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my 170mm 30lb "enduro sled" was a much faster bike that I am a rider.
I sold it as I was definitely overbiked and not prepared to ride it as fast as it should have been.
...... led underbiked! Got my Scale set up beautifully for my local Thetford trails.... then moved to the hills of North Portugal! 🙄
Depends on context for me. If I'm out with a group I'd rather err on the side of caution and take the big bike, especially on unknown trails (big for me is 150 front 140 rear at the moment), but if I'm solo or riding known trails and I'm happy to be a bit slower then I do like taking the my rigid bike out and seeing how much I can mince down!
Overbiked as in meaning one cannot get to the limits of the bike? almost all of us I would think. More capable bikes are quicker even if you are nowhere near the limits tho I guess and maybe even feel better to ride.
I also have a theory that thrashing a less suitable bike can be more fun. A trail that is a challenge to get a short travel hardtail down smoothly but on a longer travel full sus is easy - which bike is more fun?
My fatbike is a lot more capable than I am. Its fun to ride tho.
A trail that is a challenge to get a short travel hardtail down smoothly but on a longer travel full sus is easy – which bike is more fun?
The one you actually make it to the bottom on.
I've ridden many trails this year I simply wouldn't have got down on a short travel bike. Theres no fun in that.
Anyone under 60 with a motor in their bike who doesn't have a registered disability should be subjected to ridicule and shame, irrelevant of the amount of travel.
If you don't race DH or Enduro, there is no need for anything bigger than maybe a 120mm 29er in the UK. Anyone compensating for their skill should also be subjected to ridicule and shame.
I think those are fair levels to set - and totally reasonable.
I’ve ridden many trails this year I simply wouldn’t have got down on a short travel bike. Theres no fun in that.
Thats not my point.
*swoons at continuity*
I’ve never raced DH, but I have ridden a lot of DH tracks. They would’ve been shit on a 120mm 29er
And I am definitely not a DH rider either, but had a 200mm travel DH bike for trips to the Alps but also used on UK uplifts. Whole lot of fun and didn’t feel beaten up at the end of every day.
I have just as much fun on my fully rigid singlespeed as I do my 29er trail bike, as both involve me doing what I love which is getting out in to the countryside and riding local trails.
I have just the one HT with 140mm forks. It's a bit much for around the local trails but about right for trail centre reds and natural stuff in The Lakes.
The younger woman at Machynlleth on the full bus e-bike was amazed that was on a hardtail but I run what I have and go slower for a similar amount of fun or faster for a greater amount of terror.
Out of interest where and what do you ride continuity?
The problem with motors if you are older is lifting the bike over the locked gates. I have a bus pass, but will stick to pedalling.
Continuity must be fun on a ride. Demanding to know the ages and disabilities of fellow riders. Must be exhausting to think in those terms.
Or it's just some lazy trolling.
The only thing I will say about the "overbiked" thing is that it's a bloody excellent tool for outing the bellends who like to make judgements on other people's choice of bike, as if their opinion is
a: wanted
b: relevant
c: respectful of the bike owner's personal choice
d: of any consequence since its just bloody bike riding which is meant to be fun
That way, it's easy to give them a wide berth. So please do keep making thise judgement comments boys, that way we know who to avoid 🤣🤣🤣
Nah, you buy whatever bike you think suits your use case (and budget).
Ride what you want, nobody actually cares.
I reckon my AM9 is 'just right' as I sometimes feel underbiked on the more challenging trails around here (Aberdeenshire) but it's still a lot of fun when I hit the mellower trails & trail centres.
A unicycle around my house. A 115mm xc bike around Yorkshire, the Peak and Lakes, but rarely at trail centres unless with mates new to mountain biking.
The entire thread is stupid, why not try and lay down some arbitrary rules?
why not try and lay down some arbitrary rules?
Because that's roadie behaviour. I don't care what colour your socks are or how sharp your tan lines are. I certainly don't give a shit what type of mtb you're riding.
This thread is pap.
Or it’s just some lazy trolling.
He's not over biked just under bridged.
^ heh.
Oh a unicycle clown.
I'll just ignore anything else you post then.
@Continuity is behind Lulzy. I appreciated.
Secretly, my prejudices *mostly* align...
I am in the overbiked list of shame.
I judge any rigid rider who doesn't have artisanal quince in their utility sporran. They are under-quinced
No, because being over biked doesn't actually exist in real life. People just ride the bike they have (or have with them) in the place that they happen to be.
Underbiked, overbiked, wombling free.
There's fun in rattling down a slightly rooty/rocky descent on a gravel bike, on the edge of death, passing walkers with looks of horror/amazement on their faces, and there's also fun in riding the same trail on a big bike with loads of suspension and coil springs and big knobbly tires, at mach speed on the edge of your limits/bravery.
Which is correct? Both.
Dunno about the bike, but post Xmas binge I am feeling very under-legged and under-lung-ed
TBH, I've been over biked since I got my first tricycle aged 3yrs.
Two folk riding the same blue trail, one on a Geometron, one on a rigid fixie.
Geometron dude has only one bike.
Fixie dude also has a fatbike, a summer road bike, a winter road bike, gravel bike, hardtail, a BMX and a unicycle*.
Which one is overbiked?.
Makes ye think. 😅
*just for you continuity 😘
I'm on a trail bike and I'm very happy with it but I do definitely think I might be be off with a bit more travel. But I guess I'll always like the idea of something new and slightly different.
Yes everyone is over biked, bring back 500mm wide bars, full rigids and v brakes just to make the tame trails where i live more "Fun"
But in the same vain No, lots of people can only afford one bike, so they buy a bike for the most extreme riding they will do, which for me is bike parks, however lots of my local trails, flatish single track dont need a 160/140 full suspension rig.
I do also have a hardtail, however thats going up for sale soon as i cant justify having two mountain bikes and a road bike.
I took a beginner to Dalby the other day and went on a CX bike. It was the most fun I've had in ages and I suggest it to anyone as a way of reigniting joy at soulless trail centres. It even had a slick centre tread so I had to properly lean it to get any grip at all. Perma-grin, although my poor 303s...
I think it's useful to define the problem here, but I'm struggling to do that. What does over-biked even mean? To know that, you have to have an idea of what the optimum bike is - the bike that's the most efficient for getting from A to B? Perhaps some of us have a commute that crosses the Grampians or something, but the rest of us don't need a mountain bike - they're just a fun thing to play with.
Let people be, I certainly am not going to judge anyone for their choice, even if they are guilty of having more travel than me while seemingly being less rad.
On the other hand, maybe we can discuss this without the element of judgement? I've had a lot of fun riding a slightly shorter-travel bike this year (gone from 160 to 130mm FS).
I have a Norco Optic (140mm front, 125mm rear). The modern geo on it allows me to ride pretty much anything on it and i do. Self preservation or lack of skill/confidence stop me from riding the odd feature, rather than blaming the bikes lack of travel/geo/weight/etc.
I have ridden it down EWS tracks in Finale, black trails at Bike Park Wales, local Enduro races and i will be doing the Ard rock Enduro and Megavalanche on it this year. Would those places be 'easier' or more 'comfy' on a bigger bike... most probably, but i enjoy the challenge, get a sense of satisfaction from riding things 'outside of its paygrade' and just love the way the Optic rides.
I have no problem with others riding what they please. I am sure some bikes might be more suited to certain trails, but you can pretty much ride anything, anywhere, if your spuds, skills and inclination allows! (see Blake Sampson do the Mega or Tweed Valley EWS on a hardtail).
I occasionally think about getting a longer travel bike, but i am pretty sure i would never ride it, as i would always reach for the Optic.
<scenesetting>I was out with a mate last night, him on a new Stumpy and me on my Five. We were doing some pretty techy steep trails in our local woods and it was -1c when I got back to the car.</scenesetting>
Anyway, as we tracked back up the hill on a fire road we saw a bloke on a gravel/cross bike going down the very same trails we’d just done. I’m sure we had less squeaky bum time on them than he did, but it was mighty impressive to see him even dropping into those kind of trails.
Rigid...that's proper dick swinging
I think it’s useful to define the problem here, but I’m struggling to do that. What does over-biked even mean?
I'm not sure there is a problem!
I would define "overbiked" as having a bike more capable than the rider. For me by that definition I am overbiked on my fat bike! But where is the problem? It matters not one jot!
I would define “overbiked” as having a bike more capable than the rider.
That's not the definition. It means when the bike is designed for significantly more extreme conditions than the ride it is on.
Eg Enduro bike at Llandegla
Triple clamp DH bike on Buzzards Nest Blue.
Top of the range Cervello for a trip to the corner shop for fags.
Even if it was Rat, Duke and Chris respectively on those rides, they would be overbiked.
If I took an enduro bike to degla then I'd be OB. If I took that same bike down Ullock Pike then I'd not be OB.
It's the trail it's being used on that is important, not the rider.
I would define “overbiked” as having a bike more capable than the rider.
Well, I definitely don't agree with that. I didn't think the term is intended as a measure of rider skill - I thought it was to do with the terrain you're riding on. Outside of riding off cliffs in Utah, or racing WC DH, the best riders can ride anything on any bike. By your metric, since a rigid bike in the hands of a great rider can probably ride any UK trail, even that bike would be 'overbiked' for most of us?
I would define “overbiked” as having a bike more capable than the rider.
But even that doesn't make sense. I regularly ride a 22 year-old 26in rigid SS on some relatively techy local stuff, as well as a CX bike and a modern FS 29er. I'm sure basically anyone better than me could take any of them and ride them quicker. Because they're better than me. Someone fitter than me could ride them all further and faster than I can.
Which bike they might want to take and ride quicker than I can doesn't really matter. The bikes aren't capable of anything on their own!
It would be interesting to know how much better than me someone would have to be to ride the SS quicker than I can ride the FS. Probably not a lot!
Edit: basically as above!
it would be interesting to know what type of bike folks would or wouldnt ride down a trail.
If you had biker 'a' at the top of fairly techy steep trail and said would you ride the following bikes down it, what would they accept or decline. Assuming they had a choice of DH, Enduro, Long Travel trail bike, short travel trail bike, down country, XC, rigid, fat bike, penny farthing.
Whether its a mindset rather than a bike capability issue.
As looking at any major brand releasing a new model, there is always a team riding ripping down a serious bit of trail, at serious speed... way faster than anyone of us could do!
Do you think theres loads of threads on forums like piston heads about people being 'over car'd' or over motorbiked??
I think people on here deliberately underbike themselves so they can use it as an excuse when they're avoiding lairy features and mincing down chicken lines.
Do you think theres loads of threads on forums like piston heads about people being ‘over car’d’ or over motorbiked??
I don't think there is, even thought that's much more of a real thing given the proliferation of 7 foot wide cars with 300+bhp. Roads aren't getting any wider and there's no jumps or pro-lines to worry about.
I would define “overbiked” as having a bike more capable than the rider.
Supposing my sister, my son and Steve Peat load three bikes into the Nevis Range Gondola: an Anthem 27.5, a Spec Enduro and a full on downhill bike.
At the top one they each get allocated a bike and a trail: the WC, Top Chief or the new blue.
Is TJ seriously suggesting that Steve Peat isn't overbiked if he ends up on New Blue on the Downhill Bike, but my son is overbiked if he gets the Enduro to do Top Chief?
Bollox. 🙂
I’m would say that claiming someone is overbiking is just another example of riders either feeling jealous of those with bigger, shinier toys or wanting to feel a bit smug/superior to them.
Are some bikes better suited to different terrain than others? Yep, but for some N+1 isn’t really a possibility so the rest of us ride what we want/have/afford.
Do you think theres loads of threads on forums like piston heads about people being ‘over car’d’ or over motorbiked??
Yes, 100%
Buying a 200bhp litre sports bike as your second bike which will do 200mph and is capable of breaking the NSL in first gear. A very very common thread, I think you'll find 🤣
Same for cars tbh with the ludicrous power some are now putting out - less of an issue though as you need big money to buy something north of 500bhp, whereas £2k can get you a 180mph litre sportsbike.
I think people on here deliberately underbike themselves so they can use it as an excuse when they’re avoiding lairy features and mincing down chicken lines.
Or, I hate to say, a bit of 'holier than thou' attitude - 'Helvellyn? I've ridden that on a 1992 rigid Kona with cantilever brakes and a foam mushroom for a helmet. Anyone who needs 160mm of travel and 29 inch wheels to ride it is stupid!!'
The only argument that makes any sense to me about this sort of thing is the following I had on a ride a while back while chatting to my ride buddy:
The trails you were doing with some practice, finesse and skill are now going to be somewhat easier (for any given definition of the word) on a bike that has more DH oriented geometry ad more travel (i.e. the eponymous Over-Bike).
If we mostly go down these sorts of trails because (like the watcher of horror movies or the rider of roller coasters) we all like the adrenaline rush of fear. If that rush is no longer there, (because the bike is way more capable) the only way you can really recreate that sensation is to go faster. Some folks are going to reach the limit of "the skill needed at the new speed you're travelling" sooner than others. For those people the over-bike is probably going to be too scary to be fun any more, and you may just end up at A&E If your new speed can keep up with your skill, your over bike will be mor funz. Choose accordingly
copyright @Chipps
@Ta11pau1 That’ll all change later this year when the govt. mandate governors on all new cars regulating their speed. Lol.
Or at least it will once all the older cars eventually die off.
Do you think theres loads of threads on forums like piston heads about people being ‘over car’d’ or over motorbiked??
Absolutely. There's a reason why low powered sports cars like Caterham 7's still exist and why the mk1 mx5 is popular.
If the measure of being "Over/Under-biked" is the amount of travel and gadgets Vs the Gnarr factor of your typical Terrain (which it seems to be), then it's hard to be "Overbiked" on a Rigid MTB or a Gravel bike IMO.
I have a 130R/140F 29er which is probably just about in the "Overbiked" category for my current MTBing use (or lack thereof), I do spend far more time on my 700c Gravel bike.
It's not that the FS MTB is no fun to ride, it simply works better if you have some more challenging (rough/steep/jumpy) terrain to throw it at, which I don't have so much to ride from my doorstep. I'm just not loading up the car and driving places to ride at weekends (certainly not until summer TBH) hence the Gravel bike sees more mileage.
I like the FS MTB and it serves it's purpose admirably So it won't be going any time soon. By the same token I won't be going through the rigmarole of replacing it with a slightly shorter travel FS MTB any time soon, I'd rather have 10-20mm more travel than is 'optimal' half the time TBH, it's not the worst thing ever.
My latest project though is resurrecting an old 29er HT frame (actually from the bike the current FS replaced), with some Rigid forks (previously it had 120mm Reba and an angleset) to be used as a bit of an in-between option; not as harsh as the gravel bike due to having more tyre volume, and wider MTB bars will make it a bit more fun and controllable on trails, at the same time it won't be as 'inefficient' or complex as a bouncy MTB.
It won't have a Dropper (at least not initially) and will start off single speed, possibly gaining cheap 1x8 or 1x9 if I decide it needs some gears later.
It's going to be a bit of a cheap "KISS principle" based MTB, which I may experiment with drivetrain and wheels/tyres on a bit but ultimately the intent will be for me to be either slightly "Underbiked" or just "Biked" (can you ever achieve the zen state of being neither over or Under-biked?) primarily for my local riding.
Or, I hate to say, a bit of ‘holier than thou’ attitude
'Holier than thou' could be on the STW coat of arms.
Who cares ! - so many pompous riders that think they are some sort of "purists" and quietly scoff any anyone having fun and daring to ride a line/trail with anything over 100mm travel. Always ready to pontificate on here about how their cobbled together, cheap, short travel/hardtail bike is all you need. Would never say it to anyones face though
Over biked.
See also mocking new riders with nice kit.
Calling road riding 'The darkside'
Taking 'The rules' seriously.
Etc etc etc.
It's all just riding bikes, which are brilliant, Try not to ruin it by being a ****.
Do people use the term overbiked mainly when referring to other people?
I don't. I very much considered it in relation to myself. I stupidly bought a specduro after an alps trip and then used it loads in the UK.
'Overbiked' described me perfectly for most of the next two years. So I went and bought an Anthem and was underbiked.
Now I've got an Occam and am Optimallybiked.
Actually, those 2 years could be just as well described as Undertrailed rather than overbiked. I was doing lots of family rides, and longish XC rides, for which the Specduro was too much. Had I shifted my riding focus to trails more suitable for the bike then that would have also served the purpose.
I'm going to be controversial here - I really enjoy riding my big bike on normal XC and trail centres too. The extra weight and grippy tyres etc mean I get in a better workout for the same time commitment.
What's travel?
Rigid steel SS 26er with carbon forks.
Surely people are only overbiked sometimes
When racing Enduro i'm perfectly-biked. But when i take the same bike to the cafe, i'm underbiked, or over-suspensioned.
But when you have 1 bike it has to do the 1 thing you REALLY need it to do best... it can do the other parts fine, ok, acceptably...
Sure, not all my rides are fully gnarly... but enough are that i want and need the bounce.
Do people use the term overbiked mainly when referring to other people?
I don't think I've ever heard anyone use it in the real world, only on the internet. If the normal bunch of us were riding tonight we'd be on anything from a 100mm xc HT to a full enduro bike. Occasionally people will turn up on DH bikes, gravel bikes, jump bikes, retro bikes, cross bikes and I seem to remember at least one BMX (when his main bike was in pieces). There is often amusement and ribbing about the bike being ridden, but not because it's 'too big'. Normally it's related to the state of the bike/tyres/brakes/trailside rock hammer repairs...
So if you believe that someone is 'over biked' is it your moral duty to tell them so?
The extra weight and grippy tyres
It's possible that those riders who can't cope with grippier tyres are underlegged? 😀
What’s travel?
Erm... The thing you are doing on your:
Rigid steel SS 26er with carbon forks
Sorry. Couldn't resist. #poorjokealerti'llleavequietlymovealongnothingtoseehere
@IdleJon you have just described me perfectly. And I am most definitely over-biked and under-skilled.
My "Big" bike is a Gen 1 Flaremax. I'm sure most people could ride my gnarliest route on a 100mm hardtail, so by that measure I'm "over biked". However, I couldn't ride my gnarliest routes on much less so I don't think I am over biked. I also wouldn't be riding anything gnarlier if I had a much longer travel bike.
I'm a rubbish technical rider with balls the size of a hamster...
In the spirit of what the OP was about, yeah I'd say I was over biked slightly. I ride a 160/150 Bird AM9 with a a coil and beefy parts but would be fine on something shorter travel for the majority of my riding. I think people, me included, often buy a bike for what they think they'll ride all the time, not what they actually do.
But I'd also say if you can afford a nice bike and you want a longer travel then F what anyone else thinks and ride what the hell you want! 🙂
25 years ago I was was riding a fully rigid claud butler with canti brakes.
Now I ride a 170mm yt Capra or a 160mm ebike.
I ride the same trails now as I did back then, I just do the downhill bits faster these days - and crash less.
I did have some bloke on a rigid singlespeed ask me if I thought I was overbiked when I was riding round Cannock chase once,
I think people with a different bike for every kind of trail are overbiked.
When racing Enduro i’m perfectly-biked. But when i take the same bike to the cafe, i’m underbiked, or over-suspensioned.
But when you have 1 bike it has to do the 1 thing you REALLY need it to do best… it can do the other parts fine, ok, acceptably…
What you've said makes sense to me FWIW. OTOH, what if someone's local loop is pretty flat, but they (plan to) go to the Alps for a week once a year? Should they buy a DH bike (which would be the best tool for Pleny laps) and ride that all year, or actually is that a bit silly? Where do you draw the line?
In general, it's a recognition that more travel is not necessarily better; that shorter-travel bikes are probably more fun on the stuff that people ride most often. #Downcountry etc. By buying a bike that can 'cope' with absolutely everything you might plausibly ride it on, people are doing themselves a disservice.
OTOH, what if someone’s local loop is pretty flat, but they (plan to) go to the Alps for a week once a year?
In that instance it comes down to "what is the person comfortable doing"... in his instance, i'd probably hire a DH/Enduro bike for the time in the Alps.
In that instance it comes down to “what is the person comfortable doing”… in his instance, i’d probably hire a DH/Enduro bike for the time in the Alps.
Because to ride the DH bike year-round would be being overbiked, right? We're in agreement, I'm just posing hypothetical to try to understand what the question really is.
So where does one draw the line? Should you buy an Enduro bike that you can ride in the Alps (perhaps not quite as good as a DH bike for that trip) AND while at home for mincing around your local pan-flat trails (also not the optimal bike for that). I know that's a false dichotomy and for most people it's more grey than that.
I reckon the 'overbiked' question is really "Are people persuaded (By marketing? By an inflated sense of their own adventurousness) to choose a bike with excessive travel, and would they be happier overall if they went with something with less travel?"
I reckon the ‘overbiked’ question is really “Are people persuaded (By marketing? By an inflated sense of their own adventurousness) to choose a bike with excessive travel, and would they be happier overall if they went with something with less travel?”
It happens the other way as well. Most people who buy a road bike would be better served with a gravel bike, or similar hybrid thing. Road bikes are only really a great choice if you have lots of smooth tarmac to take advantage of those quick, narrow tyres. Less so, if you're pottering down the seafront for a pint with your mates, or trudging up the muddy cycle-path to work. But I won't look like a pro-racer if I'm not on a carbon framed aero bike.. 😀
So, yes, people are persuaded to buy the wrong bike, whatever that is, every day. That's part of the fun, normally.
Do people use the term overbiked mainly when referring to other people?
Not me, I know that any bike I ride is much more capable than me. You could stick me at the top of a WC downhill course on a Brompton, and I'd still be considerably over-biked 🙂
There are a couple of other variables.
1. Your fitness to skill ratio and how it differs from your riding companions.
2. What you actually find fun.
I'm local to swinley, my inlaws are close to dalby. both get mentioned as dull easy trail centres that certain people only find fun when on a gravel bike.
I've ridden a gravel bike on holiday, and I've ridden a rigid 29er locally.
I have no doubt I could complete the red route at both swinley and dalby on a gravel bike without falling off or chickening out.
I also have no doubt that I would not enjoy the experience anywhere near as much as on either of my bikes, which in modern parlance would be a hardcore hardtail, and a heavy duty trail bike.
But I'm trying to pump out of corners, bunnyhop some roots/puddles, double up some rollers; rather than caring about my fastest full lap time.
I’m a rubbish technical rider with balls the size of a hamster…
Hamster per ball? Am impressed.
Hamster per ball? Am impressed.
Hamster ball per ball. Even more impressed.
Don't hamsters have rather large testicles in comparison to their whole body size? They must be good on a bike. Any bike.
I don't give a damn under most circumstances. even where I am in the Surrey Hills, there's plenty of chunky stuff to stretch a 'big' bike if you go looking for it. But - true story:
I do start to care when someone starts badmouthing a nice twisty singletrack trail I helped build ~15 years ago because it isn't challenging on their 150mm 29er. Of course it's going to be tame. We built the trail to be fun for all abilities at the time, and I know plenty of people who ride it with their kids who are happy riding it at warp speed when they're out with their mates. It's still a go-to trail for many people, and ridden at speed it's still quite hard work. Then there's all the people who gave their time and sweat to build it.
Maybe all of that whining from me is because someone is acting all entitled, though - rather than about them being overbiked or otherwise.
My biggest bike is a 150/135mm Orange Stage 5 and I run out of skill far before it does so I'm maybe over biked but saying that, I had a Segment before that and sometimes thought I'd like a bit more travel so maybe not? I have a rigid Whippet for tamer stuff so think I'm just about covered.
Someone was making the assertion that being "overbiked" will make trails easier, I make the polar opposite claim, being overbiked for the terrain not only makes it harder, but also makes it less fun and harder work than it need be, hence why being overbiked makes no sense to me, except if I refer back to an earlier point I made, that there's illogical "safety in plushness".
edit. yes you'd need unlimited funds for the perfect bike for every ride, which isn't practical for most. this is where I really see ebikes bridging the gap since they really are more versatile.
It's just about fun, isn't it?
I don't think there's any such thing as over or under biked. For me at least.
My current bike is a hardtail and it's a shed-load of fun. I'm riding the same stuff I always have, XC to enduro to DH, and I'm having a great time. Maybe I'm slower, maybe I spend more time hanging on for dear life but it's still fun. That would suggest that being 'under biked' isn't a thing (for me).
When I've had big bouncy bikes, on the same type of trails, I've also had fun. Some of the bumps vanished, so I went a bit quicker and it was swoopier and flowier. I could concentrate on things like cornering and jumping more. It was still a shed-load of fun, just different. I guess I've occasionally wanted a slightly more spritely bike on XC stuff but, really, I was still having a great time. So I don't think I could apply the term 'overbiked' either.
I guess some bikes are more fun than others on certain trails. A fat bike will be sluggish on the road and a cross bike might feel like it's out to get you on a DH track. But that's a question of having the 'wrong' bike, rather than being over or underbiked.
Bikes are good.