[Closed] Bike packing sleeping bag. Pipedream 200 or...?

Or look at the PHD half bags. If you would also carry a duvet jacket then double up on wearing and sleeping.

How do you get on with quilts? I use a Cumulus 150 in summer, rated to 4C (limit) and £150 - see backcountry.scot if they've any back in stock. If that's not warm enough then for another £20 then there's the 250. The 150 weighs 380g and packs down to a couple of litres in size.

2nd vote for quilts. Big weight savings to be made there.

Meant to ask - how big are you? The Cumulus quilts have a maximum user height of 1.85m. The old style was just about wide enough if you are a side sleeper - I'm 106cm (42") chest. The newer style is about 10cm wider so would be more than enough for me but obviously depends on your girth.

Note that all bag and quilt temp ratings assume you are wearing a light baselayer. Also helps keep the bag clean from your body sweat.

I'm a big fan of PHD but they are pricey - I don't think I've bought anything that wasn't in one of their "sales" - but night and day more performance oriented than Alplit.

Mountain hardware spark , rock and run were doing them in a sale a bit back

Not saure I could go for the PD200 -- I have what I think is a PD400 possibly - lost the invoice -- and I found at even 4-5-6 C it was hard to start warm on the time I used it..

I was cold before I got in though.

I was cold before I got in though.

Yeah, makes a big difference. You are the heat source and the bag/quilt's job is to keep it in so if you aren't generating enough heat then you won't "warm up".

Just purchased a quilt from Alpkit yesterday, used it last night with a down jkt and it worked well half the weight of my sleeping bag I only suffered in the head shoulders dept as there is no hood on my down jkt. It was colder than forecast last night

How do quilts work for taller folk?

Tempted by the aplkit cloud cover, but at 1.9m/6'3" I'm wondering how much will not be covered/what to do with me head?

If my heads not covered, I think I may feel cold even if I'm not... or do you wear a hooded down jacket as well?

Ta

I tend to wear a hat of some sort. Knitted beanie usually.

Look for a Mountain Equipment Helium 250 on offer. I have a Helium Solo and it’s very light at sub-500g but I’d recommend a jacket inside it for sleeping outside of summer. I used it under a tarp with a ME Arête jacket in November and my legs felt the chill.

How do quilts work for taller folk?

Tempted by the aplkit cloud cover, but at 1.9m/6’3″ I’m wondering how much will not be covered/what to do with me head?

If my heads not covered, I think I may feel cold even if I’m not… or do you wear a hooded down jacket as well?

Cumulus do custom quilts that have one or two extra segments for taller persons. You have to email them to ask, the option isn't on their website.

I'm 1.8m and the standard length comes over my shoulders so just need to cover my head. In summer I'm not bothered about this but in the cooler months I use the quilt as a wrapper around a sleeping bag. Some companies do a sort of cowl/hood to use with quilts - here's one from Enlightened Equipment - https://enlightenedequipment.com/hoodlum-stock/

I'm 6'3 and use a long wide EE quilt

Beanie and buff for head and neck, often because they're sweaty and feel tacky anyway. If it's cold then jacket with hood up, jacket weight varies based on conditions

I have a Cumulus down bag sold in uk under Criterion label.
Use it as a bag in winter and unzipped as a quilt other times should it actually be warm enough.

Tempted by the aplkit cloud cover, but at 1.9m/6’3″ I’m wondering how much will not be covered/what to do with me head?

The alpkit ones are quite small. At that height I don't think it would be great. I love mine but I'm 5'8".

6ft 3 here

I use a pipedream 200 long in summer.... But it has to be really summer...it has limitations that hover around what could just be an off day in the Scottish hill summer weather.

Don't get on with quilts not paying for a custom and regular ones I've tried I always pull up in the night and end up with my feet out.

What about one of these?
https://www.gooutdoors.co.uk/15903110/oex-helios-ev-hydrodown-300-sleeping-bag-15903110

keeping an eye on this thread with interest. Alpkit cloud cover can be poppered together at feet to stop it riding up etc. Doesn't make a big bag if poppered together all the way up though!

I have a Tundra Pure-0, it is the best bag I have ever had even though it's only rated to 0 degrees it kept me warm last October up on the Devils staircase when it started snowing.

I'm 191cm and it comes in at 210cm long, it has a waterproof head area and foot box and packs nice and small for fitting in my bar bag.

I got it from Tiso in Glasgow.

Don’t get on with quilts not paying for a custom and regular ones I’ve tried I always pull up in the night and end up with my feet out.

Thats what I wanted the quilt for quick 3 hr snooze with my stinky shoes on sticking out of the bottom I,ve never suffered with cold feet

@whitestone, yes, it was the end of a long day's cycle, probably a bit chilled, and definitely tired, then too long hanging around in damp low temperatures, then just crawled into bag. Don't think I lofted it either (this was day 1 of "let's cycle across Holland to SSEC '18") 😉

A bit of further info I probably should have put in the initial post - I already have a Vango Venom 300, so 2-3 season, down, not too shabby packsize.

I'm looking for something that's smaller and lighter than that. The PD 200 fits the bill and only gives up ~2°C in temp rating at almost half the weight.

A duvet doesn't really appeal to be honest, although from a pure weightweenie POV I get the concept - I'm not hardcore enough to be trying to survive on a couple of hrs of doze, fully dressed - I want a proper night's kip.

The ME Helium 250 would be perfect as an upmarket alternative to the Vango - a bit warmer, a bit lighter a bit smaller, but not significantly better to be worth splashing the cash until the Vango dies.

I'll generally be aiming for single night summer stuff - local "nice night, let's go somewhere" kind of thing. Also signed up for the South Lakes 200, fancy the Dales Divide and if that goes well, possibly Torino-Nice.

I'm 5'10"/ a hair over 10 stone if that affects things.

I'd get the PD200 tbh. You could get something lighter for the warmth from PH Designs or Western Mountaineering or Rab, but for perspective, a Rab Mythic 200 is twice the price and will save you around 70g in weight. A Neutrino Pro 200 is still a lot more than the PD200 and heavier too.

I haven't used the current PD, but the earlier ones did a good job without feeling quite as 'finished' as posher brands. PHD occasionally has great value limited edition runs - Summer Lightening is the current one - https://www.phdesigns.co.uk/summer-lightning - and in the past have had some ace, super lightweight bags at affordable prices, but not this year.