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Well Specialized and I believe Trek's stance is that 29" are quicker so they'll be around but future bikes wise, 26" was dead a year ago so everyones 26" are now worth nothing and you'll have to buy 650b next time. Interestingly most companies have put a 10-20% price increase on 650b over the 26" they replaced.
The thing to do is run your 26" in to the ground for as long as possible and then buy a 29". Take that industry!!!
If they all say 27.5 is the future then thats it isn't it?
Not necessarily. If enough suppliers of 26 bits keep supplying to meet demand then we'll keep riding our 26ers, which we're quite happy with, no?
The thing to do is run your 26" in to the ground for as long as possible
This is the best bike I've ever ridden, bar none. It's 21 years old and it's mine:
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So I very much doubt 26 will ever be dead.
On a professional note, most people buying their first decent MTB aren't even aware there's more than one wheel size......
everyones 26" are now worth nothing
this,
ive been trying to offload a friends 26er forks, been on eBay for 90 days now, price keeps coming down, not a single question or offer,
I stopped reading at 'Cannock Chase'
I think everyone knows my thoughts on Cannock.
You could ride 99% of Cannock on a CX bike.
Love my 26" stumpjumper, responsive, fab control & hard work through the winter, making me work harder & keeping me stronger, perfect...
29" just look odd! See loads out & they look out of proportion?
If you want faster, with less rolling resistance, get a road bike?
Long live 26" 🙂
Such a lot of guff. 650b wheels are not 27.5 anyway so please stop trying to pretend they are. And personally I hate the look of 29ers. Looks like 26" is ideal, lots of cheap second hand parts will be available from all the people believing the hype buying new overpriced bikes.
Sorry for making the assumption that 650b is 27.5 inch.
Please enlighten us incompitent fools so we can work out the difference in diameter.
Hora, which 1% can't be ridden on a cyclo cross bike? I'm pretty sure there is nothing there that can't?
But then again, CX bikes aren't 26" wheels so we are probably agreeing with the OP 🙂
I was meaning the bike companies - they call them 27.5 inches in order to promote the guff about it being the ideal size combining the best of both worlds.
26inch = 559mm wheel
29 inch = 622mm wheel
650b = 584mm wheel
So a 650b wheel is exactly 1 inch (25mm) larger than a 26 inch wheel, with a 29er a further 38mm bigger. Obviously actual wheel size is partly dictated by the tyre but my point is it's just a marketing tool to make us want a new bike.
"What would Bill say."
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I actually got grief for buying my new covert frame in 26" flavour. I have no beef with 29ers, or 650b (a few of the guys in my Sunday ride group have them) but It's my bike, and I'll ride what I want thanks very much. 8)
"What would Bill say."
Until he saw this.
[url= http://www.sixfifty.com/knowledge/about-650b.aspx ]Boils my piss[/url]
Boils my piss
Why? It's a pro-650 site, no shock that they're looking for all the positives and ignoring the rest to suit their spin. It's just someones opinion based on what wheel gives them the feedback they're looking for.
That's all the wheel-size choice thing is imo, feedback. Not performance, that's too hard to define. And that makes it a highly personal thing and debating what's better pretty much pointless. The market movement around it is another thing, but use your wallet-vote if you feel strongly about keeping 26" stuff. There's not much bike kit that is unavailable to those that want it, and it'll create opportunities for smaller brands if the general market does continue swing away from it.
Major brands seem to be keeping 26 in their DH bike lineup - there's an obvious reason for this!
You could ride 99% of Cannock on a CX bike.
No I don't think [b]you[/b] could as you posted up about how you struggled on your all singing all dancing Peak slaying gnarpoon.
If you really want a wheel size vote with your wallet/badger manufactures.
It's what us early adopters of the wagon wheel had to do.
In response to the OP 26inch rims seem to work quite well on DH bikes and fatbikes.
The funniest thing to me is that it's only really the 'can only ever be 26"' crowd that feed these threads. You whip yourself up in to such a state, keep it up. 😆
Because it's pish, and all pro 650b diagrams demonstrating the wheel difference are always not to scale, enforcing the fictional 27.5 in the middle best of both worlds pish.
Because showing to scale and calling it 27 which it is would not serve their purpose so well.
And may make people instead question the fact it's not April first is it.
I have a 29er and and 26er (both HT).
I really really like my 29er. It's much faster than the 26er, rolls over stuff better, goes down stuff more confidently.
Right now though I ride the 26er almost exclusively because it's just so much fun.
i agree with chestrockwell, its all a bit
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my wheel size is obsolete 🙁
Major brands seem to be keeping 26 in their DH bike lineup - there's an obvious reason for this!
Not for much longer:
650 blah, the middle ground, the safe choice, the not quite, the compromise to grey - go big, go small or go home. 🙂
I heard a rumour people buy 29'rs because they are compensating for 3 inches less in the general penis area. 🙄
In all seriousness. I've given up with this world. Can't we all just get along ...?
I always say 'ah clown bike' when I see a 29'er to the owner.
The owners always accept my comment. As they should.
Please keep buying 650b and clown wheelers everybody I'm loving the split new 26'r bargain stuff !!! 🙂
i agree with chestrockwell, its all a bit
Not so much, just if it is a genuine advantage why lie and mislead.
There was an interview with someone in the industry where the interviewer kept referring to the standard as 27.5 and the independent bike builder referred to it as 650b. At some point the interviewer pick up on this and asked why the builder preferred to call it 650b, to be told quite matter of factly because it's not 27.5 and to call it that was misleading.
If it is better, then tell it as it is . Don't take me for an idiot and try and mug me off with bullshit.
I always say 'ah clown bike' when I see a 29'er to the owner.
Don't clown bikes have small wheels...
I normaly just say hello to people on bikes and don't give a flying chuff what type of bike they're on never mind what size the wheels are.
Then again I'm not a **** like you appear to be. 🙂
Is anyone actually misled though ?
I bought my bike because it had great reviews and I liked the colour scheme 🙂
I wasnt forced to just coz it had 650b wheels
And I can't see myself ditching my old lava dome or Dh bike anytime soon just coz the wheels are an endangered species
idiot, bullshit, mugged - I think you are taking it all a it too seriously
Its just business, advertising and all that jazz
You could ride 99% of Cannock on a CX bike.
And you'd be much quicker than everyone on MTBs. It's about as tame as MTBing gets trail centre wise...
When buying a new bike I think about two things.
Do I like the way it rides and can I afford it.
If the answer to both of these is yes then i buy it.
What a random person on a forum thinks of it has no importance to me.
Singlespeedstu
Your name is the female equivilent of Jane.
Your name is the female equivilent of Jane.
I thought Jane was a female name...
Maybe put the keyboard down now. You appear to be either drunk or more of a fool than you normaly are.
Like others have said, my only real concern is that parts, spares upgrades will continue to be available for all the various wheel size choices. I don't care what anyone rides but I do worry that we are at a point where anyone one or two of the currently available wheel sizes could be quickly dropped by the industry rendering them obsolete in relation to spares .
26, dead, phaaaa
When I recently bought my new forks, only the 26" ones were at or just below RRP. 29 and 650b or 27.5 whatevertheflip its called were discounted way more. I guess that's because stock of 29 or that other size isn't shifting.
Wonder why ? Not that popular perhaps? Not that many about?
Hmmmmm?
What's going on here?
Do I need to leave all my bikes on the kerbside so the local scrap-pikey can do me a favour and dispose of my obsolete 26 inch scrap?
And why did the OP say 'waist'........?
STOP!
I'm about to buy a 2nd hand 24" DMR Reptoid.
Yeah, backwards logic. ****fuddery, this whole debacle.
4 pages in but we can't figure out why someones caliper has seized on another thread? Bananas.
Has Pinkbike lost some serious arsehole clickbait this week? maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! 😈
When I recently bought my new forks, only the 26" ones were at or just below RRP. 29 and 650b or 27.5 whatevertheflip its called were discounted way more. I guess that's because stock of 29 or that other size isn't shifting.
It's probably more about the fact there's a lot more OE spec of 650 and 29 than 26 this year. And there's still demand for aftermarket 26 forks for bikes out there a few years and the old forks are worn out, but there's fewer forks about - less reason to discount.
I should not be that bothered really, I have perfectly serviceable bikes for the moment and if that changes worry about it then.
You don't get honest salesmen if you did they would be on the breadline.
I don't buy bike mags, but if they are anything like the airgun mags I used to subscribe to where I never ever read a bad review of any of the guns they reviewed, may be me being cynical but could have something to do with the full page adverts for the same guns in the magazine.
Its just the very bikes the industry was touting as fantastic last year are now fundamentally floored because they say so.
Made me think of this,
All he said was his 29er was faster than his 26er and its true they are ,that dont mean 26 is dead it just means if he comes across you he will have ye for breakfast ,if ye want to ride 26ers thats fine just dont bleat on about how 29ers are sh one t .Its your choice make and shut up losers.
I thought the op had been quickly outed as a troll and the thread then rightfully high jacked to do a bit of 650b bashing.
No need to bash 29ers as they are no threat. I did see one once though, may even have been the op, as he was not hanging about.
The reason why the 26" is dead is because it has already died as far as R&D in bicycle Companies is concerned. This stopped on all 26" platform bikes from the Worlds Largest Bicycle Manufacturers about 2 years ago. Of course you will see mostly 26" bikes out on the trails as they have been the de facto choice since the birth of Mountain Bikes. 29" wheel bikes have been a very slow birth and the Mountain Bike customer has become very conservative and protective of his/her sport over the last 10 years. Its taken a long time for 29" to get to where it is today and it wasn't until Fork, rim and tyre manufacturers got on board with it that it took off.
Its funny that people think the wheel debate is about marketing because many people in the Industry were more negative about having to stock more SKUs which is bad for business and hits your stock turn.
Now that the Industry is already geared up for a two sized approach to wheels its an easy step to question the logic of the 26" wheel. The reality states that the 29" has brought some good gains and that bigger COULD be better. However, if we can move 26" a little bigger we get some additional benefit without too much of the negative...here lies the sweet spot....Perhaps!!
The fact of the matter is this....26" is not being developed....26" will only be offered as an entry level price point in most brands portfolio if they offer it at all and this will fuel the perception that 26" is 1. old and 2. well..entry level. This will speed up the decline of this wheel size.
There is nothing wrong with 26" wheel bikes. Somebody is not going to kick your ass because they have bigger wheels. The Industry is just evolving. Don't moan about it....this is the founding principle of MTBing.
PP - your Kona needs [url= http://www.ebay.com/itm/Joe-Murray-Reaction-Pair-of-Tires-Kona-Fat-Rocky-Norco-Brodie-Klein-Trek-Voodoo-/231163394442?pt=US_Tires&hash=item35d269798a ]these tires[/url] on it! (no connection at all to the sale, just came across it yesterday)
i felt no pleasure from passing the "26 ain't dead" T shirt wearing rider in a race yesterday on my 29er
[i]The fact of the matter is this....26" is not being developed....[/i]
by the major manufacturers.
having said that, it's just a wheel size, everything is changeable, handlebars, geometry, suspension...why not wheel size? I don't get why people get so wound up by it.
Given the general reluctance of this forum community to embrace any other kind of Conspiracy Theories, this continually claimed wheel size 'bike industry' conspiracy by some here, seems a little.... Wrong.
Crippo +1
I'm seeing 26" specific parts going a lot cheaper, especially the higher end stuff (new anyway). New black stanchioned RS 120mm SIDs QR15 £410 compared to £540 on CRC, 2013 AM All Mountains 40% off RRP etc. Even retailers seem to think it.
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every ride is a race
If you don't measure your fun factor by how many tenths you are off gee or hart, you may as well sit on the couch and play on the PS4/XBone.
😉
So every single (adult) bike I saw on yesterdays ride was a 26er. Are 29ers and 650b's virtually non-existent? or are they so fast that I can't see them?
thought the op had been quickly outed as a troll
101%
Well racing yesterday I'd say 80% of the bikes were 29ers, but that's racing & trying to go as fast as possible rather than playing in the woods, so I guess if going fast is your thing choose a bigger wheel and who doesn't like going fast and scaring themselves?
Well racing yesterday I'd say 80% of the bikes were 29ers, but that's racing & trying to go as fast as possible rather than playing in the woods, so I guess if going fast is your thing choose a bigger wheel and who doesn't like going fast and scaring themselves?
Slightly simplistic assessment of things but I admire your attempt to antagonise.
I always say 'ah clown bike' when I see a 29'er to the owner.The owners always accept my comment. As they should.
google image search 'clown bike' and rethink this.
Well racing yesterday I'd say 80% of the bikes were 29ers, but that's racing & trying to go as fast as possible rather than playing in the woods, so I guess if going fast is your thing choose a bigger wheel and who doesn't like going fast and scaring themselves?
by that argument, DH racing is 'the fastest', and they are mostly on 26ers...
Until I can get a selection of tyres that suit me and my needs I will be staying put in my little out of date 26 inch world.
At the moment only High Rollers seem to be available in dual ply flavour and they come at a salty price.
What about my poor 6yr old son he rode bits of cannock on his 18" BMX with a huge a grin on his face, have I got to tell him it's "more than dead!!"
Well racing yesterday I'd say 80% of the bikes were 29ers, but that's racing & trying to go as fast as possible rather than playing in the woods, so I guess if going fast is your thing choose a bigger wheel and who doesn't like going fast and scaring themselves?
by that argument, DH racing is 'the fastest', and they are mostly on 26ers...
True, this was XC racing but DH on 26" was last year, let's see what they use for WCs this season
Until some one on here genuinely can't buy a 26" part of the required quality this arguement is pointless.
The bike industry wants your money, just as it always has. They like coming up with new ways to make money. Get over it, just like you did when 20mm then 15mm axels, tapered head tubes, fat tyres that won't fit in old frames, droppers that need to be 30.9mm+ so don't fit your 'standard' 27.2mm became the latest 'must have'. Hell, lets go right back to when 1 1/8th became standard so getting forks for 1" or 1 1/4 became difficult. 650b is no different.
Oh, and if any one finds the box hora was put back in it might be an idea to see if he needs some water. 😆
so don't fit your 'standard' 27.2mm became the latest 'must have'.
Orange owner?
30.9 has been default for ever!
The only standard change that has impacted me is tapered head tubes and it was one of the reasons for a new frame. Every single other thing can be dealt with easily and cheaply.
True, this was XC racing but DH on 26" was last year, let's see what they use for WCs this season
It will be a mix of 26 and 650b with all but the top team riders on 26.
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^^^ That's all I can be bothered to say on the issue.
Riding my bike is one of the few things that makes me forget all the annoyances in life - I'm not going to let it be sullied by irrelevant shite like this.
So, even if 'the bike industry' did drop one MTB wheel size, which turned out to be a BETA max size (24, 26, 650b or 29er...), there would always be bike companies building niche frames/rims for the masses who have stuck with what they always preferred.
How many "niche builders" are making suspension forks that
A)work
B)you can get spares for after 5 mins
C)don't cost a years salary
?
This will be the limiting factor, it's hard enough to find something decent with a straight steerer now & it's not going to get better
hora - Member
I stopped reading at 'Cannock Chase'
I think everyone knows my thoughts on Cannock.
You could ride 99% of Cannock on a CX bike.
Except you couldn't hack it on your big bouncy Orange, so how will you be faster on a skinny tyred CX bike? Imagine what the pebbles would do to that! You'd die...FACT!
I don't think that bigger wheels make you fatser / better automatically - there's still a lot required from the rider (like the guy who got hung up on a rocky climb on his 29er on Saturday that stopped me in my tracks on my 'dead' bike).
I don't plan to switch any toime soon but I tend to kepe frames for a while.
If people (with some effort) can still source bits for properly retro bikes, I'm sure most people will be able to keep their 26ers going for a while longer. And cheaper too if the tails of cheap forks etc are true.
i felt no pleasure from passing the "26 ain't dead" T shirt wearing rider in a race yesterday on my 29er
So they were riding in a casual cotton t-shirt? Sounds like a fun category rider to me, not some elite racer who cares whether you pass them or not.
Well racing yesterday I'd say 80% of the bikes were 29ers
So, did you feel no pleasure in passing some/lots of the 29ers, who happened to choose to ride with different tyres/forks/whatever than you?
... suspension forks ... This will be the limiting factor, it's hard enough to find something decent with a straight steerer now and it's not going to get better
One thing: the shift to tapered steerers offered little real benefit to 99% of riders, but forced lots of people to upgrade their frames in order to use new forks. A right pain, yes.
A second thing: if you have got a 26 frame that'll take a tapered steerer, you can just whack a 650b fork on it if you can' find a 26 one. You might need to make do with 10mm less travel to keep the height the same, but no big deal really.
So they were riding in a casual cotton t-shirt? Sounds like a fun category rider to me, not some elite racer who cares whether you pass them or not.
Yes we were all in the fun "race" anyone in a "race" who doesn't care if someone passes them shouldn't be in a "race" surely?
So, did you feel no pleasure in passing some/lots of the 29ers, who happened to choose to ride with different tyres/forks/whatever than you?
I felt no pleasure in being over taken & a lot of pain trying to hang onto wheels (some of which may have been 26" but none belonging to slogan T shirt wearers) I'm still rubbish on 29ers!
ok its a light weight hard tail but it just doesn't seem to stop rolling
I have a light XC race bike just like that. It's 26"
Hold on! Me me me! Back when I was fit and fairly fast, I occasionally raced in a t-shirt. Does that prove that 26" is faster or slower?
arnt they meant to be easier and therefore faster??I'm still rubbish on 29ers!
I just sit on the fence and have one wheel of each on my ride to work bike:
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asterix - MemberI'm still rubbish on 29ers!
arnt they meant to be easier and therefore faster??
i know, i am THAT rubbish
Back when I was fit and fairly fast, I occasionally raced in a t-shirt. Does that prove that 26" is faster or slower?
Was it a purple tie dye? 😉
Back when I was fit and fairly fast, I occasionally raced in a t-shirt. Does that prove that 26" is faster or slower?
Was it a purple tie dye? 😉
ive got both but non of my "29er" pals can touch me on my 26 when were at trails centers. horses for courses OP. 26 wont be dead until the 26 fairy takes them all to mtb heaven.
and for the niche-mungers now that fat bikes are mainstream there is only one choice
36er? Pah - mainstream and old skool. What you need is one of these 32ers:
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On my way to work this morning, I passed by an '89 Rockhopper chained to a lamppost. Now that Rockhopper was made of steel, was fully rigid, had canti brakes, square taper cranks, a threaded headset and 26" wheels. It's kept going for quarter of a century and from the looks of things will keep going for a long time yet. The owner will still be able to source replacement tyres, headsets, bottom brackets and cables for a long time yet.
Why should I worry myself over whether I'm riding the very latest piece of cutting edge technology? I like riding my bikes, period and that is enough for me.
The owner will still be able to source replacement tyres, ... for a long time yet.
Decent quality ones from his LBS? Good luck with that!
For those who don't understand, this is the issue with the 650b "revolution"
Decent quality ones from his LBS? Good luck with that!
Strange that the Specialized Concept Store at Covent Garden still stocks 26" tyres, then?
If 90% of mountain bikes out there aren't 27.5" then someone is going to manufacture and sell replacement tyres...
Strange that the Specialized Concept Store at Covent Garden still stocks 26" tyres, then?
Yes, incredibly strange when Specialized still have 26" bikes in their range. Are you deliberately missing the "for a long time" bit from what I'm replying to, and the "decent quality" bit from my reply?
For those who don't understand, this is the issue with the 650b "revolution"
^^^^ this.
For the hard of understanding, it's not the introduction of a new wheelsize that's causing the upset, it's the "we're not supporting 26 inch anymore even though it's what you all have and you're happy with and means your whole bike will have to be ditched because you can't get spare wheels or forks for it anymore, even if you don't want to spend cash on a whole new bike, or, in the middle of an economic crisis, don't even have the cash"
The apparent lack of real different in the new wheel size is not why people are upset, it's being forced into buying something they don't want...
Could someone put one of these soon to be obsolete 26rs in the sale section please, preferably a Stanton Slackline or a Cotic Soul. I am more than happy to risk not being able to buy tyres in 5yrs time if they are unwanted and almost being given away.