don't forget the 6ft3 plus group and just do small, medium and large.
Any thoughts on a remake of the Scandal in raw? Thanks
Got time for Brant & his designs but no fan of OO /PX brand anymore. So we'll see...still on my Scandal 29er so in no rush
I've had two Inbreds, a Scandal 29er, two Brant-era Ragleys and I'm currently the proud owner of a custom Pact that Brant helped realise for me.
But there's no way the lieing, cheating, dishonest crooks at OO/PX will ever see any business from me. I've more self-respect than that.
Grr
You know what they say..the two happiest days of a man's life are the day he buys an on one
And the day he sells it
The Pompino I had was a great bike wish I hadn't sold it and wish I'd got the disc version. Would look at buying one if they were back in stock. Titus are great bikes I love my elguapo and my fireline. Titus just needed to be marketed better by OO.
You know what they say..the two happiest days of a man’s life are the day he buys an on one
And the day he sells iT
Good WOWS quote there 🙂
On One has completely lost its way in terms of the bikes it offers. Contrast them with Alpkit/Sonder, each bike they launch makes me consider n+1
My experience is 3 Pompinos.
Mine is
a) 100mm travel inbred, first of the own tubing (DN6?) rangr
b) 853 inbred
c) PX Kaffenback
Riding friends have had:
a) white inbred x 3
b) 853 inbred
c) kaffenbak x2
d) carbon 456 x2
i don’t think any of the people who owned any of the above would buy another OO/PX.
Only person I know who still rides his has a PX carbon time trial bike which he was bought as a present.
My list of oo bikes
early fully rigid Inbred for road use and for Mrs
steel 456 x 2 just tin see what the steel hardtail fuss was about
ti lynskey 456 the nicest hardtail iv owned lovely bike
s ragly mmbop bit heavy and stiff for my kind of relationship doing (this was b4 the ti bike)
on one parkwood it’s done absolutely miles. Bike packing winter some big lakes descents still own it but it looks well used.
I fancied a ti fireline for ages but would look for something that has bolt through axle and clearance for B+ tyres now.
All of mine were second hand so I didn’t ever deal with the oo customer service dpt
agree the crap names gairish paint schemes and flaky paint do put me off a bit now.
Mans why kill off your big names ?? Look at mini bmw knew what a know brand is.
The 456 , scandal etc were known and loved
not so the deedar and spacechicken
I cannot express how much I hate this company and cant for the life of me understand why anyone would buy from them. They are nothing more than brand whores buying any now defunct brand name that once stood for something good and slapping on a frame named and coloured by primary school children.
Once the 'marketing dept' is signed off on whatever inane shit name it comes up with its then emailed out to some shit hole chinese company with its falling off approach to QC. Its then punted out on a random yo-yoing pricing structure for some lucky punters to then discover the QC fails.
I'd rather not ride at all than than have to ride anything from 'insertwhateverbrandnameboughthere'. In fact **** it - i'd rather ride an ebike, thats how much hate I have for the company.
Had an inbred, the old white one, pretty much the only people offering something of that ilk at he time and rather liked it
As people say, the range has gone a bit nuts since, and somehow lost a bit of that charm.
Personally I've always had a good experience with them.
I cannot express how much I hate this company and cant for the life of me understand why anyone would buy from them.
+10000
I also can not understand how they’ve managed to gain apologists for their crap QC. When that issue with the seatpost fitting came up (London road frame?) people on here were saying “what’s the fuss, it’s a cheap frame, what do you expect?” - WTF????? Just because something is cheap doesn’t mean if it is unfit for purpose you should just cope with it. I bought a Handsome Dog frame once for £75 (all terrain bike shop own brand) and I’ve only just built it up (had it for years as a frame). Nicely made, everything straight and everything fits well, paint is good quality too. There is no excuse for crap QC at the On-One prices.
Then we have the appalling customer service from them (AND Brant who a few years ago knew about the crap design features on his bikes but didn’t do anything about it with his newer frames - it’s not just the company On-One that is to blame) and that is enough from me. I’ll do what I can to make sure no-one buys anything from them again. I don’t have to exaggerate or tell lies about my experiences, they speak for themselves and I know others have had identical issues so I’m not on my own.
And this is added to the numerous times they’ve tried to deny people their consumer rights - I hope they go out of business.
1)Whats wrong with buying names that are dying? I'd rather see Holdsworth alive in some ones hands than gone. Good business surely?
2) Customer service has been crap for many but how many like me have had a better than expected experience? Some surely.
3) Chinese buying? Why not ? They are not the only ones. Ribble for example.
4. Silly names. WTF? Its a name, who is pathetic enough to care about a name? Better than many, Trek for example. At least the names are funny.
PX serves a purpose. You'll know when it gets it wrong, they'll shut.
It all depends on the level of death a brand has gone through. Nothing worse than a firm saying "since whenever" when I know that literally nothing but the logo has any connection with the original company or its employees. Not sure if PX do this with Holdsworth but the mystique (model name from yesteryear) looks identical to a Tifosi Cavazzo. At least Tifosi have done their bit to build up a brand and not just claim a link to the past.
Fwiw I've had both sorts of OO/PX customer service and Brant being back is a positive imho, cheap and cheerful original designs appeal to me a lot more than rebadged open mould bikes.
The reason On One/PX bought so many respected names wasn't anything to do with saving them; it was so they could trade on the goodwill for a while, while delivering standard On One shitty service and products. Tomac's the best example of this, compare that with Saracen...
I liked my 45650b but it rarely gets used now I've a full suss.
I thought they were going under after the local Barnsley store closed?
Gary Fisher and Keith Bontrager could join them and I still wouldn’t put a penny their way. Took them three attempts to send the correct rear mech hanger out to me. On the third time the a-hole on the customer disservice line told me that he couldn’t next day it, even though it meant I couldn’t take my own bike on a long planned holiday. My bad for assuming the mech hanger for a dirty disco on their website actually fitted a dirty disco.
Just done 130km on my 29er Inbred this morning. Frame and its paint still going strong. No signs of corrosion. Cost £130 new. Can't say fairer than that.