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Changing my car in a few months but can't decide between a skoda oktavia. Passat, BMW 3 series or a merch
Have a missed any out??
I would've of said Passat.... Until two hours ago the automatic handbrake decided it didn't want to be on anymore and the car would be far better parked into my neighbours....
Seriously unimpressed. It's a 62 plate if it helps.
Otherwise. Automatic handbrake shenanigans aside its brilliant.
Mazda 6
The six cylinder M5 touring (E34) and the Volvo 850 T5-R. 😀
V70, Mondeo or E-class. Proper boot size on all.
Volvo 850 T5-R.
This. Save money on car, burn on fuel and tyres!
Seat Alhambra
VW Sharan
Ford Galaxy
Anything with a wipe clean headlining, or a Citroen C5
Good question. Volvo V50 has been good for me but am thinking about Audi A4 Allroad for 4wd
I have a Volvo and shall be replacing it with a Volvo. I'm hoping brand qualities hold up under Chinese ownership.
Got a company passat, plenty of room with the seats down to get a bike or two in.
Octavia and Passat both have bad boots- smaller than they should be, and no flat entry, which makes it more awkward to put things in, and means you can't sit on the boot edge and watch the world go by. Ridiculous way to build an estate. Also, bad use of space- very encroaching arches etc. VAG are not very good at mid-sized estates tbh. It still does the job but if you're choosing an estate for biking it makes sense to look elsewhere
Focus or Mondeo. Mk1 Focus has a ridiculous boot for its size/class, bigger and more usable than many (most?) bigger estates. Mondeo is just massive, though, it is a big car and can be a hassle to park. I am coming to really like my 2.2 Ghia X... Massive, reasonably quick, cheapish to run, goes round corners, and is a nice place to be.
Mazda 6 is decent too, and big Volvos.
Currently driving a V50. Excellent car for biking.
Mondeo is just massive, though, it is a big car and can be a hassle to park.
Indeed - I was shocked just how much wider it is than my 406 - hadn't really paid much attention to width when checking dimensions. On the plus side you do notice the advantage of the extra width in loadspace and passenger space. Have had 2 kids seats in my back seat with 1/3 folded, and today I had a tandem, roadbike, kids bike and 2 big unicycles in the back without even really trying - could have got lots more in if I wanted. The tandem goes in a lot easier than it did in the 406 (which was renowned as being a good load lugger).
It depends what your other criteria are - badge snobs won't like Mondeos, though according to Clarkson there's nothing embarrassing about having a Ford badge on your car (that alone may be enough to put you off). However if you're after something which drives well for a big car and is economical to run then it's hard to beat.
Vectra Estate is huge, chap at work had one with tinted rear windows - looked like a hearse 🙂
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I've got Zafira diesel whick works OK but need newer one for Mrs Electric's work.
For newer brands what about Dacia, Hyundai, Ssyonyang?
Leaving out Kia maybe...
New Octavia is out June. The boot in the hatch version is pretty big.
I have one of these,
2.8L
4wd
V6
Cream leather
Less than £3k at 80,000 miles.
Excellent car if you can stomach the 26mpg. Get one with a sensible engine and you will be happy. Had a newer hire car in 2007, Inverness to Dorset coast, 600 miles, one tank of diesel.
Room enough to sleep in too.
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We have a 4wd Octavia. It's OK, if a little dull and wishy washy to drive.
Not as good as the Mondeo ST TDCI we had before, which was brilliant. Much better drive and better all around car.
Both fit a bike in without removing wheels, so both OK in that respect.
Passat. I bought m old version mainly because the boot lip was low, wide and straight. Could easily get bikes in without taking of wheels or saddles, plus great for sitting on.
I have a mk2 Mondeo. Great car. Thought about swapping it for a Skoda Superb to get 4WD but despite being a massive car I was surprised how narrow the boot was compared to the Ford. Stuck with the Mondeo.
R36 Passat
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3 series estate is pretty small - we had one for 3 yrs and just replaced with a 5 estate, which is more proper size
Passat. We regularly fit 3 people and 3 bikes inside with plenty of room to spare. We have even had 2 adults + 2 kids + 4 bikes inside without too much difficulty.
If you don't get the handbrake problems, the only other thing to check on anything over 40,000 miles is uneven wear on the insides of the rear tyres with a sawtooth pattern on the tread. Here's one of mine, spinning on the balancer:
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I also say the v70. So practical with a tow bar bitter and the rear seats fols completely flat down getting two bikes in easy
It depends whether you intend to put the bikes inside or on a towbar rack. If its the rack then you are less dependent on size.
I have an e-class estate. Huge, comfy, quick, very slightly thirsty, but obviously somewhat pricer. Not a problem in 3 yrs ownership and has self levelling air suspension so fine with 4 adults, kit and 4 bikes on rack.
My short-list came down to:
Mondeo
S Max
Octavia
Superb
Mazda 6
Went with the Octavia in the end.
Mondeo had lots of toys for the money but it just didn't seem comfortable and looked pretty tacky inside.
S Max ticked the boxes but I couldn't bring myself to buy an MPV in the end
Mazda 6 - didn't really like it and the petrol engine wasn't great (I wanted a petrol as mostly do short journeys)
Superb - ugly but really liked it, but for my £12k budget I could only get a basic spec one (second-hand) and even then there were very little about. Was just a bit to cheap looking inside and I knew I'd regret not having certain toys.
Took me a while to find the right Octavia (had to travel 150 miles for it as well) but don't regret it. Would have been nice to have the bit of extra boot room the Superb has but I can still get two road bikes in the back with both wheels on (rear seats down ofc) and just need to take the front wheels off on MTBs
A lot of other options like Volvos, BMWs and Audis I rejected as the boot space wasn't big enough (typically they're narrower). I couldn't see the point in paying the extra for a Passat when the Octavia is pretty much the same car.
3 series estate is pretty small - we had one for 3 yrs and just replaced with a 5 estate, which is more proper size
Yup, seems to be common to think of a 3 series as a Mondeo sized car. It's not, never has been. It's a Focus sized car with a boot, the estate Focus and 3 series are the same size. Focus probably has a better boot though.
5 Series is a good sized car though, I can get my large 5 Spot in the boot of my saloon E39 5 Series if I take the stem off the steerer (and the wheels out obviously). Normally it rides in the back seats with seat covers on and wrapped in a tarp but it's nice to get it totally out of sight if you are away for the weekend and will want to leave the car parked with the bike in it. I can easily have the bike with both wheels and all my riding gear and a weekends worth of luggage for two in the boot and nothing visible in the car when it's parked up.
Depends what criteria make it the best...
I have a 56 plate Honda Accord estate.
That model has the biggest estate boot, it's very comfy and as it's a Honda it won't go wrong.
It's not a sports car but it's also not slow.
I had a towbar fitted so it can take 4 people, plus bikes plus kit.
Seats fold to almost flat in one move so it's easy to put more stuff in.
When I replace it I'm getting another.
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As a past Mondeo ST TDCI owner and current Octavia vRS owner, I'd have to admit, its a tough call between those two cars as to whats best as a riding car. The Mondeo was a lovely wafty motorway car, not the slightest bit sporty despite the badge. Economical, massive boot (even on the hatchback) and loads of toys. Looks (even now) like a really nice car.
Octy is very different. Less room in the rear seats and the boot is smaller but in a way, a more useful shape (I have an estate). Can't get a bike in the Octy boot with the seats up whereas I could with the Mondeo but I think thats down to me running 780mm bars these days! Build quality on the Octavia is better, fewer toys as standard but some are well specced and they're easy to spec upwards if you get a basic one (£400 for a factory Columbus Sat Nav unit etc which is an easy swap etc).
Out of them both, the Octy is a much nicer car to drive day to day. The Mondeo was better sat at 70/80 on a motorway.
I've recently been toying with the idea of changing our car and narrowed the choice down to an M-Sport 3 series estate (too small), another Mondeo ST (getting a bit long in the tooth now and some of the important things to us such as ISOFIX are a real lottery on mk3 Mondeos) and another Octavia vRS. So decided to save some money and make our current car a bit nicer 😉
My dad has a new Passat (a high spec Bluemotion saloon) and although the saloon thing doesn't work as a biking car unless you have them on the roof, its a lovely, lovely car. I'd definitely consider an estate version when prices come down below £10k.
New shape Mondeo (unless you get the top spec Titanium X Sport ones) do nothing for me although you can't argue with the spec levels.
New shape Mondeo (unless you get the top spec Titanium X Sport ones) do nothing for me
You're choosing a biking car based on how it looks? 😯
double post sorry
Subaru Legacy. Almost tardis like for space, regularly went on road trips with three 6ft + blokes, 2 bikes, 2 seperate tents (we're not sociable), and 3 set of riding gear/ kit - all inside.
I have a 07 plate Accord and while its good its not been without its problems unfortunately (Manifold cracked, rear calipers ceased, alternator gone) but its massive (Bike will fit in boot with seats up and load cover over it. Put the seats down and i can put my wire framed camp bed up in it and stand the bike up next to me.
Fuel wise, 44-46mpg when just pootleing around and teh wife is driving it, just short of 60mpg on a run keeping it just under 70, or 40mpg on an alps trip last year with 4 people, 3 bikes on the back, one on roof and roofbox and camping gear.
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Other options are the Passat but lots of them have loads of owners which tells you something and the handbrake is an issue, a big one in my eyes!
5 series is my ideal car but next price level.
3 Series, you seen how small the boot is? pointless IMO
Mondeo, not bad but its a ford. Look nicer in a more unusual colour for a ford, say red with silver bits on.
Mazda 6 - No where near as big as the accord but has a really lovely engine, sounds gorgeous for a diesel and the 170bhp model has loads of power. A lot more than the accord. If a massive boot isnt essential these are a great buy.
Skoda, they are alright aint they, like a trusty pair of doc martins. Good workhorse but not a very inspiring car in any way.
V70 - Really heavy on fuel, like late 20's if you have a moderately heavy so watch that one
V50 - too small, waste of time
Audi - A4 not that big, A6 similar category to 5 series, nice but depends if you can afford the prices, getting near T5 league then.
+1 for Subaru. Had Beemers and Passats, not old enough for Merc yet. Any kind of loose slippery surface and the Subaru is unphased. Be different.
I also say the v70. So practical with a tow bar bitter and the rear seats fols completely flat down getting two bikes in easy
Plus One for this. But don't get a Phase 2 unless it's a facelift (post 2004) - the electrics on the early ones (2000 - 2004) are notoriously dodgy. The beauty of the V70 is that it has a vertical tailgate so you get an absolutely cavernous loadspace. They're also obscenely comfortable on long motorway trips.
V70 - Really heavy on fuel, like late 20's if you have a moderately heavy so watch that one
Yeah, if you get a petrol - go for a diseasel (preferably a late D5 SE) and hello 45 - 50mpg, 185bhp and 140mph top speed! Not bad for a car that weighs over 2 tonnes fully loaded.
Personally (if you can find one with less than rocketship mileage for under £4000 😯 ) I'd go for a 1998 - 1999 Phase 1 TDi. But even then with a good service record 150K miles for these is nothing, they'll go on forever with proper servicing.
I've just bought an Audi A4 Avant Quattro. Great car especially due to it being 4 wheel drive. Not the biggest inside as mentioned previously, but i put the bikes on the roof and that leaves more than enough space for everything else. I even managed to get a free roof rack thrown in from the dealer when i bought the car.
+1 for the Legacy.
I currently have an Subaru Outback and with the rear seats down which is done at the pull of a lever when standing at the rear, you have a flat load area that takes my Anthem 29er with the wheels still on with room to spare. Its also got proper roof rails, slightly more ground clearance than the Legacy/regular estates for creative parking. The AWD does great in a muddy field or snow and with winter tyres its superb.
Works great for kayaks as well
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had an A6 quattro and with seats down it could fit my marin wolfridge in the back without taking the wheels off. or a double inflatable airbed and sleep two people comfortably. fantastic tardis like barge that did 258K miles on the same clutch and suspension! and being quattro was good to drive too. will be getting another when funds allow 😀
Big cheap and diesel mondeo c5 passat Peugeot jag xtype whatever tickles your fancy. I went c5 for the comfort and huge boot.
You're choosing a biking car based on how it looks?
Of course I am. I don't want to be driving around in some bland unforgettable piece of crap like a Vectra. If I'm spending thousands of pounds on something I'd expect it to look ok...
Mondeo if you have a budget.
Have had a scrapyard mk1 and a Mk3 TDCi, both estates and both capable of 5 bikes and 5 riders inside the car.
Got a Volvo V50 now, nice enough car, seats fold flat and tidy, but will never fit as much as the Mondeo, not as economical despite similar spec engine to Mondeo and nowhere near as good feeling being flung through the corners on the country roads around here.
When we got the Mk3, requirement was harp carrying capacity, Vectra was plenty big enough, possibly bigger, but hideous car to drive, hold, look at. Looked for a V70 too, but they weren't as economical and couldn't find one in our price bracket.
I would have a Mondeo again, but wife wanted something smaller and I hoped something smaller would have more go or economy, so disappointed with V50.
What about the YETI skoda's stable is quite extensive ,last i heard thou there was a waiting list for them.
Plus ssen the new dacia duster at local showroom ,quite keen to have a test drive in one.
I would've of said Passat.... Until two hours ago the automatic handbrake decided it didn't want to be on anymore and the car would be far better parked into my neighbours....
I had the opposite with my Passat and the electric handbrake would not disengage. When I went googling seems this is a common issue of letting go or holding tight at the wrong time.
Saying that I have had 2 Passat estates and they have both been good. I just would not have the electric brake ever again.
I don't want to be driving around in some bland unforgettable piece of crap like a Vectra.
Ah, so sir does require the bright red Volvo from the last page then! 😉
Please!
Cheers guys, the Volvo co2 is too high so I'm going to check out the Mazda 6 and wait for the skoda
I love my older passat which has the flat boot. With just half the rear seat down you can get 2 bikes in side by side with room for kit etc still.
anyone looking at these should be aware that they had issues with water leaking where the windscreen meets the bonnet. VW issued a recall and if that was sorted then all good otherwise be cautious. It's easy to fix but expensive elctronic bits might have been damaged in the meantime.
Having had an estate I don't think I would ever go back to a normal saloon now
The rain gutter drain hole under the battery gets blocked with leaf debris as I recall.
That happened to my dad's passat, ended up writing the car off- flooding back through the main wiring, nothing electrical worked reliably after that. Not sure if it still happens with new ones, it wasn't just Passats though at the time.
Legacy/Outback and Accord made my shortlist too... Accord doesn't quite have the mighty boot of the mondeo, though it's good. I found it a bit soul-less but that's a very personal thing. Legacy/Outback I would happily have had if I'd found a good one but finding the right engine, in good condition, was a problem- I found probably one likely Legacy for every 10 likely Mondeos. (was the same with the Mazda, lots of the lower powered engine models)
Until everyone here has made me paranoid about the electronic parking brake on my Passat I'd have highly recommended it!
Apart from not coming off automatically on slippery surfaces (snow, wet grass) mine's been alright and much better than one on a hired Insignia I'd driven.
50 mpg + easily, been down to the south of France twice very comfortably and effortlessly, the 2.0l 140bhp manual version has the CO2 at 120g/km so £30 a year tax!
The boot lip is a bit annoying compared to my old Focus and the load space isn't that tall so you can't stand a bike up vertically with it's wheels off like I could in my old Focus. The new Focus has gone smaller which is a shame and the jump up to the gargantuan Mondeo was too much for me.
New shape Mondeo estate can get two full bounce 29ers in the boot without taking any wheels off. It is huge.
New shape Mondeo estate...is huge
Yep, it is indeed!
It really was [b]too[/b] big, and especially wide, when I looked at it, depends where you have to park regularly, with the narrow Victorian streets where I live I just didn't feel I could live with it
citroen synergy , mpv, 7 seater, take the rear seats out and the middle one in the middle row and the bikes go in with wheels on upright no problem, 2 bikes go in complete, and a third can go in the opposite way round with the front wheel off. you might want to take some pedals off to save any carnage. you still get 4 seats but you may need to spin the bars if youve got 4 people in the car. totally reliable and not too bad on fuel. paid £500 for mine on at` plate 4 years ago and its still good!
I'm looking at a 2.2tdci Ghia Mondeo estate, 05 plate. 77K miles, £4995, looks very tidy. Is that a good price?
I always said my next car would be a Passat again but this Mondeo is very appealing.
I know the OP explicitly focussed on estates, but are taller things (e.g. XC60, Q5, Discovery) any good for biking? Are they too tall to put bikes on the roof (unless maybe you are chalky46)
Did have a Vectra estate which was huge. Awesome load carrier as you could pretty much just open up the boot and throw it all in. I personally preferred it to the Mondeo at the time. Changed the car last year and was expecting to end up with an Insignia but really was not impressed with the drive nor the practicality of the boot. Ended up with a new shape Mondeo which I think looks very nice and drives very nicely too. Same as the Vectra in that the boot is huge.
Had a Passat many years ago and that was a lovely car but I fear that these days they are way overpriced for what they are and are not all that dependable or reliable.
You probably need to think about the size of the car you want as the models listed vary. As mentioned above the Octavia, 3 series, Focus and to a degree the A4 are all a similar size which is smaller than the Mondeo / 6 / Insignia brigade which themselves are slightly smaller than the V70 / A6 / 5 series. It also depends on what else you will be using the car for when carrying bikes. Had a Vectra hatch before and if it was only me or me and passenger, with the rear seats down I could fit the bike in without having to remove the wheels. So do you actually need an estate? If so, can you get away with something slightly smaller and probably more economical for the majority of the time? In which case go with the Octavia or Focus or Astra estate.
(e.g. XC60, Q5, Discovery) any good for biking?
...motorway fuel economy is what puts me off that kind of vehicle, as well as lugging around a lot of 4x4 technology I don't really need!
Mountain biking tends to lend it self to big road trips and I drive down to the south of France a couple of times a year, so never really looked into them
as Bikingcatastrophe says there's a fair bit of variation in size of the cars being discussed!
Octavias are one of the biggest of the smaller estates, Passats being based on the same platform I'd say more one of the smaller of the medium sized ones, they're both actually based on a modified Golf base, but the Golf estate's tiny (and very over priced!) it's all a little subjective!
Rear wheel drive BMWs have less height, the 3s alright in side the cabin but the boot isn't very big, 5s much bigger but you pays your money for a decent one.
If you can get on with the size of the Mondeo I hear really good things about them, I loved my old Focus (the last generation) but the new one's too small.
This works for me and Mrs Wagenwheel
*Bikes fit Inside or outside without taking wheels off,
*3 individual seats in the back can be quickly removed (if needed)
*Slightly raised suspension
*1.6 HDI Cheep and Cheerful 🙂
The roof is a little high for reaching up to, but I have tool box that doubles as a step.
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I'm looking at a 2.2tdci Ghia Mondeo estate, 05 plate. 77K miles, £4995, looks very tidy. Is that a good price?
Depends on your criteria. That's a Mk4 - I bought a Mk5 on an 08 plate 5 months ago for £1k less. Granted it does have 45k more miles on the clock and is a base model, but the only things I'm missing from the spec which you'd get on a higher model which I'd be at all interested in are leccy rear windows and climate control, and I can quite happily live with manual windows and air-con. Very happy to have steel wheels and higher profile tyres which are cheaper to replace and ride better. Possibly even some toys I have in a Mk5 you don't get in a Ghia Mk4! Main point though it whether you think 3 years older is worth it for 45k miles less.
OK so there aren't many Mk5s around for the price I paid, but there were certainly a few for £5k or £6k around when I was looking with around 100k on the clock, which I'd argue is better value.
The roof is a little high for reaching up to, but I have tool box that doubles as a step.
The reason I was eventually put off vehicles of that type (or big MPVs) - but then I do tend to be putting more awkward and bulky things onto the roof. I did consider the idea of a step, but eventually decided it would be just too much hassle.
...motorway fuel economy is what puts me off that kind of vehicle, as well as lugging around a lot of 4x4 technology I don't really need!
XC70's pretty good on fuel. Mid 30's average which is OK for the size of car. You can also park in the muddy/sloping/rough parking spaces that are left when you've got up late 😯
I like mine the best
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Three on top and three inside. She's so dirty.
My old Passat would take 3 people, 3 bikes & a weeks worth of kit, all inside the car. Flat boot lip too, so made a useful seat & the top of the light cluster was a perfect spot to rest your cuppa. Great motorway car, but less so on rural roads - it had a wallowy ride & ponderous turn in - could still hustle along, but you had to be very smooth with steering.
There's an A4 & A6 in the family. The A4 is a small boot (smaller than my 3 series). The A6 is a good size, but it is a heavy car, so fuel economy not as good as some & suffers in same way as Passat in corners. S-line suspension...read "clattery".
I have a 3 series as found the Passat bigger than my needs 90+% of the time. 3+3 may be a stretch now, but 2 is easy, which covers what I want. I did consider a 5 series, but bigger than I need. More economy, more performance & better handling & ride than the Passat. I could use roof bars to stretch capacity, but they do hit the fuel economy pretty hard.
You probably need to think about the size of the car you want as the models listed vary. As mentioned above the Octavia, 3 series, Focus and to a degree the A4 are all a similar size which is smaller than the Mondeo / 6 / Insignia brigade which themselves are slightly smaller than the V70 / A6 / 5 series
Here's an interesting fact for you then.
Skoda Octavia estate boot capacity with the seats up: 605L
Audi A6 Avant boot capacity with the seats up: 565L
With the seats down the A6 nudges it though (only 25L though).
In terms of how Audis use their boot space, I don't think its very good because the A6 is a BIG car on the outside. On the other hand, the boot in the Octy, for a car of its size, is brilliant.
On the subject of perfect estate cars for mountain biking...
Anyone interested in a 53 reg, Mazda6 estate with 155,000 on the clock for £1000 (special STW deal!). Utterly reliable and lots of service history. Email me...
I can't speak highly enough of our Mazda. Ok so its the older model but its been a brilliant car and i'd recommend them to anyone who wants a trouble free, reliable and practical car.
are the Audis relatively bigger on the outside and smaller than you would expect on the inside because they have more safety stuff in their design?
Really happy with our Octavia 4x4 estate. Brilliant bit of kit. Comfortable, fast enough, big enough for 3bikes and 3 people all inside, well made. Highly recommended
XC70's pretty good on fuel. Mid 30's average which is OK for the size of car
Fairly rubbish for the size of car if you check out what other people on this thread are getting.
Currently driving a Subaru Legacy (everyone does round here). Awesome car, shitty mpg. Have friends with big SUV utes that go through less polluting juice.
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How tall are you and what height step have you got? I've been wondering about getting roof carrier for my berlingo but will need to use a step as well!
I've got an SMax. It is based on a mondeo esatate floorplan/chassis so is absolutely humungous inside - with the seats down its like a transit van. It's got an internal racking system so you can attach bikes inside the car - which is great in many ways (security, keeps the outside of the car clean, so quiet on the M/way and maintains fuel efficiency), however the downside is you can't avoid getting the interior of the car mucky, so i'm thinking about getting a roof rack and only using the internal racks for when I need the security. It's also a pretty quick car (2.2 TDCI), drives round corners well despite its height and weight. Quality of interior is easily as good or even better than the usual German alternatives that are generally more expensive and far less well specc'd.
Why an estate? Unless you're going to carry the bikes inside the car - which most estates are not big enough to do, and you get the problem of mucking up the interior (not so bad for road bikes though), then having an estate specifically for biking is a bit pointless if you're just going to put the bikes on the roof. Though I tend to prefer the estate version of most cars anyway.
VW Type 3 Squareback.
Volvo Amazon estate?
the downside is you can't avoid getting the interior of the car mucky, so i'm thinking about getting a roof rack and only using the internal racks for when I need the security
So many disadvantages to putting the bikes on the roof. Why not just get a load area liner? I use a plastic groundsheet in the back of mine, which works just fine with an occasional shake out.
Why an estate? Unless you're going to carry the bikes inside the car - which most estates are not big enough to do
Eh? I always carry bikes inside the car - don't even own a proper external bike rack. Even the tandem fits inside - I can get that and a couple of single bikes in with 4 seats still available. Why do you have so much trouble fitting bikes inside?
Peugeot 308SW? Wheels off, 2 bikes fit in the boot without folding the rear seats down. The rear seats come out, which creates a bigger load capacity than an SMax. 1.6HDi will see around 65 mpg too
wobbliscott - MemberWhy an estate? Unless you're going to carry the bikes inside the car - which most estates are not big enough to do,
All proper estates are big enough for this. And I think you can take it for granted that if someone's buying an estate for biking he isn't going to buy one of the pretend ones.
DaveyBoyWonder - MemberOn the other hand, the boot in the Octy, for a car of its size, is brilliant.
Octavia is the size of a Focus isn't it? Focus has a brilliant boot, Octavia by comparison is ****- it's not small but it's nothing like as usable.