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I jest, enjoy your trip 👍

PS: I've just brought one of these for a planned multi day trip:

https://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/BAPODSULWTT/podsacs-ultra-lite-waterproof-wedge-tt-bag---black

It's ok, I think it's weak point may be the "loops" that the velcro passes through to attach it to the frame. I'm gonna give it a go, buy cheap buy twice might ring true. I'd probably not want to set off around Africa with it.

Yeah, yeah that’s fair 🙂 Maybe I should stop trying to be hip and call it what it is ‘touring by bicycle’. There is NO WAY I (or my mate) were going to consider camping.

I like the idea of long days in the saddle, taking in all the stuff going on and hopefully some sun drenched welsh landscape, and then having a shower and a beer. And sleeping in a proper bed!

So what are you taking with you that requires multiple bags?

bank card, tools, some toiletries and a change of clothes or 2 should do it?

Probably that plus some form of non SPD footwear. Commuter lights, maybe chain lube. I should lay it out on the bench and work it out from there I guess.

Depends on forecast as well. If it looks mostly dry then tiny packable waterproof. If it looks ‘challenging’ then a proper waterproof can take up a lot of space...

I should lay it out on the bench and work it out from there I guess.

Probably a good shout, then throw half of it away! 😆

🙂 There’s that approach or let my wife go through it. That’ll get it ‘value engineered’ for sure !

I've not done as much as I'd like with the various bags I have; closest I've been to your scenario @Alex is last year, train to a B&B but a weekend biking and then c. 50 mile bike back off road.

I probably overloaded a bit, there was a seat post bag, and a bar bag as well. I abhor travelling when there's tuff that will likely be needed but might be left behind. Jacket, decent warm clothes for the evening (incl. shoes), change of 3/4 longs as well I think. The forecast was pretty ropey so wasn't going to be without.

Verdict - bar bag was good (didn't use it in anger on the riding days, just to and from home); seat bag needs to really cinched up to avoid wobble - Revelate by preference. Ortlieb and others are adequate.

I'll see if I can find a pic and tag you.

I bought and used the On One bundle. Did the Hebridean way last week using the kit and it was great. Loads of room, attached well to the bike, totally waterproof. Big thumbs up from me

This bundle: https://www.on-one.co.uk/i/q/ZXDBABIETAHAWBUN/deluxe-bag-it,-boil-it,-eat-it--have-a-wash-bundle

Thanks Callum 🙂 For some reason I don’t like bar bags. I’m willing to be converted tho! I’m definitely NOT going to the pub in my riding gear so a change into ‘normal’ clothes will be required. I’m also not cutting my toothbrush in half!

So what are you taking with you that requires multiple bags?

I’m going with him. He keeps mentioning some sort of sports sandals that he needs to pack for the evenings so it must be those taking up all the room.

I have told him that if he brings them I’m setting fire to them.

Is Lon Las Cymru on or off-road? If off-road and you are using a dropper then be careful of any saddlebag.

Depending on how "sensitive" you are, 13L might be a bit big for a saddle bag. You'll always get some sway with a soft mounted saddle bag but some designs limit it. Does depend on what you take and how you pack it. I've never noticed sway once I reduced the load.

The Planetx/podsac kit seems to be OK, I've not used it myself but people whose opinions I trust have. As @qwerty says, OK for testing the water and occasional usage but possibly not for extended trips in the remote wilderness.

I've used this https://www.alpkit.com/products/airlok-xtra-tapered on its own before now. I don't think it is 13L when the top is rolled up and fastened, more like 10L. I prefer larger top tube bags than the one linked to, the small ones just seem a lot of faff IMO.

Make a pile of the kit you need then chuck half of it away. Seriously. Most people take far too much stuff*. You only need one set of clothes (t-shirt, shorts, underpants, maybe a warm top) for night time - you'll be at different places each night so no-one other than you and your mate will know you wore the same t-shirt last night as well. If you are stopping in B&Bs then they'll have wash stuff so no need to take that, just toothbrush and a small tube of toothpaste.

Share stuff like spares, tools, First Aid Kit. There's no need to take two pumps, two multi-tools, etc. Your wallet can be reduced to credit/debit card and some cash in a small ziplock.

* I get bikepacking.com's journal. In this edition there's a flyer: "The dumbest things we've taken bikepacking". The list includes: complete works of Ernest Hemingway; sportcoat; musk ox skull; tournament chess set; inflatable pink flamingo; high heels (I know you look good in those); 20 litres of wine.

3 weeks today two of us will be riding the classic Welsh C2C (Lon Las Cymru).

Just don't take any luxuries bar maybe one extravagance. Try to avoid doubling up on things if you can. My best purchase was some new SPD shoes (Shimano XM7) - not only are they properly waterproof, the cleat was really well recessed so they were great for off-bike as well. Even if I wanted to look "smart" in the pub in the evening I'd just (after showering!) wear my baggies & XM7s with a cheap, technical check shirt or something.

I'd avoid spending more money on bags that might not be necessary and/or only used once.

"Proper" roadie-style jerseys can carry quite a lot in pockets so don't forget that space.

I like balancing the load front and rear but remember that any sort of bar bag can restrict front light fitment and visibility.

Thanks all. For some reason Adam (Squealer above) has an issue with my ‘action sandals’ 🙂 Proven on many different terrains over the years, and look good worn with a sock!

Good advice all. I definitely don’t want to buy stuff to use once. The route is mostly on-road with maybe a few tracks. The resupply was fortuitous as my wife and daughter are ‘in the area’ doing a spa day.

I only ride SPDs on the Tempest. I am still wondering about riding flats but pretty long days so probably best to stick with an old pair of MTB shoes. I’m not buying new shoes I’ll definitely only use for a week!

I am intrigued by Whitestone’s list. Although 20 litres of wine doesn’t sound like a luxury to me, more ‘essential medical supplies'

I definitely don’t want to buy stuff to use once.

Not my list (I'd agree about the wine though). Two of the other items were an ex-boyfriend and a bow and arrow. Hopefully not carried by the same person!! Remember it's a list by Americans.

Six years or so ago my wife and I went B&B style touring on the Outer Hebrides, Skye, Ardnamurchan and Mull for a week. We both had Carradice saddle bags of less than 15L in volume and that was plenty enough. These days I'd get camping/bivvying kit in that volume as well.

Make a list of stuff, post it here and we'll attack it 😊

That’s my kind of thinking 🙂

Ah Americans. That explains it 🙂

Make a list of stuff, post it here and we’ll attack it 😊

I’ll have a go this evening. It’ll also give the STW audience first sight of the ‘action sandal’ so finally putting to bed Adam’s irrational hatred of this fine and practical footwear 🙂

If mostly road then I assume some sort of frame / half frame bag would soak up the pump, tools, tube kind of stuff. That'd be first port of call. Anything to keep weight off your back & shoulders.

Bike clothes - spare gloves, socks. I guess resupply takes care of spare shorts. Decent but light waterproof jacket (and possibly shorts). Gilet. Arm warmers. Maps likely online but maybe spare paper copies.

Off the bike stuff - packable trainers / crocs. Warm jacket possibly (depends how much you'll be outside at the rest stops). Phone battery pack. Toilet bag. Suncream (shared).

I don’t want to take a camelbak or equivalent. Even tho I have some very light/small ones. Having had a quick look at my STW purchased seat pack, it’s a bit bigger than I thought. I’m now thinking that plus a frame bag and little fuel pod type thingy allied to some judicious packing might be perfect.

I reckon I’d strap my non riding shoes to the side of the seat pack. Bit of rigidity and save space. I know a mate did that and it worked well.

I feel a spreadsheet coming on 😉

Lomo make a decent seatpack, but I always use a rack and panniers for road touring.

The best bit about credit card touring is how lightweight you can go without being uncomfortable.

No need for loads of spare clothes - just wash the bike stuff in the sink each night and squeeze it out by twisting it in a towel.

If you're going to be doing any self-catering then a wee string backpack (the kind kids use for their swim kit) can be useful. Oh, and flip-flops are the easiest footwear to carry.

Oh another Q. We’ve go the guidebook, the GPX (going onto a Garmin) but we’re probably not going to take paper maps. I want a backup to the Garmin tho on my phone. Any recommendations for best turn by turn mapping app?

I want a backup to the Garmin tho on my phone. Any recommendations for best turn by turn mapping app?

If you have Android, OSMAnd is great and easy to use. There's a free version which would be fine for your trip, plus a paid version which allows more map downloads and is well worth it. As others have said, you don't need a lot of stuff if you are staying in B+Bs, you probably won't see the same people again so no one will notice if you wear the same t-shirt each night! Easiest option is to get an Alpkit Airlok Xtra and strap it straight to your handlebars. This will hold flip flops, clothes and wash kit and be stable enough. If you decide you like bikepacking/touring you can always invest in proper bags later on.

you probably won’t see the same people again so no one will notice if you wear the same t-shirt each night!

Merino is your friend if you're going to wear stuff repeatedly for several nights. Stick it in a basket on the front of your bike with a toothbrush sawn in half, a credit card and you're good to go. Maybe.

In terms of personal hygiene I find that if you go into Lush cosmetics they may give you a sampler of their solid deodorant Aromaco bar, or Guv’nor powder. Both work well and take up much less space than aerosol.
Friend and I did similar to you a few years back and just used small panniers. I was using just under 18litres capacity and had taken spare tee shirts and riding kit.

Day 1 https://shedbrewed.blogspot.com/2013/08/holyhead-to-home-part-13.html?m=1

Day 2 https://shedbrewed.blogspot.com/2013/08/harlech-to-home-part-23.html?m=1

Day 3
https://shedbrewed.blogspot.com/2013/10/33-rhayader-to-home.html?m=1

Agree on the flip flops front. I tried to go ultra light on that front once and made some using closed cell foam sleeping mat and duck tape. Very light but usless. Just went without in the end.

This would be my kit list.

Bike wear:
Whatever you feel most comfortable in.
Waterproof - lightweight if little chance of rain, heavier model if it's going to be wet.

Evening wear and spare clothes:
T-shirt
Lightweight trousers, either full or 3/4 depending on taste and how warm it is
Underpants
Very lightweight top if it's going to be cool.
Flip-flops
Spare cycling socks

Personal Hygiene:
Toothbrush (not cut down) and small tube of toothpaste
Very small tub of bum cream
Ziplock bag of talc powder (I prefer this to bum cream for dealing with sweat and subsequent saddle soreness)
Sun cream, though it is Wales.

Kit:
Pump
Inner tube or two
Patch kit
Tyre levers
multi-tool
Power plug with USB socket to charge GPS and phone (including leads)
GPS
Phone
FA Kit, mostly to deal with cuts and scrapes
Credit/debit card and cash.

That lot would easily go into one of the Alpkit tapered bags I linked to earlier and a reasonable sized top tube bag with room to spare for some snacks. Pump and inner tubes could be frame mounted.

That’s fairly minimal. I’d be adding my non-phone camera, commuter lights if it all goes wrong and we get lost and run out of light. Pump is already on the frame. Neat little Birzman pump/Co2 combo.

I’ll pile stuff on the bench later and see how it looks.

Thanks for the mapping recommendation.

Will have a read of those blogs later as well. Ta.

Ah, forgot about lights, but then they'd be on the bike as well rather than in a bag. Proper camera - never sure these days when phones are so capable. I'll take mine on off-road rides especially if it's an adventure rather than routine.

Minimal but more than adequate.

my ‘action sandals’ 🙂 Proven on many different terrains over the years, and look good worn with a sock!

To quote your good self back at you, up until now I had always considered you one of the sensible members of this forum. 🙂

Every man has his blind spot Martin 🙂 Although my rationale for sporting the action sandal is nuanced

a) I have already paid for them
b) they will annoy Adam
c) see b) and repeat

🙂

Didn’t get the chance to assemble kit tonight. Will attempt to do so tomorrow. I am looking at my toothbrush now and thinking ‘that’s bigger than it needs to be’ 🙂

Did it a few years back in February just as the overhang of a hurricane blew through. It was grim as **** but I refused to be beat - even when I was riding through the driving snow 🙁

I'd taken all my camping shit with me. But **** no - I bnb'd.

If I was bnbing again I'd 1) do it in the summer and 2) take my day pack - a 13l Osprey Raven - and nothing more.

Couple of t-shirts, shorts and flip-flops (maybe) will fit in a pack. Small waterproof. Cards. Spare tube, pump, tool. Everything else can gtfo.

It's not hard on the bike, just the legs. How many days you doing it over?

The Podsac kit gets a thumbs up from me. I have used it a few times bikepacking, credit card touring ( with Mrs I carried all the kit) and use the seat pack and or frame bag on occasional commute. Wouldnt use it to go round the world but its good for occasional use.

My mates and I did a trip like yours last year and all four of us had the same set up - a large ortlieb saddle bag and bizarrely a swim hat strapped to the bars. All spare clothing fit into the swim hat (and stayed dry) and other bits and bobs (tools, flip flops and waterproof) fit nicely in the saddle bag, with room for sarnies etc. And then you’ve got your back pockets too...

All good info

@checvychase - 4 nights based on the guidebook I bought. Middle days look a bit lumpy. Definitely glad we’re doing it in summer. Let’s hope it’s one of those dry and warm weeks…

I really don’t want to carry a pack. Still dithering on frame luggage. Best get a wriggle on as really need to test it before leaving! I’m not sure about the swim-hat tho...

Not had time to prep kit yet. But I did end up going for the Alpkit bags. They are just such nice people to deal with.

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I need a two bolt post so I can fit the frame rail I bought which makes the seat bag more secure and easy to slide on and off.

The quadlock bike mount feels really secure. I’m using ‘BikeGPX’ app which is really basic but works well with imported GPX files.

Proper test next week. Before which 46T rear sprocket and a crack at tubeless.

Had a quick ride - too damn hot - and it felt fine. Hardly could tell with a lightly loaded pack. Might need a shorter water bottle for the seat tube as it pushes into the bag.

That looks very tidy. Are you planning on watching telly on your phone as you cruise along? 🙂

Depends if Adam is boring me 🙂 Phone is the secondary-nav as Ad’s Garmin does tend to throw electronic strops and turn itself off at inappropriate times!

Looks spot on! Always like matching luggage 😎 If the bottle position bothers you, you can can get adaptors that will allow you to lower them. I think Wolf Tooth make one, otherwise it's easy enough to make one with a drill and a bit of aluminium like I did.

That’s an option. I check it out. Ta.

Looks good that Alex. Though not quite the bargain they once were, the Alpkit stuff is still pretty good value IMO and like you say, decent to deal with.

Some people use the Shimano Di2 battery holder to adjust the position of bottle cages. Might be an option if you can't get hold of the wolftooth one.

Looks great! All you need now is a bar bag with a lightweight tent/bivvy, sleeping bag, etc and you’ve got a PROPER bikepacking setup 😀

If the bottle position bothers you, you can can get adaptors that will allow you to lower them.

Thanks all. Will defo look at an option to drop the bottle cages.

I fully appreciate we’re not really doing bike packing. And I’m extremely happy with that 🙂 Went tubeless today. No drama really but see if they are up in the morning.

I fully appreciate we’re not really doing bike packing.

You're out on your bike.

It may be more "bike touring" than "bike packing" but there's no rules really so I wouldn't worry about it. I stopped in an hotel when "racing" the HT550 for example.

Mate I’m just finishing 3 months bike touring in Europe. One seat bag 11 litres total weight 2kg 😉 Hotels, B&B and homestay. I did the north to South Wales 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 route MTB and one girl got everything in her camelback 😉 B&B, hostels. I just used a light weight 25lt back pack. Most people carry way too much. If your bikes well serviced good tubeless tyres then personally wouldn’t expect any mechanical problems in a week 😊 After three months no mechanicals or punctures. Worn out three chains, two sets brake pads and on second set of tyres but that’s over 4500 miles 😉

@whitestone - thanks. For me, it still feels like an adventure!

@pawsy_beat - fair enough. Although tubeless tyres are currently a bit of an issue. Amount of stans I’ve put in, probably less weighty to stick a tube in!

Realistically you can do without one of the water bottles, and if you flip the frame bag the other way around you’ll have less issues with the down tube bottle catching it.
Have fun.

I just did the capital trail fully self supported as my first proper bike-packing trip. Used the Planet X bags which, for the money, were great and held just the right amount of stuff and were stable and waterproof. Had a fantastic trip but my take a ways as a first timer were as follows... Gearing: on a loaded 29er 32x42 wasn't low enough, for the ride we did i regularly found myself wishing for an extra few gears to spin up the steep grassy climbs on a loaded steel hardtail. Arse: fresh dry under shorts and bum butter every day. Water: I took a filter so I could fill up anywhere but in reality I was able to buy bottled water for my camel pack in pretty much every wee town. Waterproofs: a set of waterproof shorts or cheap trousers would have kept me a lot more comfortable one day.

Enjoy it, we had a blast.

Yeah gearing is the one thing I’m a bit worried about. 40/46 should be okay but there are some long climbs. A test pack weighs in at about 35lbs with two full water bottles. About the same as my FS and a full Camelbak. Still that runs on 32/46!

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5 days until we go. Forecast looking good at the moment. Shame I didn’t lose that half stone I promised myself I would 😉

That looks fab Alex. How are the ‘none tubeless’ tubeless tyres going? Are they staying up ok.

Front is brilliant. No issue at all. Rear is okay but would need pumping up every day. I’ve invested in a tubeless version just to take any anxiety away! Will fit before I go.

I did three days around Argyll last year in youth hostels.

Med alpkit drybag on a set of old tri-bars on the front. My 15lt day riding pack.
Mini_oab had same drybag on top of a pannier and a tiny hydration pack with tools and inner tubes.
Lights and pump were mounted on the bikes.

I really didn’t want a bag on the bars. Not sure why just had a feeling it’d make steering a bit harder and I already feel those bars are 400mm too short 🙂

Wrote a thing. Like all the things I write for my blog, it contains swear words. Or as I like to think of them ‘wordy punctuation’ - https://pickled-hedgehog.com/?p=4403

^^^ enjoyed that!

Thanks 🙂 There will be another one when we’re done. More photos and probably more swearing.

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Admitted defeat on the rear tubeless and bought a proper G-One TLE. Went up and stayed up first time. It’s 35mm not 38mm but I decided that at £15 cheaper, I could live without 3mm 🙂

Went for a hilly 20km ride. Including a bit of gravel and dirt. Things I noticed

- glad I have Hydro’s. It definitely takes more stopping
- Alpkit luggage absolutely rock solid. No issues at all
- Also glad I have the 46. At the end of a long day tho, I still might be pushing.

Still having packing anxiety. Weather looks a bit changeable near the end of the week so tempted to throw a bit more waterproof kit in. Ah well by Monday I’ll be committed with whatever is in there!