[Closed] Assegai vs DHF vs ???

2.5 DHF Max Terra EXO front

This is the front tyre I spend the most time on… but also use a 2.6 DHF and various WTB Vigilante. The knob spacing on the 2.6 is different to the 2.5, with a less ‘surprising’ transition… but in most conditions, the Vigi is even more consistent, especially in loose stuff.

Exactly the same findings for me with the DHF. I found it quite fast rolling and at moderate lean good, but as soon as I hit the dead spot (because I can't buy skill) the front drifts wide.

I have just taken out my new Aether 9 and fitted it with the Assegai EXO+ MaxxGripp on the front, mainly because Bird only ship with Maxxis.

So, the Assegai, it's not as draggy and heavy as reviews make out and it really does eliminate the dead spot totally. There is loads of grip, maybe a bit too much. I had a couple of moments where the front almost snapped in on me last night. However I should say, first time out on new bike.

What I can definitely recommend is the Hutchinson Griffus 2.5 (front) for the front. I went from the DHF MaxTerra EXO to the Griffus and it was night and day.

I'll go out on a limb and say that it is a great balance between grip and rolling speed. The compound is way better than the MaxTerra and almost as sticky as MaxxGripp, but rolls faster. It's 66TPI so lighter than the EXO+. Best part is it's about £45.

I would reccomend it over the Assegai, on all fronts, unless you are smashing it through mega rough terrain.

On the Dissector, I love it. I switched to the Griffus 2.4 (rear) for the rear, expecting a similar change like on the front. Mega grip, that I didn't need and loads of rolling resistance.

The Dissector (EXO, MaxxTerra) rolls really nicely, is predictable on a breakaway and when the side knobs engage you get feedback.

My preference is Griffus 2.5 Front, Dissector 2.6 on rear.

The FS is Assegai (EXO+, MG) and DFR2 (MT EXO) and it will be going to Griffus and Dissector.

Assegai is better in the dust than the DHF, be warned it is draggy though!
I've trimmed the small knobs out of the exo maxx terra one to make it better for mix conditions, found it clogged with a full compliment of knobs.

Had a dissector, found the sidewalls a bit flimsy, so would go with the exo+ next time, put a hole in the one I have and snake bited the bead. Rolled quick and cornered well though.

I've just gone from a DHF 2.5 to a Dissector 2.4 on the front. Only been out once but the Dissector feels lighter and corners just as well. So far.

I never got on the the Aggressor on the back. Felt slow and heavy. I much prefer a faster feeling tire on the back.

I'm slowly realising I don't get on with DHFs

In the mud and loam I'm not going quick enough to clear them and they clog really easily and I'm not aggressive enough with the front end to get the tall side knobs biting.

Weirdly, I think I actually preferred the DHR II as a front tyre.

Weirdly, I think I actually preferred the DHR II as a front tyre.

I'm trying that next. I have a 2.4 to try on the front.

DHR2 is a great front tyre, there is a reason why quite a few racers run them on the front.

For me the Assegai EXO+ MaxxGrip is a great front tyre. I've pretty much run it year round now on my normal bike, coupled up with a DHR2 MaxxTerra Double Down on the back. I tend to run what I race, so I know what to expect. Not the fastest rolling combo but they just work & don't do anything weird.

In fact I replicate it on my eeb too, just run DH casings but the same compound. The only time I have changed is to chuck a MaxxGrip Shorty on the front in the depths of winter as I tend to ride a lot of steeper, loose stuff and when it's really deep mud the spike helps.

As spring has now sprung though, back on the Assegai.

Assegai all the way for me. My DHFs are now unused.

Ref Dissector vs Aggressor on the back

I've been running a 2.6 Dissector on the back of a hardtail through the winter. It's been OK for that. Not amazing in UK winter but an OK all-rounder, although I think mainly it's the high volume and low pressure of it on a 35 rim I'm liking and I would probably say the same about a different tyre in 2.6.

Before this I ran the same tyre on a 30mm rim on the back of an enduro bike in the UK spring/summer, after a few rides on an Aggressor, so some sort of a like-for-like comparison. For me, I liked the Dissector a lot more than the Aggressor, mainly because the Dissector was less crap at shedding mud and to me it wasn't noticeably slower. However they were both blown out of the water for me by the far grippier 2.4 DHR I replaced them with. Maybe 2.6 tyres on 30mm rims are just too inclined to distort. Anyway, re Aggressor or Dissector, if I want a fast back tyre for the summer I'll bypass them both for a Minion SS/Rock Razor and if i don't I'll stick with DHR.

Ref DHF on the front - I'm another who has a marginal preference for DHR I think, although I'm happy enough with DHF and have had them many years. You just might find DHR is different enough to improve the front, or you might not.

I'll chuck in WTB Verdict. Wow, what a tire.

I have ridden HR2s for a couple years front and back but about to change to a disector on the back for summer.

To me I found the minnions fast rolling but not as predictable on the front as a HR2 so switched back.

I demoed a bike with Assegai front/dissector rear and it was brill but a wee slog up the hills.

DHR2 has made the DHF obsolete for me, I just think it's a better tyre in pretty much every situation (except maybe for deep mud, but that's what shortys are for).

Assegai I'm still on the fence about, every ride I've done with it lately it's clogged like a mother****** at some point. Could be just because of the specific mud (some of the local trails are very sticky) and it's definitely partly because I'm doing more lockdown pedalling, less high speed descents so it's not getting flung off. I've not tried cutting it and I've not written it off but so far I've not been blown away. It's not a fault of the tyre exactly but I wanted it to be sort of allroundy-but-muddier-than-the-dhr2-and-less-full-on-than-a-shorty, and it's struggling to do that. Probably the Magic Mary soft is a better choice, for me.

(maybe if I'd been having a usual winter of tweed valley slippy terror I'd be singing its praises)

Assegai amazing in everything except the worst mud. One of my favourite tyres ever.

Thanks for all of the replies!

I have noticed the DHRII mentioned quite a few times as a good front tire over the DHF.

DHRII seems like it could be a good (and lighter) set-up front and rear.

Does the DHRII front get rid of some of the vagueness that the DHF can have, or does it also have to be railed to really engage those side knobs?

I’m really looking for something that is going to feel locked in at all angles.

My go to tyre combo for last 5 years or so was 2.4 dhr2 front paired with an aggressor 2.3 dd rear most of the year or a pair of dhr2s during winter or possibly a shorty up front if I was racing in the real slop and wanted max traction. Dhr2 really is an ace tyre either end, up front it defo brakes much better in the steeps than a dhf and corners just as well in my opinion. Main issue I've had recently though is shitty quality control with maxxis tyres, warping and failing at the bead. Dd rear is a good solid option if you get a good one, exo is a bit fragile for me.
Anyway, I've now moved onto Kenda latest tyres, thought I'd give them a go as the hellkat looked like a nice uk all rounder. I run a 2.4 HK atc up front, which I'd say is on par with exo plus casing, but lighter on the scales. Such a great tyre! Like a faster rolling Mary, grips like hell in most stuff, better all rounder than either minion I'd say. Casing is very good too, supple but supportive and wobble free. Nevegal 2 emc rear which is their e bike casing, so tougher more reinforced carcass. It's faster rolling than the HK and minions, comparable to an aggressor I'd say, but better all rounder, although still not the best option in the slop. A pair of hellkat would be epic! I wanted a HK 2.4 in emc casing for the rear, but only 2.6 available atm.
Sorry, bit of an essay there! 😂

... Just to add, the HK comes in an AEC casing which is the enduro tough casing, dd equivalent, but only in softer compound which put me off for general rear use as assumed it would be a bit slow and fast wearing. If grip is top priority though I'd say they'd be a winner.

Out of the DHR2 and the DHF, I still prefer the DHF on the front. It seems to sit a bit squarer and thats exactly how I like my edge grip. I'll be trying am Assegai thia summer.

I too have come to realise that the DHR 2 is not what I'm after. The 2.3 is perfect except for carcass volume, and the 2.4 is just a bit to draggy and steals the perkiness from my ride.

The dissector seems to give the perk of the 2.3 with the bigger 2.4 carcass, and it brakes pretty well too, but I think it gives up a little edge grip. But I can live with that one the back.

jcway16
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Does the DHRII front get rid of some of the vagueness that the DHF can have, or does it also have to be railed to really engage those side knobs?

Basically it brakes and transitions better, the side knobs are essentially the same but if you're struggling with confidence or feel from the ground it's definitely easier to get into the edge grip on the DHR2. I don't think there's any equal-but-opposite downside to that tbh, it just feels nicer pretty much in ever corner.

DHR2 does go sideways a wee bit easier than the DHF, but it does it in a calmer way- so it's kind of like it drifts a wee bit more but it's way less troublesome whereas the DHF drifts less but when it does it, it's much scarier and more abrupt. (this is way more obvious if you put a DHF on the rear and it goes grip... grip... grip... DOOM and suddenly the rear end's at 90 degrees. While the DHR2 kind of goes grip... grip... steady now... watch it... slide... slide some more..." and it's all just way easier to work with even if maybe there's not actually quite as much absolute grip.)

Glad I've found this thread. Waiting on a Bird Aether and tyre choice is the Maxxis range - DHF, DHR2, Assegai, Rekon and Dissector. Ive been a long time away from MTBs so confidence is required! Got the fitness from years of road work but skills will be lacking. From the conversation above, sounds like the DHR2 might be the tyre for front and rear to give some of that confidence? I've had a few crashes on road and before that on the MTB and it's always been front end washouts which made me more and more tentative with cornering.

Much prefer the 2.4 wild Enduro front to the 2.6 dhf.
But I've ruined spring for everyone by putting a 2.3 slaughter on the back, and taking delivery of a 2.6 slaughter tomorrow. Always surprised how good they are for a semi-slick.

Glad I’ve found this thread. Waiting on a Bird Aether and tyre choice is the Maxxis range...

Same wait/choice for same bike, same crashes, here's what I concluded:

DHF DHR - default/popular option
DHR DHR - for a front with less of a vague zone and more grip when not aggressively leant over, good year-round combo
ASS DHR - for more frontend grip but rolls slower
*** DIS - for a faster-rolling rear that's not so good for winter
Rekons - more towards the XC end of trail

I went for DHR2 front and Dissector rear. If they work ok year-round then great I'm not pedaling anything heavier than I need to. If they struggle in winter then I buy a Shorty for the front and put the DHR2 on the back, or buy another DHR2 for the back. For winter delivery I was originally going for DHR2 both ends, but then decided on a Dissector rear as delivery will be in spring and also due to Covid will be doing more road link-ups.

@rob13 I bought a bird (AM160) a year ago and faced a similar question. I chose 2.6 DHF up front and 2.6 Rekon rear. The Rekon was a poor choice for me. I think it's more of an xc tyre and mine punctured for fun.

Having tried 2.6 Rekon, Aggressor then Dissector on the back I eventually concluded I got much better grip and puncture resistance from a 2.4 DHR. I couldn't run these 2.6s at lower pressures on that bike and for me that negated the benefit.

At the same time I went from 2.6 DHF to a narrower Vee Flow Snap on the front, which was also night and day better for me. I think perhaps I just didn't like the wider tyres on 30mm rims.

Overall, I'm another who likes DHR but I think width is very important. I'd be happy with it on the front too. In fact it might migrate there when my Schwalbe Rock Razor turns up for the back.

The 2.6 DHF and Dissector have since moved onto a hardtail with 35mm rims, where both are good, and I've run them at low pressures all winter.

currently running a 2.5 DHF Max Terra EXO front

The Maxxgrip exo is a better option in my experience, obvs won't last as long and it's not much fun on tarmac/fireroad climbs but it does hold a line better than the maxterra version. I use a 2.5 Shorty over the winter months, its a surprisingly good allrounder depending on the terrain. DHR2 rear all year round, dd casing

*Tyres

"Waiting on a Bird Aether and tyre choice is the Maxxis range – DHF, DHR2, Assegai, Rekon and Dissector."

Assegai looks a great all-year front tyre choice if you don't tend to get sticky mud where you ride (or ride bloody fast in the mud) - I know it's notably slow rolling but it's much less of an issue on the front. DHF 2.5 or DHR2 2.4 are good choices up front for something quicker rolling and a bit less good in the loose/mud, I prefer the braking power of the DHR2.

DHR2 2.4 is great out back for gnarlier riding but the 2.3 rolls way faster (all the extra size appears to be in the knobs) and isn't exactly short of grip so I prefer that on my 150mm (Bird) hardtail. Dissector 2.4 seems a great choice if it behaves quite like a DHR 2.3 but with more carcass volume.

Lots of good choices so I'd make the decision based on the compounds and carcasses available (I'm fine with Exo and inserts here but if I were buying now I'd get Exo+ for the rear, and I like MaxxTerra up front and Dual at the back but if you ride more wet rock you might want MaxxGrip front, MaxxTerra rear). Just bear in mind that Maxxis tyres change in more than just carcass volume when you get bigger widths - often the knobs get bigger and more widely spaced which makes a quite a difference to how they behave.

Lots of good advice on this thread.

So I'm going to swap from DHF / DHR to DHR front and back.

2.4 Max Terra on the front 2.3 DC on the back.

I've also got a Minion SS for all 2 weeks of Scottish summer. I might pick up a Shorty for when the winter slop returns.

Weirdly, I think I actually preferred the DHR II as a front tyre.

yep another who's made that change, I use the WT version out front and a regular 2.3 at the back. Much more sure footed, agree essentially with Northwind, much more feedback and feel I can push it harder, which is weird as the side knobs are essentially the same. Braking traction way better though fo'shure. Any-one want a 27.5 DHF?

On back tyres I stuck a 2.6 Forekaster on my Marino hardtail - never tried one before but it’s been ace so far. Running it on what should be too narrow a time (25mm internal) in exo flavour with a Rimpact in there to guard against pinch punctures as the tyre is quite light. It rolls pretty fast but has slogged through way more mud than I though it would hope with. On hardpack it can drift around a little bit like an aggressor when pushed hard. It’s staying on as my all year round tyre.

On the front I’ve run a 2.6” magic Mary apex soft in the mud but have recently swapped to a 2.4wt Dissector. It looks a lot smaller than the 2.4wt dhr2 on the back of my fs bike and especially small vs the Forekaster 2.6 and Magix Mary 2.6. Thinking maybe I should have got it in the 2.6” version.

That said the dissector is pretty fast rolling and so far on hardpack it grips pretty well. Not sure if I find it quite as confidence inspiring as the 2.5dhf I’d usually run though. Wondering if it might be more of a back tyre for me - but I also have a 2.6” slaughter to try on my fs at the back...so many choices!

I spec'd the 2.5 DHF on my AM9, kinds wish I'd gone DHR2 now, that transition between the centre and outer knobs is very noticeable.

"feel I can push it harder, which is weird as the side knobs are essentially the same"

I remember this got mentioned when the DHR2 was launched but it seems to have been forgotten in recent years - the side knobs on a DHR2 are thicker than the side knobs on a DHF of the same size, so they distort less under heavy cornering loads. Put them side by side or even look at some photos and you'll see the difference.

Ah, cheers Chief, didn't realise they were different. makes sense though.

So, how does the Assegai compare to the DHF?

Slower rolling but much more grippy and capable in a wider range of conditions.

Very impressed so far, but I do have the MaxxGrip version.

+1 for WTB Verdict, grip is unreal. They are draggy, but small price to pay for front end confidence.

Interested to try the Verdict in the light/high grip combo.

I have the Verdict Wet in the tough/high grip format and it's ridiculously grippy in wet conditions, but ridiculously draggy also.

Magic Mary 2.6 soft

chiefgrooveguru
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I remember this got mentioned when the DHR2 was launched but it seems to have been forgotten in recent years – the side knobs on a DHR2 are thicker than the side knobs on a DHF of the same size, so they distort less under heavy cornering loads.

TBH there's actually a load of wee variations even between different DHFs and DHR2s, which is why I said essentially the same rather than identical- I wouldn't even be confident in saying which ones specifically have what variations over time, I've had different DHFs of apparently identical spec that have slightly different knob shapes. I've basically decided not to worry about it since I don't think you can predict exactly what you're going to get.

(there's some little rolling revisions in the DHR2's centre tread too, I think possibly from when they introduced the WT version, but I don't know if they rolled that to every model or not)

Recently got a bird am9, specced an asagai on the front and absolutely love it

don't be afraid to mix brands! I've got a mary front and dhr2 rear all year round. Only in the very height of a dry summer do i feel like I might want something a little different (Scotland Enduro-ish)

I have an assegai 2.5 on the front and rekon 2.6 on the rear. Bike still rolls pretty fast and the rekon is quite light so it offsets the weight of the assegai. Grip on the front feels super in loam and dry, maybe not so much in mud. Rear is not great in mud so hoping for dryer times.

WTB Verdict light high grip front
WTB Judge tough high grip rear

The only combo you’ll ever need

Extra weight gets you fitter as well!

Anyone use an Aggressor at the rear?

I'm struggling to find a 2.3" Dual Compound DHRII to go on the rear but CRC have got the Aggressor in stock.

I had a Rekon lying around and tried it on the rear. Its hilariously shit. I think a Minion SS has more grip.

Aggressor has the rolling resistance of the DHR2 with the grip of the SS. It's not good at anything.

^^^^ Cheers

I will avoid then.

In the garage I currently I have:
2.3" 3C DHF
2.3" 3C HRII
2.4" Rekon
2.3" Minion SS

Out of that lot what would you pair with a 2.4" 3C DHRII up front for woodsy natural trails

I quite like the SS, it's better than it should be in the wet, although braking grip is obviously rubbish. I didn't hate the Rekon, but only ever used it in 2.8".

I'd probably stick the DHF out back, we were all happy with DHF front and rear back in the day. Bonus for having a front tyre out back and a rear up front.

Aggressor in 2.5 is ok, its just worse at everything compared to a DHR. 2.3 is terrible, no side bite, no braking grip and draggy for how little of the former it gives!

A rekon with DHR/DHF/High Roller side knobs would be ace, like a beefed up minion SS (which has a narrow window to us it, plus having to run it on a sub 25mm rim)

Aggressor in 2.5 is ok, its just worse at everything compared to a DHR

Almost. Last night's ride on the BFe was bone-jarringly terrible with a 2.3 DRH2 on the back. The time before that on a 2.5 Agressor was bliss in comparison. Even though the clearance isn't great, it's going back on.

Almost. Last night’s ride on the BFe was bone-jarringly terrible with a 2.3 DRH2 on the back. The time before that on a 2.5 Agressor was bliss in comparison.

That does appear to speak more to the frame than the tyres though, TBF.

richmtb - I'd stick the DHF on the back when trails are dry and swap to the HR2 when wet.

swap to the HR2 when wet.

I'm in Scotland so I'll just stick the HRII on then 🙂

I have about 35 miles on my front mounted Assegai on my Aether 9. It's still early days, but I've not found it to roll any slower that the DHF or DHR2.

So far, its edge grip seems a bit worse that the DHF in softer conditions, but that figures because its a tighter spaced tread which certainly does fill up unless its dry.

In good firm ground it seems to be no worse than the DHF. I'm hoping as things dry it will show its qualities more.

My suspicion is that its a better trail centre tyre for a typical UK summer than it is for natural trails and off-piste.

If this is the case I will either end up back on a DHF or a Magic Mary for the summer season.

I have about 35 miles on my front mounted Assegai

Which compound, out of interest?

I've been riding the Maxxgrip (DD carcass) and it's great as an intermediate tyre - not quite as good mud-shedding as a Mary - but amazing for loam & wet rocks/roots.

Reading this thread with interest. I've just picked up a new bike that has a Rekon on the rear with the EXO casing. A friend tells me they're quite light and as I'm planning on taking it to Snowdonia I'm wondering how it's likely to hold up? It rolls well but that's what you'd expect from the tread pattern.

It's a maxxterra I think. Rubber isn't sliding, it's edges aren't tall enough for the softer soil we still have down here, or there isn't enough bite because the tread is quite dense.

Just fitted a pair of dissectors, early days but I'm liking them a lot.

The edge knobs are actually pretty tall and more on the side wall than any of the other maxxis I've seen, they have a really, really good edge to work with. A 2.4 is pretty rounded on a 30 mm rim.

Braking is good, not DHR levels though.

Rolling is good.

Turning is really, really good. I'm sure the same people who don't get on with high rollers with have the same issue with dissectors.

Anyone use an Aggressor at the rear?

I’m struggling to find a 2.3″ Dual Compound DHRII to go on the rear but CRC have got the Aggressor in stock.

I had a Rekon lying around and tried it on the rear. Its hilariously shit. I think a Minion SS has more grip.

If you can find a dissector that’s better than the aggressor. Faster rolling than a dhr2 but finds more grip than the aggressor.

I'm on DHRII max grip front and DHRII max terra rear, both in 2.4. The rear tyre needs replacing and I'm thinking I'll either just swap it like for like or maybe buy a soft Magic Mary for the front and move the max grip DHRII to the rear until it's worn out.

Has anyone experienced both the MM and the DHRII as a front tyre? How do they compare? I've generally liked the DHRII on the front but wonder if there's something better out there. I'd like it to be decent in dry & loose and also wet and loamy. I'm not so worried about mud, basically I'm looking for a year round option excluding sticky mud. Would you recommend something different entirely?

appltn
Full Member

Has anyone experienced both the MM and the DHRII as a front tyre? How do they compare?

Pretty much like you'd expect actually- they're both fairly allroundy but the MM is better at the muddy end, the DHR2 is better on mixed/hard, they meet in the middle. They're both really good (I'm comparing soft with maxxterra here, both 2.4) The DHR2 has a more forgiving nature I think, that classic "when it goes, it goes gently" which makes it easier to use all the grip, the Mary has more grip in a lot of circumstances but it's definitely harder for me to push that grip because when it goes, it goes.

For me, the Mary's probably the best "one tyre for all uses" I've ever used. But the DHR2 is better at the things it's good at and that's still a really wide range. Narrower range of use but better in that range. So me, I'd prefer to have a Shorty and a DHR2 and swap occasionally. But a lot of people would rather have the Mary all the time and that'd be really good too.

Completely agree with Northwind's comments re:the Magic Mary. It's the only tyre I can think of that I would happily use all year round on the front.

I wasn’t a fan of the dhr2 on the front (but like it as a back tyre) - I found it had good grip until the moment it didn’t and then I found myself using my face as a brake.

Magic Mary is a better front tyre for me. The 2.35” is a good allrounder (snakeskin addix soft / 650b) for most conditions. The 2.6” apex snakeskin addix soft (650b) is much better than the 2.35” in sloppy mud and does ok as an allrounder. Vs the Hillbilly 2.6” it’s better on hardpack - the Hillbilly squirms more.

DHF is better than all of the above on hardpack for me but it lacks bite when it’s muddy. I tend to run dhf spring / summer but Magic Mary or Hillbilly the rest of the year up front.

Thanks for the feedback, it's very helpful.

It sounds like maybe my best option would be to stick with the DHRII I currently have on the front right now since we're coming in to spring and summer and then look at a magic mary at the end of the summer when I expect this DHRII will be nearing the end of its life anyway.

SirHC

A rekon with DHR/DHF/High Roller side knobs would be ace, like a beefed up minion SS (which has a narrow window to us it, plus having to run it on a sub 25mm rim)

I should have recommended the Dissector, it's spot on for what you want here, I think. Been impressed with it, although I did rip my first one a bit too eaily

“ Vs the Hillbilly 2.6” it’s better on hardpack – the Hillbilly squirms more.”

I’ve had the same Hillbilly 2.6 on the front of my Levo for over 2000 miles (quite a bit of commuting in that) and this autumn/winter I’ll put on a fresh one. The centre knobs have worn to the point that the sipes are just vanishing but the side knobs are barely worn. It’s riding so well in the current mix of dry hardpack with loose moments, shorter knobs mean the squirm is gone!

I know it isn’t the stickiest of compounds but it’s not that bad and this kind of wear rate is incredible - it’s like some of the best Continental black chilli tyres. Maxxis tyres round off their edges so much sooner!

I have a Magic Mary 2.35 on my hardtail and it’s equally great - such good all conditions front tyres.

Quite like the dissector! Not as grippy as it looks imo but also faster than it looks. I've often looked for something between a dhr2 rear and a rockrazor and it's maybe the best for that I've found. Still not entirely sure I'm going to stick with it but it's good

I'd actually quite like to give other brands a try, I'm not desperate to be a Maxxis fanboy but they are easily the most consistent when it comes to putting them on a rim and staying up.

Other brands (I'm looking at you Schwalbe) I've found to be utter dicks when it comes to getting the tyres on the rims and inflated. Magic Marys look great but if I have to spend an hour swearing at them, bruising thumbs and snapping levers before giving up then I'll stick with DHR's

YMMV but i just find Maxxis easier to live with.