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Having just finished my last bottle of Muc Off cleaner and Muc Off wet lube - I need to replace them...but with what? I have no issues with either of these but wondered if there is anything better/cheaper out there.
So what's in your bike cleaning/maintenance kit?
Water from a hose. Brush. 2 min job after riding, then a light spray over gears with FS365 and put bike away. Bike is always gleaming, minimal effort.
Rainwater butt water, brush, then either squirt or green oil.
Never heard of FS365 - is it [url= http://www.bikenation.co.uk/scottoiler-fs365-corrosion-protector-1-litre?utm_source=google_shopping&gclid=CjwKEAiAvauyBRDwuYf3qNyXmW4SJACX9-fXwyOujhlTXR_zr-kE9Sq-96LvmjGTtLzbyuzDWRNYdxoC_j_w_wcB ]this stuff?[/url]
Bucket of cold water with a soft brush after every ride, Lube chain when dry. Every so often clean drive train with toothbrush and a bit of degreaser then relube.
Other than that, nothing.
Fairy liquid, brush, sponge.
Dry off with a towel, spray chain and gears with lube.
Simple, no extra cost neithers..
I usually wait for it to dry then brush/wipe off.
If immediately after a ride I'll use water from a hose on low pressure.
If really mucky, I use Rhino Goo which works better than mucoff in my experience
I just let it dry then knock/brush the worst of it off. Ride and repeat!
I find it much quicker to wash the bike in the car park while it's still wet, rather than wait till I get home when it its had chance to dry (or even days later). All it takes is a quick spray down with the mini washer thingy.
For bigger jobs I've been using Brill Cleaner - worth a look as it works out really cheap once diluted.
liberal spraying with mucoff.... then jetwash at the garage..
Hose pipe with a variable spray/jet nozzle to get the bulk of the mud off. Spray with MuckOff or similar. Run over everything with a brush. Hose pipe to wash off. Spray chain with light lube or water displacing lube like wd40 or similar. Lube chain properly before riding next time. Bike always goes back into the shed clean so that it's ready to go next time I want it.
Hose down and cheap car wash stuff from the pound shop or the like. Dry then lub.
Fairy liquid, brush, sponge.
Fairy liquid has salts in it which isn't ideal. Can lead to corrosion.
Stardrops, better than muc off and safe on rubber and plastics.
I use TFR (Traffic Film Remover) its really designed for proper car washers but at 15 to 20 quid for 25 litres it makes an excellent substitute for muc off and so much cheaper.
I buy it from a local TMS car parts supplier.
Fenwicks concentrate way cheaper than muc off. Just mix it to the level required. Works well on the entire bike, drivetrain included
Exactly the same as bikebouy.
depite the salts things in Fairy, TBH, it's not long enough on the bike to do any damage, and I've been using it for ever, and never seen any corrosion.
+1 Fenwicks, diluted to taste.
Duck Smart as its skin friendly and doesn't set off my dermatitis like Muc Off does!
Don't get muc off. Spray with hose, wash with hot water and fairy liquid and then use gt85 for chain.
Mobi Pressure Washer after each ride
Clean chain and relube
That's it & that's more than what I can be arsed to do at the moment in these dire damp filthy conditions.
Hate it when I can't be arsed to use the pressure washer straight after the ride and put the bike away filthy. It's so much harder to clean if its been left for days. If I finish a ride and it's dark this usually happens.
Hose pipe with a variable spray/jet nozzle to get the bulk of the mud off. Spray with MuckOff or similar. Run over everything with a brush. Hose pipe to wash off.
Works for me as well 🙂
I use car shampoo with a dash of washing up liquid.
Seems to work pretty well enough.
Fenwicks concentrate way cheaper than muc off. Just mix it to the level required. Works well on the entire bike, drivetrain included
This ^^^^^^^^
£1 more than 1l of muckoff, but makes 10l, also great concentrated for drivetrain.
Ducksmark mudslider(????) stops the s***t sticking in the first place. No scrubbing required.
just water and a brush to get the worst off, occasionally I blob a tiny bit of carwash
I don't use anything strong on the drivetrain either, just get it clean with an old rag and toothbrush and apply lube (this is what KMC et al recommend)
nickc - Member
Exactly the same as bikebouy.
+1
I had heard that Fenwicks bike cleaner is the same as the caravan cleaner, which is cheaper again.
Water from a hose. Brush. 2 min job after riding, then a light spray over gears with FS365 and put bike away. Bike is always gleaming, minimal effort.
Waste of time. I just take a slash on mine.
Procrastination. And foresight.
Though I do keep the chain and stanchions pretty spotless.
Fairy liquid has salts in it which isn't ideal. Can lead to corrosion.
I've never got this, surely you're going to rinse the bike down after getting it soapy.. Then lube the bits which need it anyway?
In 20 years I've not had a problem using fairy/washing up liquid
Pressure washer. Blast the hell out of it after every ride.
Buy my bearings 2 sets at a time.
Reckon it's quicker to change bearings once in a while than wash the bike carefully. 😀
P.S. Buy the cheapest BB's, chains etc that I can find.
I've been using the Shimano stuff and it is verynice but now finished so I may scoot along to see what my local auto store has. Never have got on well with MucOff, doesn't seem to do anything for me. Chain gets painted with degreaser using a brush first
I garden hose off the worst then put a brush atatchment on the end of the hose and go over everything.
Anyone that uses Muck Off etc. must be from surrey.
We use Aldi/LIDL "Fairy Liquid" on all the hire fleet and they are washed and serviced after every hire. That's more cleaning than most bikes get. We have no corrosion issues (though the bikes [i]are[/i] replaced at the end of every year).
At home, I tend to adopt the "wait 'til it dries and brush it off" approach with a proper wash only every 2/3 months. Winter riding is great as it's just a question of letting the snow and ice melt off, leaving a clean bike 🙂
I use Meguiar's car shampoo as I've always got some in the garage. Shampoo, hot water, dish brush, rinse with a hose pipe, wipe off excess water with a microfibre then leave to dry. Every so often, I also apply Meguiar's car wax and polish to the frame.
Autosmart GS101 cleaner then Pressure wash it once a week
Doesn't get washed much TBH. Just knock the worst of last rides mud off before heading out. When it does get cleaned it's a hose down then a going over with some brushes, sponge and a bucket of hot water with a splash of fenwicks. Another quick hose. Chain usually comes off and gets a shake in some white spirits, a wash, a dry in the oven, then back on and lube (currently with Fenwicks stealth mtb lube.)
Usually just a hose down. If it's been left I'll give it a careful pressure wash.
I sometimes carry a couple of two litre pop bottles with sports caps fitted in the back of my car, can get the bike pretty clean before the muck dries on.
fairy liquid every couple of rides on a big soft muc off brush. neat on a washing up brush and spin the cranks back to do the chain and cassette. rinse well and relube with that all weather teflon stuff.
mrblobby - Member
Doesn't get washed much TBH. Just knock the worst of last rides mud off before heading out. When it does get cleaned it's a hose down then a going over with some brushes, sponge and a bucket of hot water with a splash of fenwicks. Another quick hose. Chain usually comes off and gets a shake in some white spirits, a wash, a dry in the oven, then back on and lube (currently with Fenwicks stealth mtb lube.)
If you lightly spray the chain after each wash with fs365 or ubs you won't have to ever take it off to get it gleaming. Really useful stuff. You can add a drop of chain oil after spraying on the stuff if you like.
What is this bike washing of which you speak? Ride, put in garage, repeat 😀
For what it's worth, generally, the cheaper the washing up liquid the less salt it has in it.
It's pretty sad that I know that.
got a 5L pump Presure bottle (like used for insectisides in the garden) just give the bike a spray over to get the worst off at the trail then muck off and rince at home if needed
I'm finding old baby clothes (the ones that are too ruined to pass on) are amazing for cleaning dirty chains. Guess they're just very absorbent pure cotton. Grab chain with cloth, spin cranks. Drip oil, spin cranks. Grab chain with clean bit of cloth, spin cranks. Sorted!
The Fenwicks motor home cleaner concentrate others have mentioned. As good as muc off and makes ten litres for £11 or so.
Buy the cheapest APC you can as there more or less all the same, just paying for the name. Get 5L if you can aswell as some of these can make 200L.
Would never put TFR on a bike tho as its more or less acid.
Your bike will suffer more corrosion from being ridden on winter roads than a quick bath with fairy liquid during cleaning, especially as you knock off the detergent during the rinse.
I've never found Muc-Off (a.ka. Truck Wash) to be very effective at cleaning, but with repeated use it certainly changed the black colour of some anodized components on my mountain bikes, and turned them a coppery colour!
I recently spoke to an industrial chemist who has worked for some of the largest chemical companies, he's recently retired and is now a consultant for an up and coming new UK lube company that has been getting rave reviews for their products.
He was asked to come up with the "perfect" bike washing product, and after much experimentation created something that was essentially dish washing detergent 😉
Remove excess mud by hand, let it dry out then vacuum the rest off
Never wash it really, but garden hose on a light spray when it's really bad to take the worst off and then add some chainwax and lube after every ride to forks, shock, dropper and chain. My bearings and drivetrain seems to last an awfully long time with this method. When I build it up or maintain it everything moving gets packed with grease which probably helps.
Spray with Fenwicks (the concentrate stuff), rinse, get the last of the muck off with warm water and car shampoo, rince again, chain cleaned with a degreaser (and cleaner tool), rinse, try, lube. Good to go.
My bike is kept pretty clean as I'm sad / anal about it.
and after much experimentation created something that was essentially dish washing detergent
You mean a well know washing-up liquid that has in it's title tiny magical creatures with wings, and tends to be green and not strong?
Brush the worst off when I get back to the pub after a ride and sling it on the roof. Clean/lube chain with Rock n Roll when I get home.
It needs to be proper filthy before I consider getting a bucket out, I reckon twice a year at best.
If you lightly spray the chain after each wash with fs365 or ubs you won't have to ever take it off to get it gleaming. Really useful stuff. You can add a drop of chain oil after spraying on the stuff if you like.
I've tried their UBS, which I think is pretty much the same as fs365, and not been that convinced by it on the mtb in the wet. Takes time to build up too.
Full clean: Little pressure washer (yeah not straight into bearings) and a drying towel.
Part clean: garden spray bottle with diluted Fairy and a drying towel.
+1 on the old babyclothes (or any other old clothes rags) for chain wipeage.
Turtle Wax car shampoo, sponge, soft brush and hose.
It's worked for me for the past 20 years and I doubt that any hugely overpriced "bike specific" wash will work any better.
One bike I keep clean almost after every ride (the posh bike), I got a big box of Fenwicks gear when it was going cheap at Merlin.
Generally spray concentrated cleaner on the drive train and diluted stuff on the rest of the bike. Agitate the mud with the sponge provided and give it all a wash off. In the Fenwicks kit I got a chain sponge and foam cleaner that I find works really well. Then once dry it gets lubed up (ooer) and then fork juice sprayed on forks/shock/dropper. I try add to the layers of chain lubricant over time too and wipe off any excess.
The other bike, the one I use most in winter, I don't really care about and gets some water thrown over it every so often.
I do try to make sure the forks/shock/dropper are clean and it gets treated to a drop of lube every once in a while, though last night the drive train had a layer of rust on it. I do treat this bike to the above wash sometimes too.
I suspect the components on one bike will far outlast the other, but, I really cba giving it a thorough clean when, like last night, I came in absolutely drenched and freezing. No way am I standing there washing the bike in the howling wing and rain. In the shed you go.
Turtle Wax car shampoo, sponge, soft brush and hose.
Thanks Dibbs that saved me typing that out, exactly the same for me. Apart from every third or so ride I will do the drive train with some Muc-off (not sprayed all over the place, but sprayed into the bristles of a 3" brush and brushed into the transmission parts, keeps it from going to places I don't really want)
A clean bike is a happy bike 🙂
Garden hose, Car shampoo, hot water and an alloy wheels brush does for me.
If its fresh and loose I won't bother with the car shampoo.
Didn't think I was in the minority...
I pressure wash both of mine. Use muc off too.
No bearing life issues (Run all Chrisking/Banta Cruz/Shimano/ Sram high end chains)
Nomad hasn't even done a set yet and it gets rode everyday and washed a few times a week.
I found car shampoo left some sort of residue on the brakes leading to poorer brake performance afterwards.
A bucket of warm water and a sponge seems to be my preferred option. Washing straight away makes life easier. A soft cloth to wipe away anything which is on the stanchions, then a quick spray of a water displacer on the drivetrain and a little lube.
I find a big sponge really helps, it takes a lot longer with a little one. Also I use a kitchen washing up brush to clean my drivetrain, I got one with some extra stiff bristles on the back which make short work of anything trapped in the cassette.
same as many of the above, Muc off and hose/brush. I have a set of Muc Off or similar brushes - the big soft one does most of the bike, then the cassette specific one.
In winter/wet conditions when using wet lube I'll run the chain through a ParkTool chain cleaner with some neat Muc off, otherwise, if using Squirt chain lube I don't.
Dry off, some GT85 on mechs, relube, job done.
My one golden rule however is I never wash a dry bike, so if the mud/mank has dried in by time i get home, it gets brushed off dry - no point in getting bearings and seals wet in that case.
Ducksmart wash and an Airace washer, seems to get the job done, it works best if you get to it before it all dries on, otherwise the muc-off wash seems better.
anyone watch those GMBN videos? they are a bit 'Top ten tips for wiping your own arse' patronising at times, but i saw one where they use a garden sprayer for washing bikes down if youre away from home, trail centre carpark or wherever. I nicked that idea!! still use a bit of MucOff tho. i always get tons of it every birthday and xmas tbf.
Hose, brush/sponge.
Muc-off if it's the winter road bike as it seems to help get rid of salty road film.
Rock n roll on the chain every couple of washes or after a big outing.
Undiluted water.
Washing my bike? Only when I'm really bored in the summer. In winter there's barely enough daylight to ride the thing let alone wash it afterwards.
If for some reason it needs a clean (something broke):
Rinse loose mud off with hose
Spray with "no more dirty bike" (£1 shop muck off)
Make cup of tea
Attack with hose and a toilet brush.
Chain lubed in putoline so no need to clean or re-lube it on any signifiacnt frequency.
Undiluted water.
You need the diluted stuff, works much better #homeopathyrocks
In order of care:
Cross bike: I pressure wash (I know! OMG!), washing up liquid and hot water, degrease all transmission, re-oil all transmission, Teflon spray on mud collecting areas
Road bike: really cheap baby wipes
Mountain bike: oil the dirt.
Hose down
Bucket of hot water with washing up liquid and a sponge
Hose down again
Lube
Job done and no corrosion from washing up liquid, it's just a scare tactic so you buy stupidly expensive stuff you don't need
Reckon it's quicker to change bearings once in a while than wash the bike carefully.
This is my policy, the time and effort taken to wash the bike carefully (compared to a 10 minute blast with the Mobi) to make the bearings last a little bit longer isn't worth the time and effort.
Halfords conc advanced car wash.
Gentle and doesn't strip the wax in the paint.
Plus a capful to half a bucket of water and sponge.
Old toothbrush, washing up brush with very soft bristles so no scratches.
Don't use a pressure washer or washing up liquid.
Chain cleaner device is useful and gt85 is a good cassette cleaner.
Chain lube and grease where needed when dry.
Cold water to hand splash suds of bike.
Lots of YouTube videos out there.
I spray GT 85 on my frame to allow it to dry so mud comes off easier.
Don't let mud dry as its a pain to wash off dried mud.
I noticed that Wilko sell their own brand bike cleaner - has anyone tried it?
They also sell sponges for 30 pence so they can be binned after one use
Wash...bike...
I'm in the Turtle wax, bucket of hot water and a sloppy brush team here. Have been for years and a 5ltr lasts for a couple of years. Not had any issues with this and actually need a new car wash 5ltr as running low, so will buy the same. Not had any issues with brakes and pads and a little goes a long way. Tried fewicks and Muc Off and cant say I was finding it did any better for a lot more money.