This. It's not a 29er, which is WRONG. It should be a 29er. Why, oh why don't Whyte like making 29er hardtails?* Would be buying one if they did.
AAARGH!
*Rhetorical question. I know why. Still annoys me.
I've got a Whyte 629, it's ace. I think it's still in the model line-up.
looks like a 2005 kona
Yeah I always wondered why they didn't just make it compatible with both Plus and 29" wheels. Weird when the 529/629 look great at a lower price point, why not make the 900 series an extension of that?
I find Scott's insistence on using Twinloc on all their FS bikes infuriating too. They are efficient enough as it is without adding all that gubbins on. If they made a Spark with normal fork/shock and slightly more aggressive geometry it'd be a killer bike. Basically make a Transition Spur with Scott stickers on it! A Spark DC as opposed to RC if you will...
All the uk full suss bikes that can't fit a full size water bottle, or worse still put it under the down tube to get covered in crap.
Currently, for me anyway, it's any road disc frame that has through axel's front and rear and 142+ spacing so I can't use my existing wheels and components. This seems to be all of them.
Yeti
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I vote for my current bike the orbea occam based only on the weird brace from the downtube to seattube. It's not there on their ebike which is essentially the same geometry but much heavier, which makes you wonder why they needed it there. It's just a bit odd visually and it means you need a left handed cage. Not a deal breaker but it would look better without it.
That Whyte is minging. It's not like you don't have a choice from about a million 29er hardtails that look much nicer.
Any bike that is unnecessarily heavy.
Any bike that doesn't come in a size small.
Any small frame bike with a 200mm dropper making the 'small' size unsuitable for smaller riders.
Bikes with only a rear brake.
BMX's
Gravel bikes annoy me.
Just ride a mtb from the 90's and fit drops if you need to feel special/different 🙂
Bikes in a range that deliberately have a spec that is significantly purer than the model above it. In order to make the better model appear good value for money.
Or great bikes in crap colour schemes.
Higher end bikes only coming in black. I like black but it's all very boring.
Gravel term used in the UK to describe easy off road. There must be a better word.
Pansy?
The answer to the original question is because they can't even design in decent clearance to their 27.5s, nofrigginchance of them being able to do it on their 29s.*
* Entirely based on frustrating experience of a very limited number of 4 year old bikes from several generations back.
Gravel term used in the UK to describe easy off road. There must be a better word.
A better term for riding on a surface that is literally gravel, mmmm.
Gravel bikes annoy me.
Just ride a mtb from the 90’s and fit drops if you need to feel special/different
I used to feel the same until I bought one on a whim. Now I love them. Ideal combination of decent abilities to just get out and ride when I don’t want to go full gnar on the MTB.
Literally any bike when it's not being ridden.
Don't get me wrong, I love bikes, but storage wise they're a nightmare, things that stick out to bash yourself on, they won't stand up by themselves, They take up way too much room...Really annoying.
I'm not sure how you are supposed to buy an "mtb from the 90s" short of using a time machine. There isn't even much second hand from that era that is still in decent working order. It's irrelevant though. I have a fairly well maintained Specialized Rockhopper from around 1993. My wife still uses it to ride into the bottom of mountains and it's still a fine bike. Feels totally different to my "gravel" bike though (not that I like the term much either). The latter feels closer to the touring bikes of my youth than the ATBs (as they were called then). It's all just bikes though.
I have only discovered this recently, but blind bearings in FS frame. Gah. Took me days.
Another thing that annoys me are people trying to justify their bikes 🙂
Why would anybody need to justify a bike? That's like justifying eating or breathing 🙂
Bike that people buy just to flex their wallets.
Transition Trans AM - why did they make it from the heaviest substance known to man. Great bike and weight doesn’t normally bother me but that thing was just heavy for no real reason
Tandems.
Really annoying.
They take twice as long to go past when you're waiting to cross the road.
I think dirt bike best suits what I ride mine on but that name is already taken.
+1 for storing bikes. Especially if your garage also doubles as a gym and you need to maximise space
People whinging that someone is ‘over-biked’ or riding a dentist bike just because they can’t afford something that expensive (I have guilty of this in the past) or want to ride a smaller bike. Some people can only afford 1 bike to do everything. While others can afford the shiniest toy going.
Wish I could afford shiny toys.
People whinging that someone is ‘over-biked’ ... just because they can’t afford something that expensive
Hold on, overbiked is nothing to do with cost, it’s about your suspension travel/head angle/tyre casing being unsuitably overspecced for its apparent use.
£10k worth of Yeti ARC race hardtail is not overbiked, for example.
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+1 for storing bikes.
There must be a simple and elegant solution for a folding/rotating stem to allow them to stack closely. Mega-wide handlebars don't help.
Literally any bike when it’s not being ridden.
Don’t get me wrong, I love bikes, but storage wise they’re a nightmare, things that stick out to bash yourself on, they won’t stand up by themselves, They take up way too much room…Really annoying.
This is exactly the sort of petty annoyance this is about!
Carrera ebikes that whizz past me on my + up a vile uphill road section with the sweetest looking old dear at the bars chuckling at me as she does...
I used to feel the same until I bought one on a whim. Now I love them. Ideal combination of decent abilities to just get out and ride when I don’t want to go full gnar on the MTB.
Yep, same here.
I’m not sure how you are supposed to buy an “mtb from the 90s” short of using a time machine. There isn’t even much second hand from that era that is still in decent working order.
You are not looking very hard, there are loads, you can even buy unused ones! If you went over to retrobike and put a wanted ad up you'd have plenty of choice within a day.
Or the days of youth gone by, when a bike was a bike, just a means to go and explore, adventure and have fun. When nobody got snobbish as about whos cost more etc etc
Actually, thinking about it, the gravel bikes that do really annoy me more than normal gravel bikes are the ones that have droppers and suspension, front and rear. Now they are annoying. Not content with being a ridged Mtb from the 90's with drops - no, they now want to be like a modern Mtb, with drops.
I remember seeing John Tomac racing a bike like that late 87 round a XC course, with drop bars. Margam Park I think. He won, but did look daft.
I saw an annoying gravel bike advertised a while back - it had flat bars. Flat bars, like the marketing department had just invented the idea !
Literally any bike when it’s not being ridden.
I wonder what percentage of cargo / delivery bikes sold in the UK never even turn a pedal - and are instead destined to spend an eternity chained up outside a sandwich shop alluding to a service they don't actually provide
£10k worth of Yeti ARC race hardtail is not overbiked, for example.
It is if you're overweight.
Gravel bikes, purely because of the marketing bollocks that goes with them.
Red bull are currently running a video of someone riding one down a section of very basic singletrack, not massively fast, as 'making suspension gossip redundant'. It's cringeworthy.
The bikes themselves are fine, I'd happily have one, but don't kid yourself an XC bike wouldnt be a better tool for singletrack riding.
Regarding to my last post, it was referring to 2 different annoying things and not meaning that a £10k XC hard tail was ‘overbiked’ more about people complaining about others with very expensive stuff (especially if they’re not that good/overweight/etc) and complainers about overbiked riders.
I am neither as I now only have a cheap hardtail (although I am middle aged and overweight these days).
Oh yes, the storage thing. 100% annoying.
I've just moved house this year and got a nice big new garage, my car fits in really well but what I'm struggling with is where to fit the MASSIVE 29" wheeled, long wheel base, wide barred trail bike. I love it when I'm riding it but it is such a pita shape and size.
Any bike where the cable routing has obviously been designed purely for running the rear brake on the right, meaning that to run it on the left results in awkward-looking hose loops. PUT YOU BRAKES ON THE CORRECT DAMN SIDE AND DESIGN IT THAT WAY!
Mega-wide handlebars don’t help.
I had my bikes all hung up really nicely all fitting together well for years. Then I started modernising, and got bikes with wide bars, big wheels and long wheelbases. It's now completely bollocksed up.
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Free MemberThis. It’s not a 29er, which is WRONG. It should be a 29er. Why, oh why don’t Whyte like making 29er hardtails?* Would be buying one if they did.
Have they actually discontinued the 29ers? They're all sold out on the website but this has been a selly-out sort of a year
Cannondale’s Lefty forks.... WHY!? There’s no need and no point and they just look s**t. Funny how no one else has ever felt the need to make a mono-leg. Reinventing the wheel and if it ain’t broke don’t fix it spring to mind!
They've discontinued the Lefty fork now and introduced the Righty. It's not compatible with the Lefty but according to the marketing it's 5% stiffer.
I’ve just moved house this year and got a nice big new garage, my car fits in really well but what I’m struggling with is where to fit the MASSIVE 29″ wheeled, long wheel base, wide barred trail bike. I love it when I’m riding it but it is such a pita shape and size.
You put your car in a garage?
#weirdo
- internal cable/hose routing that hasn't been executed properly. FFS
- kids bikes with suspension at either end. They don't need it, really.
- Giant/Liv di2 battery-holding wedges. Seriously, who designed them..
- garages with a car in
Bikes spec'd with a rear mech that's posher than the rest of the drivetrain so it looks good on the bike shop floor
Rubbish tyres on new bikes
Forgetting to disengage lockouts
Pinarello
I have no idea why I have a strong dislike for recumbent bikes with a little orange flag on them.
Whyte love making stupid decision, the 929 was a stupidly good bike, that they made for one season then dropped in favour of dumbed down 7/6/529. The 929 sold out before it hit the shops, yet no point in making any more, was there..
The storage thing is a good one! I have 3 bikes to store in an Asgard 29er shed and by heck with wide bars is it tight! Somehow I've had to move 2 of them around recently. They fitted very nicely before and now, for some reason, getting the last one in is a nightmare! It's not actually a problem, because they do fit (just) but christ it's annoying when you just want to put one away!
While we're at it. Di2. Nice when it came out, now completely pointless. A pain to install, expensive and not particularly neat either.
UK designed bikes with poor mud clearance/mud shelves behind the bottom bracket.
Bikes that don't come in XL (i'm 6'4")
Steel full suspension bikes (I don't see what benefits they have over alu or carbon)
Bikes with rearward facing seatpost slots
Another one:
When non-bike brands try to make a mountain bike because they want to eschew a 'sporty' image. Urgh. Bonus annoying points if they call it a 'concept'.
they want to eschew a ‘sporty’ image
[Insert Inigo Montoya meme here] Eschew means to reject or to abstain from....
Steel full suspension bikes (I don’t see what benefits they have over alu or carbon)
They look nicer by a massive margin in my opinion. The Swarf Contour is a thing of beauty and the Starling bikes look great too. No fat bits or hydro-formed weirdness. Just nice clean lines made form a material that will take a massive beating and last for ages
Eschew means to reject or to abstain from…
Oh yeah. I probably meant espouse, but even that doesn't really fit. Project.
Any bike with 141mm QR rear axle.
Cup and cone bearings. I hate the bloody things, from too loose to too tight in 1 18th of a turn.
Cannondale’s Lefty forks…. WHY!? There’s no need and no point and they just look s**t.
There is actually an engineering reason for this. In most forks the lowers move up and down on bushings which can be prone to stiction. So Cannondale thought about this and realised if they had two square tubes sliding inside each other they could run on needle roller bearings with zero stiction (a concept I also invented back in college, but never implemented 🙂 ). This ends up being quite heavy, but then they realised that if the tubes were square they could get away with only one leg thereby saving weight - because it can't twist. Guessing the headshock comes from the same idea.
And Lefties are indeed very plush with great small bump sensitivity, although these days lubrication, materials and design have caught up mostly with traditional forks. They have made some pretty light ones in the past too. The current top model is a touch heavier than a SID but I'll bet it's got better small bump compliance. But then, it's apparently not that important to the market since you don't see that many being ridden.
Snotrag you lost me when you said you put an actual car in your garage 😬😬😬
All the bikes with rim brakes.
In this age and time all rim brakes should be dumped into history landfill and buried as deep as possible.
Nasty, ineffective, dangerous stuff of the past...
Cheers!
I.
In the dry my campagnolo rim brakes have better modulation and work better than many disc brakes. They weigh less, look better and mean my wheels are also lighter. It also means I don't have silly massive brake hoods.
I don't ride that bike in the wet...
10k road bikes annoy me - they really don't need to be that much.
All the bottle bosses. not a fan of the text either. Sorry cotic
All the bikes with rim brakes.
In this age and time all rim brakes should be dumped into history landfill and buried as deep as possible.
Totally agree with this but our road based brothers fear change. It will come in time. Changing road standards is akin to sneaking up on an Antelope at a watering hole. Move slowly, pause a lot and don’t frighten them or they’ll bounce off in to the sunset
They weigh less, look better and mean my wheels are also lighter. It also means I don’t have silly massive brake hoods.
Are we going to derail this thread then? 🙂
I don't think rim brakes look better, they just look old fashioned
The big brake hoods are one of the best things about my 105 levers - vastly more comfortable than old ones
Rim brakes are crap!
*runs away*
Cannondale’s Lefty forks…. WHY!? There’s no need and no point and they just look s**t. Funny how no one else has ever felt the need to make a mono-leg. Reinventing the wheel and if it ain’t broke don’t fix it spring to mind!
I think they look great. Leftys are usually structurally stiffer, with better small bump compliance. Although modern forks are catching up. Running on bearings rather than bushings they also don't bind when cornering or braking. Something most riders don't even think about, but is happening. Several other companies have produced rigid or suspended struts, most notably USE.
- bikes with upside down bottle cages
- bikes that rattle or creak
- internal cable routing ports that pop out or don't fit properly
- forks and frames covered in bikepacking, rack or fender mounts like warts
- hubs with cup and cone bearings. Also hubs with bearing preload adjusters that have no sweet spot between bearing play and binding. Older Mavic and Newmen hubs for example.
Bikes that are annoying - Bromptons! No idea why but they just get on my tits.
On the storge front, I just bought a 3m long scaffold pole and a couple of socket wall brackets and fixed it up spanning between the garage walls high up, at the moment I have 4 road/gravel bikes and my wifes rigid mtb hanging up there with room for another. Other mtb's are on the floor below them stood with a wheel in a cycle rack.
hubs with cup and cone bearings. Also hubs with bearing preload adjusters that have no sweet spot between bearing play and binding
In my experience, if they you can't remove the play without them binding then the bearings are worn out. New bearings, nice round balls, this doesn't happen.
Rim brakes are crap!
Internets high five!
Totally agree on Bromptons - British success story they may be, innovative and very foldy they are but thats no excuse to make them out of scaffold poles. Even the ti bits weigh more than any other ti bits I know of! How can a tiny bike weigh sooo much?
Or the days of youth gone by, when a bike was a bike, just a means to go and explore, adventure and have fun. When nobody got snobbish as about whos cost more etc etc
Your specs are far too pink. Everybody gets snobbish about everything, teenagers especially.
I remember seeing John Tomac racing a bike like that late 87 round a XC course, with drop bars. Margam Park I think. He won, but did look daft.
I can pretty much guarantee that it wasn't Margam, and while you may have seen him race in 1987 he didn't use drop bars until a few years later, and that was only for a season.
Proprietary components on bikes. My Trek is basically a write-off as the shock is worn out and no spare parts available. Normally a new shock would sort it but it uses an odd length and is a trunnion mount so there's nothing that fits without spending a lot of money in getting it modified to either restrict the travel or bodge it with less.
Any bike with 141mm QR rear axle.
Seconded.
Or the days of youth gone by, when a bike was a bike, just a means to go and explore, adventure and have fun. When nobody got snobbish as about whos cost more etc etc
Anodising, Paul's anything, who had the most gears, whose was the lightest...
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Free MemberCannondale’s Lefty forks…. WHY!? There’s no need and no point and they just look s**t.
Ah, I love a lefty, they just look so weird. OK so most times that's not good but on the right bike that can be fantastic. The Cannondale fatbike with the lefty on is just awesome
In my experience, if they you can’t remove the play without them binding then the bearings are worn out. New bearings, nice round balls, this doesn’t happen.
They were new straight out the box from both companies, so can't have been worn out. IMO a cartridge bearing hub that needs a preload adjuster is a bad design. DT Swiss and others have no problem keeping things tight yet spinning freely without.
Not had any issue with *counts* 5 Newmen hubs!
Bikes with stupidly long seat tubes above the top tube. Mostly because pivots on seat tube stop droppers going low enough. For us with short legs, this is a really pain.
My Ibis (L) 210mm dropper no problem. Bro's Post Cannondale (L) 120mm and only just!
Agree with cartridge hubs that also have preload adjusters, it's a weird worst-of-both-worlds design and most of all it just doesn't really do anything. You only have to look at all the cartridge hubs without it to see it's daft.
Your specs are far too pink. Everybody gets snobbish about everything, teenagers especially.
Yep, as a teenager when I got my 89 Tufftrax and my pal got his 90 Palisades we laughed at the lads we knew that rode Emmelle Dolomite's. The year after they both got Alpinestars, one an Al-Mega XT and they laughed at us.
I remember seeing a couple of blokes ride up Skipton High Street on 90 Team Marin's and wondering how on earth anyone could afford them.
It was no better back then, probably worse.
Not had any issue with *counts* 5 Newmen hubs!
But are they from before or after Newmen changed the design because there were so many issues? 😉
- bikes with remote fork lockouts. Don't see the need for them. Added weight and clutter as well.
- suspension frames with loads of pivot bearings. Current Norco Sight has 16!
