[Closed] Bike vs Car, whose fault do you think it is?

I don't see how fault can be open to discussion on this one ?

I'm asusming the cyclist is in an appropriate lane ?

i'd give up cycling in singapore.

I don't see how fault can be open to discussion on this one ?

I'm asusming the cyclist is in an appropriate lane ?

I wouldn't read the comments on that page then. I agree with you btw.

Apparently it's the cyclist's fault, he even deserved it. He shouldn't be in the right hand lane, even if he was about to turn right. To turn right a cyclist should stay left, get off and walk his bike across using the pedestrian crossing.

Seems legit

The driver doesn't even see the cyclist until a fraction of a second before impact, when he hits the brakes.

I blame Tony Blair

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Haven't watched the video, just conforming to sbob's stereotype of me.

Seeing the comments has affected me quite profoundly because before I was not soa aware of how much incompetence I was surrounded by out on the roads.
The traffic laws here are by and large the same as UK but it appears a majority of people here are under the complete misconception that cycles can only keep to the extreme left, even when the only right turn lane is on the offside etc.
I know the UK has its fair share of cycle haters but things aren't as bad as here are they?

There are crap drivers and then there are crap Asian drivers...

If you've never been on the roads of Asia it's hard to describe just how bad they can be.

To turn right a cyclist should stay left, get off and walk his bike across using the pedestrian crossing.

On the last section of my commute I need to be in the right hand lane of a an urban dual carriageway with a 30mph limit as I need to turn right at the next but one set of lights.

From set of lights A I need to be in the right hand lane as it's impossible to switch lanes any further on, after traffic lights A there's a bit of a hill, then its downhill through one set of lights which are pretty much always on green, then right at the next set of lights.

Th amount of dickish driving I experience on this stretch is appalling, tight passes on the inside, arseholes overtaking to then slam on brakes as there's little space between me an the car in front, ****s driving right up my arse. If I'm going to get knocked off anywhere it'll be on this stretch.

This is the set of lights that I sit in the right hand lane from [url= https://www.google.co.uk/maps/ @55.8406129,-4.2562714,3a,75y,1.19h,104.16t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1syiWaPK0HechCuL_xq6HiJQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656]here[/url]

If there is a right turn coming up that the cyclist wants to take, that car driver needs locking up, no excuses for not seeing the bike before their crazy acceleration with nothing inbetween them!

I know the UK has its fair share of cycle haters but things aren't as bad as here are they?

The comments are so terrible I don't think i'd brave the roads in singapore! It's just not worth it in some places. There seems to be some racism mixed in there too..

"Sirajudeen Abdul Jabbar - I would say the cyclist deserves it... you know normally who they are... well done!"

what's that about? What sort of people ride bicycles in Singapore? Foreign ones??

Aren't car horrendously expensive in Singapore? How does it affect how they are viewed? More of a status symbol than before?

I've just come back from the suburbs of Detroit and I'd avoid cycling on the roads there too. ditto Australia.

I know the UK has its fair share of cycle haters but things aren't as bad as here are they?

I don't know, I've encountered some that are pretty hard of thinking.

In Spain any accident between a car and a bike is always legally the cars fault. It's amazing how considerate (most) Spanish drivers are!

Yes but in Spain cycling is 2nd only to football.
I am cycling on the roads in Singapore and I don't really want to stop.

Most people who cycle on the roads are white and from Europe etc, there is a reasonable amount of native cycling but they tend to cycle illegally on the narrow footpaths rather than brave the road. There is an upcoming movement of club cycling and youths on the roads, I fear for the latter as they had no cycling proficency in schools, their parents wouldn't have cycled on the roads and they are generally riding fixies with imitation deep section zipp wheels.

I would say they are more nationlist than racist here. There is a clear distinction between race and nationality and there is some resentment that other nationalities are taking away jobs from Singaporeans (sound familiar) although there is some presumtion that if you are black or white then you will not be Singaporean...

Cars are fabulously expensive. One requires a ~£30,000 cert of entitlement to run the car on the road for 10 years, plus a heavy tax on the sale of the car itself and drivers mostly have a very stong sense of entitlement that they have paid for their place on the road and should not be sharing it with the unwashed cyclists.

quite an interesting image - the blue line is the outline of Singapore
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Hard to see why you need a car in Singapore - unless it's because you are too rich/posh for public transport.

iIwould say they are more nationlist than racist here there is a clear distinction between race and nationality and there is some resentment that other nationalities are taking away jobs from Singaporeans (sound familiar) although there is some presumption that if you are black or white then you will not be Singaporean...

On my short visit the worst examples were from the Pink Shirted Ex pat Bankers (not assuming their profession there) who seemed to think that anyone apart from them was basically a servant.

I've just come back from the suburbs of Detroit and I'd avoid cycling on the roads there too. ditto Australia.

It's good and bad here in Oz, I went 100km on the road on Sunday, picked my route and had very little hassle, the significantly lower population density is a massive help too. Inner city stuff is on a par with most other big cities for on road.

An Asian woman I used to work with was much amused by British outdoor organisations trying to involve minorities in walking etc. She said her parents spent their lives getting away from the countryside and had no intention of wasting their leisure going back. She was equally puzzled by my bike. Why did I need a bike when I had a car?
I imagine attitudes like this are common in countries which have become wealthy recently. Mind you I think a leftover from this mindset is behind some of anti cycling feeling in the UK

Hard to see why you need a car in Singapore - unless it's because you are too rich/posh for public transport.

The MRT in Singapore is brilliant and absolute peanuts to use. my commute on two trains for around 45 minutes travel time was around 70p each way and sometimes it would be free - never did find out why. Taxis are cheap too and there's around 30k of them, each one driven in my experience by an absolute loon! Even so, the amount of private cars/bikes on the road is staggering. Rush hour around Orchard where I was lasted about three hours, and the standard of driving was terrifying.

From what I saw all the cycling was done really early - around 4-5am or on weekends over near the Changi exhibition centre. there were 17 road deaths last year, far too many for an area as small as it is.